Dogs required to have Muzzles

ISDW

Oranage2 wrote: »

I hope your daughter gets better and i understand your point that any dog can attck.

Haven brought this tread topic way off i'll just summerize:

*the restricted breeds are big, have a powerful bite force and if they do attack the injuries suffered are going to be worse then a non-restricted breed in many cases. They are unforetunetly also the choice dog of the irresponsible chav owner and the typical case is seeing some guy with a cap and tracksuit having a staf thats pulling on the lead and showing agression towards other dogs. This is why i like seing the restricted breeds with muzzles.

I also think that other dogs need to be put more dogs on the list like boxers, huskies and labradors.

* Never leave any dog un-attended with a child.


Maybe if a once off licence that costs €5000 for any dog and if your dog attacks another dog or person and does damage then you lose the €5k. If it doesnt attack then you get back the money when you dog dies. This should cut out chav owners, dogs being left wandering the streets and it will also make getting a dog a serious decision. Also dog training classes and dog sosilizing classes should be law.
If this was the case i'd be happy that no dog should have to wear a muzzle


side note: better listen to the power mad wardens cause they actually have powers.
Dog Wardens

Dog wardens have the power to request the name and address of a person suspected of an offence under the Control of Dogs Act 1986. They also have the power to seize and detain any dog and to enter any premises, other than a residence with 5 or more dogs, to seize and detain a dog. You are guilty of an offence and can be arrested by a Garda if you obstruct a dog warden in the course of his or her work, refuse to give your name and address or give a false name and address

Please explain why boxers, huskies and labradors should be on the list? A responsible husky owner will never let them off the lead anyway, so the irresponsible ones that do are the same ones that wouldn't muzzle etc if required to anyway.

But, please do explain your reasoning behind those 3 breeds. It can't be that they are big and powerful, which seems to be your main reason for wanting dogs on the list in the first place.

lrushe

Oranage2 wrote: »

Maybe if a once off licence that costs €5000 for any dog and if your dog attacks another dog or person and does damage then you lose the €5k. If it doesnt attack then you get back the money when you dog dies. This should cut out chav owners, dogs being left wandering the streets and it will also make getting a dog a serious decision. Also dog training classes and dog sosilizing classes should be law.
If this was the case i'd be happy that no dog should have to wear a muzzle

The only people ever to suffer at the hands of laws like this is the responsible ones, those who aren't responsible will never obey the laws and they are too hard to police properly so nothing will change except those with the best interests of their animals will have more and more restrictions put on them, hardly fair is it???

cjf

Its a catch 22 situation . . I have a fab dobie fella and staff x girly and they have no agression issues with any dogs or people (the bichon freise , maltese, cavalier, lurcher and lab that they spend their holidays with can vouch for that!)

I have a muzzel for my guy (as is required) and I never let him off the lead in a public place. We walk on the beach and often all the other dogs are off leads and running up teasing him. Understandably he gets excited and then frustrated as he is all strapped up glued to my side and they are running at him from all angles! He is only 15 months old just a pup really he starts to bounce and whine because he cant play and they wont leave him alone at this point without fail I will get the all of a sudden so concerned owner of the dog thats just let off to do what ever it wants over to shake there head snatch up their dog and sometimes have a little shout.

Socialisation is just not an option with these guys unless you pay for classes just to let them meet other dogs (which I have to do). Its awful that we have this negative experience when out walking responsibly minding our own business. He loves meeting dogs and people and he doesnt know what he is but Im pretty sure in a few years when his puppy phase passes all the negative experiences will have an effect on his personality. . .if people crossed the street everytime they saw me coming, threw filthy looks when I said hello, grabbed anyone I was taking to and yanked them away and tutted at me for just being me It would defo take its toll.

As for my staff x girly she is registered as a boxer cross and im sticking to with that.

TooManyDogs

I have a GSD x that always makes people see how ridiculous the muzzle law is, they take one look at her and say that she doesn't need to be muzzled. I remind them that by law she should be and they can't believe the law includes her too.



I think the law is ridiculous and all that will end up happening is breeds will continue to be added until it's quicker to list the dogs that don't need to be muzzled.

As far as I'm aware the dog warden can't enforce the muzzle law, only the gardai can. Whatever part of legislation it falls under isn't part of the warden's remit, so despite the blustering they go on with they can only advise you of that particular law and threaten to report you to the gardai. So I don't muzzle my dog because I think it's a stupid law, and as I live quite rural I never see the warden or a guard from one end of the year to the next. It's very Irish I know to only obey laws I agree with but there you go..... I always obey the scoop your poo law, that one I do agree with!

DBCyc

TooManyDogs wrote: »

I have a GSD x that always makes people see how ridiculous the muzzle law is, they take one look at her and say that she doesn't need to be muzzled. I remind them that by law she should be and they can't believe the law includes her too.



I think the law is ridiculous and all that will end up happening is breeds will continue to be added until it's quicker to list the dogs that don't need to be muzzled.

Well said, I fully agree.

TooManyDogs wrote: »

As far as I'm aware the dog warden can't enforce the muzzle law, only the gardai can. Whatever part of legislation it falls under isn't part of the warden's remit, so despite the blustering they go on with they can only advise you of that particular law and threaten to report you to the gardai. So I don't muzzle my dog because I think it's a stupid law, and as I live quite rural I never see the warden or a guard from one end of the year to the next. It's very Irish I know to only obey laws I agree with but there you go..... I always obey the scoop your poo law, that one I do agree with!

Where did you get that information from? I thought that the wardens were fully responsible for ensuring people muzzle restricted dog breeds. Around where I live the Gardaí definitely dont care, maybe it would be different if someone complained to them about a certain dog.

Also it seems as some wardens dont agree/care about the law either cos I've met wardens with my staffy and they have said nothing about muzzling her.

TooManyDogs

DBCyc wrote: »

Where did you get that information from?

I was told that the muzzle law is actually a law under the legal system therefore only enforcible by a guard. The dog wardens have powers under the Control of Dogs Act, and isn't part of the legal system as such. Here's a link to the Irish Statute under which the Act falls, there's no mention of muzzle laws

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1986/en/act/pub/0032/index.html

I'm open to correction but I think it was a mistake on the goverments part that the muzzle law was not added to control of dogs act. The wardens act like they can inforce it cos it drives them nuts that they can't and the gardai can't be bothered. I reckon it's why the wardens let so many people off with a warning, cos it's all they can do!

seamus

The way that law works is that you have a Principle Act which sets out the law. If you want to make changes to that Act, you issue a "new" Act, which makes reference to the Principle Act. When citing law, you always refer to the principle Act, no matter how many times it's been changed.

If you're ever cautioned by the Gardai for a road traffic offence, they'll refer to the Road Traffic Act of 1960-something even though 20 or so Road Traffic Acts have been made since then.

In this case, the Control of Dogs Act, 1986 is the Principle Act, however, it's been amended at least twice, and the restricted breeds list is set down in the Control of Dogs (Restriction of Certain Dogs) Regulations, 1991. These regulations are enacted based on the laws of the Principle Act, which give dog wardens the power to enforce muzzling and leashing laws.