Metallica Superthread -All Metallica discussion goes in here

D.Q · 14-08-2014 1:55am

so hes a time travelling poet? that travelled to 2003, and then back to the 80s to write ajfa?

Bang_Bang · 14-08-2014 8:10am

D.Q wrote: »

so hes a time travelling poet? that travelled to 2003, and then back to the 80s to write ajfa?

The point is that his lyrics are made up of what he see's going on around him.

deeks · 14-08-2014 8:20am

Everytime someone calls James "Papa Het" I die a little inside.

Bang_Bang · 14-08-2014 8:22am

deeks wrote: »

Everytime someone calls James "Papa Het" I die a little inside.

He calls himself that. He started it.

jack presley · 14-08-2014 8:26am

Bang_Bang wrote: »

He calls himself that. He started it.

Rule number one of knicknames - you're not allowed give yourself a knickname.

deeks · 14-08-2014 8:32am

Bang_Bang wrote: »

He calls himself that. He started it.

That makes it way worse if you ask me!!!!

Bang_Bang · 14-08-2014 8:42am

deeks wrote: »

That makes it way worse if you ask me!!!!

I'm on both his twitter accounts, one is Papa_Het and the other is James Hetfield (Papa_Het)

scudzilla · 14-08-2014 9:28pm

Bang_Bang wrote: »

I'm on both his twitter accounts, one is Papa_Het and the other is James Hetfield (Papa_Het)

I don't think they're him, he had an Instagram account (papa_het) and it was 100% him, had a few good chats with him, then it got out that it was him and he was inundated with clowns, he stopped posting after having some issues (stalker??)

Bang_Bang · 14-08-2014 9:44pm

scudzilla wrote: »

I don't think they're him, he had an Instagram account (papa_het) and it was 100% him, had a few good chats with him, then it got out that it was him and he was inundated with clowns, he stopped posting after having some issues (stalker??)

I had his original account all verified by twitter, he replied to me a few times, but he's a recluse, he stopped posting this year. The last question I asked him was "where was the EET FUK guitar from 1989".

Nomis21 · 14-08-2014 9:57pm

I drove one of the trucks on Metallica's 2004 tour of Europe for two months.

I worked for many musicians over the years but Metallica were the the best for a good reason. They always used two complete sets of crew and equipment so that nothing was ever left to chance. Each of the two crews only worked every other gig and had up to a week of between gigs and all time fully paid. No other band I know does this. Metallica look after their crew like no one else, regardless of the expense of hiring twice as many bodies and equipment.

Just thought you'de like to know that.

BTW The worst is Beyoncé. No nights off between gigs, crew continually stressed and gigs cancelled due to nervous breakdowns and trucks arriving late.

slavetothegrind · 15-08-2014 12:01am

great to have you here, now spill!!!!

not dirt. just realities of touring work.

Sounds like professionalism is not as rife in the business as we are lead to believe!

the sheer logistics of a metallica tour in 2004 are staggering, this stuff i find really interesting, i am a discovery channel kind of person.

a show all about the logistics of a tour or a who shagged who? no contest, show me the mechanix ( see what i did there?)

Nomis21 · 15-08-2014 1:16am

I only know about the tour bus and truck driving side of the tour. Like every other industry you either have to know someone in the business or work your way up helping out on long drives as an extra driver. Or you can just get lucky like I was: One day I called the truck company who do the trucking for musicians, Trans Am. They said they don't need anyone but they had a big tour going out and if I turned up just in case something went wrong, they would give me 50 quid to hang around till all the trucks left the yard.

Sure enough one of the drivers fell off a truck and broke his leg and I was told to drive to Copenhagen with a truck. Metallica always start their tours in Denmark for obvious reasons but I didn't even know it was Metallica until I got to start driving. I met other drivers on the way who told me a bit about how it all works and on the first night in Denmark I was very privileged to find myself amongst an audience of just a handful of people in one of the side rooms in the Copenhagen stadium listening to Metallica rehearse their opening set.

The band are treated like Gods. No one goes anywhere near them except their security staff who all had the appearance of very big and ugly Hells Angels. Metallica don't even travel in the same limousines together for insurance reasons and minutes before they enter the backstage we are all warned to keep clear of their entrance and route to the dressing rooms. I did get to meet the support bands though, Slipknot and Lost Prophets.

About getting laid... There are a few female staff on the tour, mostly in make up, wardrobe and merchandise but not enough to go round the predominantly male crew. But that proved not to be a problem. I was getting my haircut in Munich, Germany, and told the girl cutting my hair why I was in town and she said she wanted to quit her job and travel with me. I told her to keep her job and I just got her in the backstage for a night.

Working on a tour is highly disciplined, professional and well paid. It's important to work well as a team and the hours are long and the responsibility high. One truck not making it can mean a cancelled show. It's work hard, play hard and everyone is as good as their last f**k up, which will always be remembered and if its bad enough F**k up, you'll never work again. Make it for ten years and you can retire to Florida on the money you make and hear a lot of good (and sometimes crap) music. There is a fantastic atmosphere in the backstage of a big gig that has to be experienced to understand why it becomes so addictive.

slavetothegrind · 15-08-2014 9:44am

cheers Nomis! Thanks for that!

Everglown2 · 19-08-2014 9:01pm

Nice clips!!

Bang_Bang · 21-08-2014 9:22am

scudzilla wrote: »

I don't think they're him, he had an Instagram account (papa_het) and it was 100% him, had a few good chats with him, then it got out that it was him and he was inundated with clowns, he stopped posting after having some issues (stalker??)

This is his twitter account and it's 100% him, it's linked to Metallica.com and he's back posting from the gigs again. He is a bit reclusive, he may post a few bits here and there, and then he won't post for months. Or else he will post from the Papa_Het account

Bang_Bang · 22-08-2014 2:40pm

Scary to think cliff spent so little time in the band compared to Jason and Rob:eek: Rob will outpass Jason soon but he will never be remembered as a real member of Metallica IMO, their on the downward spiral now, the fire in the belly is well gone these days and he was never a part of their savage albums. DM is ok but hetfield tends to shout too much instead of sing on it.

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scudzilla · 22-08-2014 8:54pm

Bang_Bang wrote: »

Scary to think cliff spent so little time in the band compared to Jason and Rob:eek: Rob will outpass Jason soon but he will never be remembered as a real member of Metallica IMO, their on the downward spiral now, the fire in the belly is well gone these days and he was never a part of their savage albums. DM is ok but hetfield tends to shout too much instead of sing on it.

Rob has been in the band for 11yrs now and recorded 1 studio album, that's just disgraceful

lord lucan · 22-08-2014 11:27pm

briany wrote: »

There's a discussion going on @ MetallicaBB about the alternative version of I disappear that got leaked onto Napster in 2000. Supposedly you can't find it online anywhere now. I've never heard it but supposedly it was a demo that had the dynamics flipped (heavier chorus/softer verse). Strange when you consider that it was all over the Internet at one time, and it even had radio play.

A bit late but this appears to be the one.

https://soundcloud.com/whiplashedbmc/i-disappear-napster-era-leak

KH25 · 23-08-2014 9:20am

lord lucan wrote: »

A bit late but this appears to be the one.

https://soundcloud.com/whiplashedbmc/i-disappear-napster-era-leak

Interesting. I think the final version is better. Love the song. Would have loved to hear an album from that time.

Bang_Bang · 23-08-2014 2:11pm

scudzilla wrote: »

Rob has been in the band for 11yrs now and recorded 1 studio album, that's just disgraceful

If Metallica played like this again I'd be happy camper. Not even Rob gets to experience the absolute aggression and fierceness of this EVER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gtf5-PjqRg

Bang_Bang · 23-08-2014 5:01pm

lord lucan wrote: »

A bit late but this appears to be the one.

https://soundcloud.com/whiplashedbmc/i-disappear-napster-era-leak

Shíte isn't it? Metallica in their coke and hookers phase, worst phase ever.

briany · 23-08-2014 10:31pm

Listening to Lords of Summer. It's OK, it's catchy enough, but is this what we have to look forward to for the rest of Metallica's career? Fairly generic cookie-cutter riff-O-rama thrash albums? It's not even a throwback at this stage because the technicality of RtL through AJFA is missing. Have they given up pushing any kind of envelope? If Metallica aren't interested in doing anything new-sounding then why even bother put out a new album?

Bang_Bang · 24-08-2014 12:51am

briany wrote: »

Listening to Lords of Summer. It's OK, it's catchy enough, but is this what we have to look forward to for the rest of Metallica's career? Fairly generic cookie-cutter riff-O-rama thrash albums? It's not even a throwback at this stage because the technicality of RtL through AJFA is missing. Have they given up pushing any kind of envelope? If Metallica aren't interested in doing anything new-sounding then why even bother put out a new album?

AJFA was complicated, even the JFA, soundtrack, Hetfield was a poet on that album. Regardless, of the omissions in later years by Pantera, Lars and James. I believe pantera, Iron Maiden were píssed off at Lars for not adding the bass to justice. They all admit this these days.

hidinginthebush · 24-08-2014 1:09am

Bang_Bang wrote: »

AJFA was complicated, even the JFA, soundtrack, Hetfield was a poet on that album. Regardless, of the omissions in later years by Pantera, Lars and James. I believe pantera, Iron Maiden were píssed off at Lars for not adding the bass to justice. They all admit this these days.

Why were pantera and maiden pissed at lars for not adding bass to justice?

Bang_Bang · 24-08-2014 12:04pm

hidinginthebush wrote: »

Why were pantera and maiden pissed at lars for not adding bass to justice?

Apparently Lars showed AJFA to Pantera and Iron Maiden and AC/DC on the damage tour, monsters of rock. They were still touring and going in and out of the studios, in a book that the guy from Pantera wrote apparently theres a few lines in there that they (Iron Maiden, AC/DC and Pantera ) all listened to AJFA and asked Lars where the bass was? Are you going to release it like that?, as the story goes, "we did that to píss Jason off". Apparently James wanted Jason out after the Japan tour of '86, but Lars told James that there was "no way we could train up a new bass player, so you'll have to just live with it" Apparently Lars took over running of the band after Cliff died.

But I haven't read the book myself so I don't know if it's true or not. Apparently AJFA was almost finished or half written when Cliff died and he actually doesn't get enough credit on AJFA. James wrote all Jasons bass parts too after cliff died. Actually if you listen to the AJFA demos on youtube James sounded like he did on the Puppets album, what the feck happened his voice between the demo in early '87 and recording I'll never know? What's also amazing is that these lads had 4 brilliant albums under their belts at the age of 25.

Just listen below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhTrvIs7aas

hidinginthebush · 24-08-2014 11:48pm

Now for something completely different...

Seems kirk recently got his hands on some rock n roll history. Peter Greens, and subsequently Gary Moores 1959 les Paul.

Guitarists among us will know that Peters work on this guitar has got to be one of the most desirable guitar tones in history. What's better is kirk is actually playing it live. Great to see something like this getting the proper usage, and not being hung on some collectors wall to never be played.

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/vintage-les-pauls/306838-kirk-hammet-greeny.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13c1CeelzH4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCubzrbsTZY

slavetothegrind · 25-08-2014 10:53pm

thanks for that, of great interest and i am happy he has it, and is gigging it! the way it always lived!

might even hear it on the new album!

Hard to imagine him picking up his emg equipped axes after that and being happy!!!!!

Those lads have been through the search for tone more than anyone with the resources they have, be interesting to hear their opinions after all these years and amps etc.

hidinginthebush · 26-08-2014 1:48am

It's really great to see it getting playing again, from what I can see it was in private hands since 2006, when Gary Moore sold it (link). I really am thrilled to see it getting played again, I really can't say enough how much I love Green's tone during his time in Fleetwood Mac.

I wonder how much Kirk payed for it? Apparently when it went on sale back in '06 the asking price was $2 mil! I} can't find what it went for at the moment though, apparently Jimi's woodstock strat went for less than that (£200k in 1990, though it's rumored it went for over $2mil when sold to Paul Allen), so I doubt it went for that amount in the end, considering Green is less well known than Jimi, and that Strat itself is so iconic.

Edit... What the hell, here's more peter green in his fleetwood mac days, that man could play!! I always think it's such a loss that fleetwood are remembered for their rumors style music when they were cranking out stuff like this previously...