The Iceland Volcano Thread

rebel girl 15

alibabba wrote: »

The Royal Navy are been drafted in the rescue the brits stranded abroard, source sky news.

So i can expect a statement any time soon from the Irish Government that they are launching the complete fleet of LEs !

One of the fleet is on standby in Dublin to transport any sick children that need operations in the UK, don't know about the rest of the fleet

LookingFor

At what altitude does the plume have to eject to to cause problems for aircraft down here? With the lower plume has the tap effectively been turned off?

ann_likes_cake

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

One of the fleet is on standby in Dublin to transport any sick children that need operations in the UK, don't know about the rest of the fleet

I think I read that the LE Ciara is waiting near Loop Head in case it is required for search and rescue.

We only have 8 in service, not sure where the other 6 are.

maquiladora

LookingFor wrote: »

At what altitude does the plume have to eject to to cause problems for aircraft down here? With the lower plume has the tap effectively been turned off?

If the plume is lower then I think most of the ash would just fall into the sea and not be carried so far.

rebel girl 15

ann_likes_cake wrote: »

I think I read that the LE Ciara is waiting near Loop Head in case it is required for search and rescue.

We only have 8 in service, not sure where the other 6 are.

Yep, LE Ciara is providing Search and Rescue cover 50 nautical miles of the west coast - LE Roisin is in the Irish Sea in case it is called to Dublin to transport patients to the UK

Su Campu

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Yep, LE Ciara is providing Search and Rescue cover 50 nautical miles of the west coast - LE Roisin is in the Irish Sea in case it is called to Dublin to transport patients to the UK

Hey, be careful there, a guy got imprisoned last week for giving out the locations of a ship!

rebel girl 15

Su Campu wrote: »

Hey, be careful there, a guy got imprisoned last week for giving out the locations of a ship!

I put all blame on Tim Vaughan - he put it on a National newspaper this morning!

LookingFor

BA is saying a visual inspection revealed no damage on their test flight yesterday. They're doing a technical analysis now.

On the other hand, Nato has said 'several' F-16 fighter jets have suffered engine damage patrolling over Europe:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOf6EkFL_a2lZK_hHNlDWEig3uXwD9F63E6G4

Is there something about military engines that might exacerbate the problem vs commercial jets?

Min

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually test flights through British and Irish air space have concluded that currently it is very dangerous over us.
The ash elsewhere over Europe is dispersing nicely but we are still in a northerly bringing more of it down.

peasant wrote: »

Would you have a source for that?

I heard what Black Briar posted on Morning Ireland on Radio 1 this morning.

lucernarian

peasant wrote: »

Would you have a source for that?

I'm sure Black Briar doesn't need me answering questions for him but I felt compelled to post a piece from BBC news this morning:

BBC wrote:

However, a Met Office plane encountered dangerous levels of ash when it went through the ash cloud on Sunday.

Website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8628878.stm Near the bottom of the article.

LookingFor

Sky had a guy on from the UK Met office explaining how they're determining the risk.

He was explaining that they don't simply predict, but do also measure. They use LIDAR to 'see' the layers of ash, and have also been running their own flights taking samples. He says these measurements show a number of layers of ash at different altitudes and are roughly in line with the predicted flow of the dust.

maquiladora

Ash plume still looks fairly low on the webcam but the tremors have picked up again in some locations.

alibabba

LookingFor wrote: »

BA is saying a visual inspection revealed no damage on their test flight yesterday. They're doing a technical analysis now.

On the other hand, Nato has said 'several' F-16 fighter jets have suffered engine damage patrolling over Europe:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOf6EkFL_a2lZK_hHNlDWEig3uXwD9F63E6G4

Is there something about military engines that might exacerbate the problem vs commercial jets?

Ya ... money
BA would look at it wrt airlines losing money
Nato would look at it wrt safety.

John mac

Found a nice photo Before eruption from here

pauldry

Is this a live link for volcano. dont know coz me computers a bit crap but thats the unpronouncable place where it is isnt it
http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

maquiladora

From Reuters, more good news (I think?)

LAVA SEEN AT ICELANDIC VOLCANO, ASH PRODUCTION DIMINISHING - METEOROLOGICAL OFFICE

maquiladora

pauldry wrote: »

Is this a live link for volcano. dont know coz me computers a bit crap but thats the unpronouncable place where it is isnt it
http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

Yep, thats live.

John mac

Light aircraft just flew over me, about 10,000 feet

Iancar29

British Royal Navy to be used to bring stranded Brits home from europe....you would think they would of this straight away.

LOokin at the live feed of the volcano now, doesnt look so" angry "2day.

John mac

Just gone over again heading west this time, Twin engined,


couldn't make out any markings though.

LookingFor

Good VAAC forecast:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271676889.png

Notes that eruption has virtually ceased, and you see the plume 'stopped' in their forecasts now, with the ash risk area shrinking down from iceland.

gothwalk

We had a number of light aircraft going over Maynooth during the weekend - all propeller, though, no jets. As I understand it, propeller planes are safer, and in any case, many of them don't go high enough to really be in danger.

Deep Easterly

Head of Aviation at met eireann on the radio just after one said things should start settling down from today onwards. Although he pointed out that the ash cloud could still be hanging around the North Atlantic for the next couple of days.

maquiladora

Not sure how significant it is but the tremors being recorded at Eystriskogar ( south of and about halfway between Eyjafjallajökull and Katla) now haven't been at this level since 4 days ago.

http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html

Ash plume still looks pretty much the same all morning though.

alibabba

Who gives the nod for Europe to evacuate ?

maquiladora

14:03 Irish airspace could be clear by tomorrow evening or Wednesday morning.

The Aviation Division at Met Éireann says that the fact that the volcano has stopped emitting ash, combined with prevailing meteorological conditions, means that the skies could clear sooner than originally thought.



http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0419/travelupdates.html

Webmonkey

Excellent, good chances so things clear by Thursday!

maquiladora

Webmonkey wrote: »

Excellent, good chances so things clear by Thursday!

Yep, fingers crossed.

Mental Mickey

Wooohoooo

Figuramatyi

Katla tremors highest since 14th April now:
http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html

Also, small one is still smoking, it was almos stopped in the morning, a little bit stronger now:
http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

DOCARCH

Figuramatyi wrote: »

Also, small one is still smoking, it was almos stopped in the morning, a little bit stronger now.

Looks like mainly steam atm, rather than ash.

Figuramatyi

DOCARCH wrote: »

Looks like mainly steam atm, rather than ash.

If you can tell that from a webcam, you're no short of a genius

andrew

Am I the only one who kinda wants to see Katla go up? I mean, I know it'd be **** and all in terms of the economy with regard to aviation, but I bet it'd be pretty spectacular!

Webmonkey

andrew wrote: »

Am I the only one who kinda wants to see Katla go up? I mean, I know it'd be **** and all in terms of the economy with regard to aviation, but I bet it'd be pretty spectacular!

I want to get home first

nacho libre

andrew wrote: »

Am I the only one who kinda wants to see Katla go up? I mean, I know it'd be **** and all in terms of the economy with regard to aviation, but I bet it'd be pretty spectacular!

you're brave;)

alibabba

andrew wrote: »

Am I the only one who kinda wants to see Katla go up? I mean, I know it'd be **** and all in terms of the economy with regard to aviation, but I bet it'd be pretty spectacular!

Ya ... and how about we then use your remains as the Sacrificial gift to the gods to quieten them down again

Elmo5

You aren't alone Andrew, I think it would be a pretty amazing thing to witness!

That said though, I would be pretty unaffected in terms of trying to leave or get back to the country so it's easy for me to say!

DOCARCH

Figuramatyi wrote: »

If you can tell that from a webcam, you're no short of a genius

Well, it's fairly easy. Steam looks white. Ash looks dark/black.

Figuramatyi

DOCARCH wrote: »

Well, it's fairly easy. Steam looks white. Ash looks dark/black.

Err... no
Ash can be white too...

DOCARCH

Figuramatyi wrote: »

Err... no
Ash can be white too...

Err... no
Generally when the volcano has been spewing ash, it's very dark brown/black.

Figuramatyi

DOCARCH wrote: »

Err... no
Generally when the volcano has been spewing ash, it's very dark brown/black.

And how does that explain that everything in Iceland that has been under the ash cloud is covered with light grey ash?
Try as you might, you can NOT tell the ash content based on a *webcam* picture.

baalthor

andrew wrote: »

Am I the only one who kinda wants to see Katla go up? I mean, I know it'd be **** and all in terms of the economy with regard to aviation, but I bet it'd be pretty spectacular!

Easier to pronounce too :-D

acquiescefc

surely theyre putting water on so itll be fine.

DOCARCH

Figuramatyi wrote: »

And how does that explain that everything in Iceland that has been under the ash cloud is covered with light grey ash?
Try as you might, you can NOT tell the ash content based on a *webcam* picture.

I did say mainly steam. Of course there is probably some ash content. If you were looking at webcams for the last couple of the days there is a significant difference today. Especially on Saturday, there was a thick column of dark/black ash spewing out of the volcano.

Have a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6dDesUPkMo

maquiladora

DOCARCH wrote: »

Err... no
Generally when the volcano has been spewing ash, it's very dark brown/black.

Yep. There is a lot less ash in the plume by the look of it.

peasant

50 Lufthansa long haul flights have been given special permission to return to Germany.
They will fly according to visual flight rules under the ash cloud as soon as they reach the blocked airspace.

Most of these flights are expected to land tomorrow morning.

Associated Press
Lufthansa gets permission to fly passengers home
Associated Press, 04.19.10, 10:10 AM EDT


BERLIN -- Germany's aviation authority says it has granted Lufthansa permission to fly 50 planes back to Germany with about 15,000 passengers aboard.

maquiladora

Sky News saying that British airspace to reopen tomorrow.

mickger844posts

maquiladora wrote: »

Sky News saying that British airspace to reopen tomorrow.

Looking at the pics of the volcano today there is a big difference in levels of smoke being ejected from it especially compared to Saturday. That being said there is nothing stopping it from erupting violently again at any time. I'm a bit surprised at the announcement that British airspace will open tomorrow but i guess its to be expected. At least people will get a chance to get home.

owenc

maquiladora wrote: »

Sky News saying that British airspace to reopen tomorrow.

NO! scottish airspace!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8630455.stm listen to bbc news sky news are false sometimes.. i have told this tons of times already.

rebel girl 15

owenc wrote: »

NO! scottish airspace!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8630455.stm listen to bbc news sky news are false sometimes.. i have told this tons of times already.

Read the first line of the article you linked to

Airspace in Scotland, Northern Ireland and parts of northern England is due to reopen on Tuesday after days of travel chaos caused by a volcanic ash cloud.