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jack presley

Kess73 wrote: »

jack presley wrote: »

All this talk of black album b-sides and demos has me reminiscing now.

Anyone remember the Unforgiven single? So What was one of the b-sides and Metallica thought it would be nice to stick a big sticker across the front with "this song contains....." and it went on to list all the swear words and the number of times they were said in the song

I was only 16 at the time and didn't know about the song or the sticker and on the weekend it came out my folks were heading into town so I gave them the couple of quid and asked then to pop into HMV and pick up a copy for me. I can only imagine that they didn't see the sticker until after they bought it as I don't think they would have gone to the counter with it had they seen it. Either way it was a very awkward handover when they got home

I think that was only on the 7 inch and cassette versions of the single. The 12 inch version did not have the sticker (I was sad enough to dig out the 12 inch version to check for the sticker after reading your post ).

Maybe it was only some pressings. I has the 12" version as there were 3 b-sides and you wouldn't get 3 on a 7".

There must have been a few versions as I did a google search and while there is one with a sticker, the wording is different to what was on mine

Kess73

Malice wrote: »

To me remastering implies producing a more polished product than the original. I've always loved the sound of that album and can't see, even now, how a remastering would improve it.

I thought the same thing about Ten until I heard the reissue. It all boils down to how good a job gets done when an album gets remastered and/or remixed imho. Quite often the sound quality is not much better if at all and it is simply the volume levels that are put up.


But a really good and detailed remastering job, as was done to Ten, can really improve how even an album with a slick production sounds.

I have said it before in this thread, but Brendan O' Brien is a producer that I would love to see getting involved with Metallica. Even on albums he produced where the music itself is not that good, how it sounds is always top notch. Plus he is the kind that can (and does) point out where things could be changed to improve sound etc.

If the likes of Springsteen, Pearl Jam, AC/DC, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden etc are willing to take his advice onboard, then why not Metallica.

If I was in Metallica, I would get him involved in the reissue of a classic album. Get him to produce and mix the reissue, listen to what he says in relation to the music etc. Then listen to the finished article and use the process to see if they could work with him on new material.

hidinginthebush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCja8H37o3Y

Sounds pretty cool, different alright

Acidflash

jack presley wrote: »

Anyone remember the Unforgiven single? So What was one of the b-sides and Metallica thought it would be nice to stick a big sticker across the front with "this song contains....." and it went on to list all the swear words and the number of times they were said in the song

Don't know about the Unforgiven however Sad But True had it, have a copy of the cassette single at home!

Malice

Kess73 wrote: »

I thought the same thing about Ten until I heard the reissue. It all boils down to how good a job gets done when an album gets remastered and/or remixed imho. Quite often the sound quality is not much better if at all and it is simply the volume levels that are put up.


But a really good and detailed remastering job, as was done to Ten, can really improve how even an album with a slick production sounds.

I have said it before in this thread, but Brendan O' Brien is a producer that I would love to see getting involved with Metallica. Even on albums he produced where the music itself is not that good, how it sounds is always top notch. Plus he is the kind that can (and does) point out where things could be changed to improve sound etc.

If the likes of Springsteen, Pearl Jam, AC/DC, Rage Against The Machine, Soundgarden etc are willing to take his advice onboard, then why not Metallica.

If I was in Metallica, I would get him involved in the reissue of a classic album. Get him to produce and mix the reissue, listen to what he says in relation to the music etc. Then listen to the finished article and use the process to see if they could work with him on new material.

If any Metallica album is getting remastered then it has to be Justice For All. Listening to it with non-squelchy drums and audible bass would be brilliant.

Kess73

Malice wrote: »

If any Metallica album is getting remastered then it has to be Justice For All. Listening to it with non-squelchy drums and audible bass would be brilliant.

AJFA will never get a proper remaster and remix job done to it imho. I think of all the Metallica albums out there, that one has the least chance of a top class producer being let at it. I just don't think an ego or two would allow that particular album to be changed.

Which is a shame as it could be twice the album it is, if it were to be done right.

seachto7

I still have the cassette single to Sad But True somewhere........

Kess73

seachto7 wrote: »

I still have the cassette single to Sad But True somewhere........

Still have my Jump In The Fire single from some 27 years ago.

After the singles from the Black album I totally stopped buying Metallica singles. Seems that album was the end of me buying their singles for some reason so Sad But True was the last Metallica single I bought.

Mental Mickey

I've only ever bought one Metallica single: Until It Sleeps on CD.

jack presley

Kess73 wrote: »

seachto7 wrote: »

I still have the cassette single to Sad But True somewhere........

Still have my Jump In The Fire single from some 27 years ago.

After the singles from the Black album I totally stopped buying Metallica singles. Seems that album was the end of me buying their singles for some reason so Sad But True was the last Metallica single I bought.

Jump in the fire with the 'live' b-sides eh?

Kess73

jack presley wrote: »

Jump in the fire with the 'live' b-sides eh?

Yeah. As authentically live as Type O Negative's Origin Of The Feces album.



I think the most recent non album Metallica release I bought was the Live at Grimey's EP (which is excellent), but the singles I lost interest in, which is odd as I continued to buy singles from other metal bands right up to now.

Motley Crue

Zerroth wrote: »

Don't Tread On Me? :P

I had to double check this, and yes, we have a winner - this information was revealed in an April 2001 interview with Playboy magazine,where Hetfield stated: "There are some songs on there I don't like. 'Don't Tread on Me', probably not one of my favorite songs musically."

That interview didn't do the band any favours at the time

But I would imagine he is not likely to have changed his mind. This is the thing about performing entire albums, you have to perform songs that you might not have played since you recorded them over 20 years ago - it was a different time, you were a different person, and that sound probably doesn't represent something you like. Well tough ****, James has earned enough money from the Black album, he can suffer a few bars of Don't Thread On Me

lord lucan

Kess73 wrote: »

Still have my Jump In The Fire single from some 27 years ago.

After the singles from the Black album I totally stopped buying Metallica singles. Seems that album was the end of me buying their singles for some reason so Sad But True was the last Metallica single I bought.

Have the JITF cassette single myself somewhere.:)

I bought all the singles from TBA,most on CD and a couple of vinyl. The Roam 12" gate-fold in particular was class. They all had great extras,demo's with just Lars and James,James doing his Wah Na Na stuff all over them in the absence of lyrics. One of them,can't remember which,had Harvester live from Tushino Airfield,Moscow where they forgot to play a whole verse iirc.:D

Have the SBT cassette single too but there was no sticker that i can remember on mine.

I continued buying singles into the Load era but then lost interest. I think the last one i ever bought was off of Garage Inc because it had the Merycful Fate Medley live from the Roseland Ballroom as a B-side.

lord lucan

Motley Crue wrote: »

Well tough ****, James has earned enough money from the Black album, he can suffer a few bars of Don't Thread On Me

Try getting him to play Escape!:pac:

seachto7

I also have Jump in the Fire on casette somewhere, real dodgy cover to it.
The best cover I saw them have was the one with Am I Evil on it, and Blitzkrieg. What song was that, was it a single? A single I think.
I remember a friend of a friend had a poster of it on the wall, it was a class poster.....

jack presley

seachto7 wrote: »

I also have Jump in the Fire on casette somewhere, real dodgy cover to it.
The best cover I saw them have was the one with Am I Evil on it, and Blitzkrieg. What song was that, was it a single? A single I think.
I remember a friend of a friend had a poster of it on the wall, it was a class poster.....

Creeping death. I had that 12" and it was signed by the band on the day they played the SFX in '86. Cliff signed it 'drugs'. Unfortunately it was lost along with the rest of my vinyl in the great move in '03

Motley Crue

lord lucan wrote: »

Try getting him to play Escape!:pac:

I'm almost sure they tried that, in Glasgow in 2009 before Trapped Under Ice, James just gave them this cold look and said "don't even think about it"

I guess, with that song, the wounds have not healed. Never ask Hetfield to change his music for anything.....

lord lucan

viadah wrote: »

http://gunshyassassin.com/news/kids-do-the-cutest-things-8-year-olds-cover-metallica/#more-17408

Stomps all over Lulu. Better vox too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CPHnZV0K-k

The band have seen the video and sent this video message to them.

LH Pathe

So the Gurgaon big 4 show had to be abandoned because the barrier n equipment was totalled.. can I say typical metallica fans? course I fùcking can; they were the only ones there ^^

was it to be a big 4 show at all? Even scouring for news source n blogs, nevermind forums all I see is metallica as if a standalone show; no support. Sooner that shìte is wrapped up the better anyhow, embarrasing to play understudy to that

/hard to discern such is metallihype regardless but seems it was not big 4?? Delhi psuedo metal fans have the right idea. show metallica what it means to really thrash, long before they got near their equipment. seems safety precautions were very much in effect

lord lucan

The India shows were standalone Metallica shows. The last Big 4 show was Yankee Stadium in September,no more planned so far.

LH Pathe

So no more then? Oh pls god help me-eee.. let there be no more..

lord lucan

Motley Crue wrote: »

I'm almost sure they tried that, in Glasgow in 2009 before Trapped Under Ice, James just gave them this cold look and said "don't even think about it"

I guess, with that song, the wounds have not healed. Never ask Hetfield to change his music for anything.....

Kirk and Lars regularly wind up James about it. Melbourne last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUo-lcHYkgg

Wooden Jesus

Motley Crue wrote: »

I had to double check this, and yes, we have a winner - this information was revealed in an April 2001 interview with Playboy magazine,where Hetfield stated: "There are some songs on there I don't like. 'Don't Tread on Me', probably not one of my favorite songs musically."

That interview didn't do the band any favours at the time

But I would imagine he is not likely to have changed his mind. This is the thing about performing entire albums, you have to perform songs that you might not have played since you recorded them over 20 years ago - it was a different time, you were a different person, and that sound probably doesn't represent something you like. Well tough ****, James has earned enough money from the Black album, he can suffer a few bars of Don't Thread On Me

Hearing that song live is one of the only reasons i would head over and see them at download. Now my fear is that they will absolutely butcher it live

Motley Crue

Wooden Jesus wrote: »

Hearing that song live is one of the only reasons i would head over and see them at download. Now my fear is that they will absolutely butcher it live

I reckon they will try their best, but just don't expect them to be smiling through it:D

Mental Mickey

Wooden Jesus wrote: »

Hearing that song live is one of the only reasons i would head over and see them at download. Now my fear is that they will absolutely butcher it live

No they won't. They're far too professional to do that to one of their songs.

PTH2009

I can see Metallica playing an Irish show in the summer of 2012. Rumours were the marquee in cork but i think it will be the RDS or praying The o2

Motley Crue

Mental Mickey wrote: »

No they won't. They're far too professional to do that to one of their songs.

We're talking about the same band, right?:p

Mental Mickey

PTH2009 wrote: »

I can see Metallica playing an Irish show in the summer of 2012. Rumours were the marquee in cork but i think it will be the RDS or praying The o2

Source?

Mental Mickey

Motley Crue wrote: »

We're talking about the same band, right?:p

Eh yeah.........................

devildriver

PTH2009 wrote: »

I can see Metallica playing an Irish show in the summer of 2012. Rumours were the marquee in cork but i think it will be the RDS or praying The o2

Marquee is way too small for a Metallica gig. I think the only viable venue outside of Dublin or Belfast would be Thomond Park in Limerick but that might be a bit of a stretch as capacity is 26000.

Malice

I know it's probably been covered somewhere on this thread but why does Hetfield hate Escape? Sure it's not the best song they've ever done but it's not that bad. I've read some vague reports about the song being written as a typical radio-friendly unit shifter but it wasn't even released as a single was it?

hidinginthebush

All I've seen on it from googling other forums is that it wasforced by the producer to be a radio friendly track. Never seen a quote from the man himself and anyone else from the band saying the same though, the closest I've seen is "we all know James hates 'Escape'".

Kess73

Malice wrote: »

I know it's probably been covered somewhere on this thread but why does Hetfield hate Escape? Sure it's not the best song they've ever done but it's not that bad. I've read some vague reports about the song being written as a typical radio-friendly unit shifter but it wasn't even released as a single was it?

The most common story is that he hates the song as it was written for radio. But seeing as they have done that quite a few times since then I reckon that excuse can be discounted.

My own theory, and that of many folk, is that the lyrics are not about an escaped prisoner as some of the band have claimed in the past, but that it is something much more personal to Hetfield. Maybe he associates the song with someone or whatever.

Shame it does not get played though as I reckon it would be an awesome live song.

Mental Mickey

devildriver wrote: »

Marquee is way too small for a Metallica gig. I think the only viable venue outside of Dublin or Belfast would be Thomond Park in Limerick but that might be a bit of a stretch as capacity is 26000.

Not if they do a "Download Ireland" thingy, and bring, say, half a dozen bands over....? Would prefer Dublin though.

lord lucan

Kess73 wrote: »

The most common story is that he hates the song as it was written for radio. But seeing as they have done that quite a few times since then I reckon that excuse can be discounted.

I think it's the fact they were forced to record and put it on RTL by the label that grates. They were happy with how RTL stood when finished but the label wanted something a bit more radio friendly. Being a young band recording only their second album they bowed to the label and Escape made it onto RTL. I think the principle more than the song is what bothers James.

They regularly talk about how they do what they want and won't do what they're told or expected. Escape represents the one time they did and i think that's why he doesn't like it. I like the song,not a classic but a decent tune.

What followed later with TBA was writing the way they wanted,a change of style that they(and Bob Rock to some degree) dictated.

Kess73

lord lucan wrote: »

I think it's the fact they were forced to record and put it on RTL by the label that grates. They were happy with how RTL stood when finished but the label wanted something a bit more radio friendly. Being a young band recording only their second album they bowed to the label and Escape made it onto RTL. I think the principle more than the song is what bothers James.

They regularly talk about how they do what they want and won't do what they're told or expected. Escape represents the one time they did and i think that's why he doesn't like it. I like the song,not a classic but a decent tune.

What followed later with TBA was writing the way they wanted,a change of style that they(and Bob Rock to some degree) dictated.

They had to bow to the label on the first album as well, in that the label was not happy with the album title and cover art and the band had to change both.

But we don't see them snubbing that material on principle, nor were the Mustaine penned songs snubbed on pronciple.

lord lucan

Kess73 wrote: »

They had to bow to the label on the first album as well, in that the label was not happy with the album title and cover art and the band had to change both.

But we don't see them snubbing that material on principle, nor were the Mustaine penned songs snubbed on pronciple.

I'd be of the opinion that it would be easier to let something like cover art slide in comparison to the music.Most artists tend to get a bit protective about their music and don't enjoy being told what to do with it. In saying that,Metal Up Your Ass with the infamous cover would have been savage!:)

I've always figured that the Mustaine penned tunes were still Metallica tunes,ie. the others all had influence in the writing/performing end of it so it was easier to push on with them and they weren't seen as relics of the past or a different era.

jack presley

lord lucan wrote: »

I think it's the fact they were forced to record and put it on RTL by the label that grates. They were happy with how RTL stood when finished but the label wanted something a bit more radio friendly..

So was RTL only originally meant to be 7 songs long or was Escape added on instead of something?

Motley Crue

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Eh yeah.........................

Sorry mate, I was just taking a dig at Metallica, you know because of the whole fandom thing about the band destroying their own material - especially when it comes to the argument of Ulrich not playing it properly

I think the sarcasm must have been lost, apologises

jack presley wrote: »

So was RTL only originally meant to be 7 songs long or was Escape added on instead of something?

Apparently some idiot felt Escape was a radio friendly song, which is absurd, because it's not like they even tried to market it or you get collectors trading "Escape Radio Promo" Vinyl's or something

I think that whole excuse is bull**** personally, and there is another, maybe even more personal reason why James didn't like Escape....seems very bizzare...

Actually, Metallica are probably too embarrassed too play Escape nowadays anyway, not least of all since Jamie Jasta decided to cover it....another reason to loathe Hatebreed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iinETBKiLqs

lord lucan

With all this talk about Escape i think i'm gonna head down to Paddy Powers and put money on them busting it out at one of the 4 Fillmore shows. It'd be just be the sort of thing they'd do.

Motley Crue

lord lucan wrote: »

With all this talk about Escape i think i'm gonna head down to Paddy Powers and put money on them busting it out at one of the 4 Fillmore shows. It'd be just be the sort of thing they'd do.

Do you reckon they'd take a bet on that? Good odds?;)

StaticAge11

Apparently they are playing in Paris on the 12th of May, due to be announced this week.

Mental Mickey

StaticAge11 wrote: »

Apparently they are playing in Paris on the 12th of May, due to be announced this week.

Just Metallica or the Big 4???

StaticAge11

Site says Metallica and special guests

http://www.concertfrance.com/concert-stade-de-france.htm

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150372084412592&set=a.383229717591.169786.200467627591&type=1&theater

Mental Mickey

StaticAge11 wrote: »

Site says Metallica and special guests

http://www.concertfrance.com/concert-stade-de-france.htm

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150372084412592&set=a.383229717591.169786.200467627591&type=1&theater

My French is crap:D. Where does it say special guests?

StaticAge11

Google translate? :P Thats what I did.

On the Facebook link it says special guests I think. But that tagline is standard for all big concerts I guess

jack presley

I wonder are they going to continue the Big 4 thing. They're hardly going to do it every tour from now on are they?

lord lucan

jack presley wrote: »

I wonder are they going to continue the Big 4 thing. They're hardly going to do it every tour from now on are they?

I doubt it'll be the Big 4. They've done 2 runs through Europe with it so i'd say they'll leave it be. The only other place i could see them doing another Big 4 run would be through South America and another couple of dates in North America.

Motley Crue

This looks very good for an Irish Metallica date

I don't think I can bring myself to attend all three days of Download next year, I mean Metallica and Sabbath are obviously fine, and we're likely to get an array that includes Five Finger Death Punch, Sepultura (because they never stop touring) and a couple of other bands with recent releases...

Having said that, the fact the Prodigy are playing Download has REALLY REALLY ruined it for me - mainly due to the kind of fans it will attract and also because I hate that band

StaticAge11

I'd say if they do play, it will be near Download. And the support bill will include Machine Head and Trivium. Those 2 bands always hit Ireland on their tours, and both look really likely for Download (They are supporting Sabbath at other festivals)

Maybe I am just getting my hopes up for something similar to the 2009 Marlay gig. But this is just a prediction, I am not confident enough to go down to Paddy Power with it though :P