Genealogical relationships of Presidents of the United States

Yitzhak Rabin

Wibbs wrote: »

Of course since Jesus had four brothers and several sisters, his bloodline or that of his family have to be out there somewhere.

Is there evidence of this? Where'd youfind it, I never heard of it.

getz

yekahs wrote: »

Is there evidence of this? Where'd youfind it, I never heard of it.

mathew 12;46,luke8;19,mark3;31, jesus, brothers names james,joseph,simon,judas, but dont tell the catholic church they dont believe it

fontanalis

Anyone interested in genetics/ancestry do a search on youtube for Spencer Wells or Journey of Man. It gives a good over view. For more specifics for regions like the British Isles look up Stephen Oppenheimer or Bryan Sykes.
It is a fascinating topic in it's own right and doesn't need any of the "embellishments" contained in this thread which frankly makes the book of mormon look like On the Origin of Species.
This blog also has some good articles.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/

fontanalis

mysterious wrote: »

It's all connected. You have to dig deeper and see the symbolism for what it stands for and eventually all the pieces from history kind of just spell it all out. It really relies on lots of research, time, sycronity and effort to put it all together.

Connected to what? Once more with substance please.

Wibbs

fontanalis wrote: »

Anyone interested in genetics/ancestry do a search on youtube for Spencer Wells or Journey of Man. It gives a good over view. For more specifics for regions like the British Isles look up Stephen Oppenheimer or Bryan Sykes.

They're good sources alright. Throws the Irish as Celts out the window on the genetic front. And shows the irish and english are more alike that not. And that we mostly come from early neolithic types from the atlantic coasts of spain etc. We built newgrange basically. It also shows that the "celtic" chronicles written down by the monks were about more of a cultural invasion than a physical one. Interesting though that the new culture revered the old as magical builders in stone and venerated the old sites. The celtic culture was not a stone building one at all.

getz

constance tench wrote: »

Dr Mark Humphrys: [DCU]

'Strongbow is provably the ancestor of, among others: George W. Bush, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, the Duke of Wellington, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Charles Darwin, Bertrand Russell, Richard Dawkins, Robert Emmet, Terence O'Neill, William of Orange, Lord Edward Fitzgerald, Marie Antoinette, Tsar Nicholas II, Kaiser William II, the current English Royal family, and even my own children. There seems no particular reason to highlight the link from Strongbow to Bush'.
http://humphrysfamilytree.com/famous.bush.strongbow.html

http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Royal/Notes/presidents

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It gets very interesting here!

1. Terence O'Neill, Harold McCusker and Ken Maginnis are obviously Irish in their male-line ancestry.
2. Gerry Adams, Bobby Sands and John Hume are obviously British in their male-line ancestry.
3. The entire British Royal family since 1377 descends from the Gaelic Irish.
4. All these Irish rebels - Garret Mor Fitzgerald, Garret Og Fitzgerald, Silken Thomas, The rebel Earl of Desmond, Hugh O'Neill, Earl of Tyrone, Lord Edward Fitzgerald, Robert Emmet, William Smith O'Brien, Charles Stewart Parnell - all of them descend from the British Royal Family.

remember most of those people were also freemasons

TalkieWalkie

mysterious wrote: »

Now where it get's complicated, is there is more than just one bloodline. There is the serpent bloodline, hybrid bloodline, the pure bloodline and others fighting for the real throne of King David. From my own research led me to believe that they are 12 universal races, and the Jesus bloodline holds the key to humanity.

Oh I'm glad I got that all out, it's all confusing I know. But I want to know where all this ties into and where it leads too. Even Hitler and other superpowers were obsessed with bringing back the super Ayran race. The British Royal family has been trying to wipe out and control the Irish for nearly a 1000 years. We can clearly see the British obession to remain in power and keep all the other bloodlines out of the equation. The Vatican has spent the last 2000 years butchering millions to find the Jesus of Nazereth bloodline. The crown of England is ruled by an imposter family. On and on.

This is excellent stuff and the reason I started this thread. These bloodlines are of massive importance. I feel it is the reason that power stays within these bloodline (probably reptilian). It would seem their objective to confuse, control us through fear. To have us destroy ourselves using our own taxes to do so. All wars are financed by the same people, us!. We are kept weak from fluoride in our water and chemical's in the air we breath, drugs on the street, alcohol in our blood and smoke in our lungs. This concoction of poisons keeps us weak and in fear for our lives. It separates us and stops us from realising our true potential as a collective. This state of mind and consciousness makes us afraid of each other and we project negative energy as a result. It is this negative energy that feeds the controlling power and we become more suppressed and weaker. So in a sense they are creating our reality, like a matrix. The truth everyone needs to understand is that we are each extremely powerful (spiritually)as individuals and collectively. The illuminated ones know this and do their damnedest to keep it from us.
This is the nature of the beast.

fontanalis

Wibbs wrote: »

They're good sources alright. Throws the Irish as Celts out the window on the genetic front. And shows the irish and english are more alike that not. And that we mostly come from early neolithic types from the atlantic coasts of spain etc. We built newgrange basically

From what I gather celts originated in either central Europe or the Pyrenees region, the Roman who first talked about them said they were from near the source of the Danube, but he also though the Danube rose in the Pyrenees. I think the term was used very widely to cover various groups of people going as far as Belgium almost. But the celtic language and some culture did seem to reach Irish shores after the Iron Age, of course it didn't arrive on it's own but here was no wipe out or genocide of the people who were there since the end of the ice age. The term celt being used to decscribe irish, scots and the welsh seemed to have been coined in the 18th century and the romanticised image we have today stems from that. There are also historians who think the term is meaningless as it's been so corrupted. I'd say ther term celt has been hijacked almost.
From Stephen oppenheimers book what I gather is that at the end of the last ice age people fromthree main refuges (what we now call the Basque area, Ukraine and The Balkans) started to move North and West. The area of land from Normandy to Cornwall to Cork was still connected so people from what is now The Basque region colonised the Britsh Isles.
Also Oppenheimer claims that East England would have got an input from one of the other two refuges as The North Sea would have been fairly dry at this stage. Also due to East Englands location there seemd to be continued influences across The North Sea from groups like The Belgae, Jutes and Saxons (who Oppenheimer claims probably were more Denmark based, and also didn't wipe out the indigenous English in the 5th century as claimed by St Gildas).
There was also meant to be a migration from the mediterranean and they seemed to have settled more or less in Wales. Interestingly a genetic study on females in Iceland showed that about 25% have very recent Irish ancesty, probably due to the vikings.

fontanalis

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

This is excellent stuff and the reason I started this thread. These bloodlines are of massive importance. I feel it is the reason that power stays within these bloodline (probably reptilian). It would seem their objective to confuse, control us through fear. To have us destroy ourselves using our own taxes to do so. All wars are financed by the same people, us!. We are kept weak from fluoride in our water and chemical's in the air we breath, drugs on the street, alcohol in our blood and smoke in our lungs. This concoction of poisons keeps us weak and in fear for our lives. It separates us and stops us from realising our true potential as a collective. This state of mind and consciousness makes us afraid of each other and we project negative energy as a result. It is this negative energy that feeds the controlling power and we become more suppressed and weaker. So in a sense they are creating our reality, like a matrix. The truth everyone needs to understand is that we are each extremely powerful as individuals and collectively. The illuminated ones know this and do their damnedest to keep it from us.
This is the nature of the beast.

No, no, no for the love of god no.

TalkieWalkie

fontanalis wrote: »

No, no, no for the love of god no.

I'm afraid so

fontanalis

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I'm afraid so

I'll give you a few years and I guarantee when you think of these posts you'll be embarassed.

Wibbs

fontanalis wrote: »

I'll give you a few years and I guarantee when you think of these posts you'll be embarassed.

Meh a youth lived without embarrassment is rarely well lived.

TalkieWalkie

fontanalis wrote: »

I'll give you a few years and I guarantee when you think of these posts you'll be embarassed.

Thanks for that overwhelming display of concern, but I wont be embarrassed for sharing my thoughts

uprising2

Ok TalkieWalkie you seem ok with the direction the thread is taking so I'll continue where I left off.

Wibbs wrote: »

As a religious/social settlement it's there long before the Hebrew story. 1000's of years before.

Yes it did indeed, and went by different names at different times. But I don't think a definate time can be placed on ANY ancient artifact due to the serious flaws in radiocarbon dating techniques.
Tara (Irish: “Place of Assembly”) incidently Armageddon can be translated "Hill of Assembly".

Wibbs wrote: »

Loughcrew is fascinating indeed. And would make a thread all its own with archaeologists seemingly ignoring scholarly theories on the astronomical purpose of the petroglyphs or continuing to call these structures tombs.

One interpretation of one of the stone carvings in Cairn T using an astronomical conjunction carved on it, puts the date it refers to and the arrival of Tea Tephi as 583 BC, which would be around the time of the Biblical destruction of Judah by the Babylonians.



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Wibbs wrote: »

This Hebrew connection was a popular idea in Victorian times. Indeed mostly because many simply couldnt believe the Irish capable of building such things. The various "tombs" were ascribed to Vikings, Greeks, Romans, Britains and Hebrews and ancient Masons. Rarely if ever the Irish. That's a CT of sorts right there especially given the masonic connection. The Hebrew idea was popular among a small group of victorian masons, so I dunno why CT'rs of all people would believe it?

The idea originated that it was the tomb of Ollamh Fodhla (Wise Sage) from a man called Eugene Conwell in the 1860's, I don't know if he was a freemason or not. Later the British Israelites (freemasonic/church of england) came to the conclusion (I've read from studying clues in the Bible) that the Ark of the Covenant was infact buried on the hill of Tara, and started excavating the hill in 1899, it must be noted that their one and only reason for finding it was to prove to the world that the british were God's chosen people and had every right to conquer and pillage the world i.e. their motivation wasn't for the betterment of mankind, and it must also be noted that the main opponents of the excavation were Maud Gonne and WB Yeats, both members of Golden Dawn, whose motives were occult related I believe.

Wibbs wrote: »

Again the problem with the Hebrew connection is their age. The structures, loughcrew, the boyne monuments and tara are older than the pyramids. They existed long before the exodus of the Jews from Egypt could have happened in the first place.

Again were back to carbon dating and its serious flaws, I'm not saying your wrong just pointing out how these dates and times are calculated, also it doesn't really matter if the monuments were there or not already for a Hebrew connection, nobody has said the Hebrews created them, the pyramids were there before the Exodus, yet both seen as connected.

BTW I am not stating anything here as fact, just opening different avenues for people to explore.

mysterious

fontanalis wrote: »

I'll give you a few years and I guarantee when you think of these posts you'll be embarassed.

Most of us are not afraid of the truth and alot of us here don't fall for the conditioning of society as in what "to" believe, what "to" say, what not "to" say or whats now trendy to follow in the popularity polls.

I think I'd more concerned or embarrassed when I see people like you who get worried what people may think of you.

I love people who are not afraid to stand to their convictions and truth.

fontanalis

So there were three boats that left and it could be made out from those lines? It would be interesting to see how this ties in with the Jewish faiths, I wonder if there are similar markigns at other sites, and the ark is at tara? Maud Gonne must have been a satanist if she didn't want osme narcisistic cult digging in an important Irish cultural area to further their nonsense about trying to link themselves to biblical times.
As for the exodus how the hell did tens of thousands of peope get lost in an area close to major trade routes and not leave a trace. Do you deliberately pick up stuff that no-one lese believes.
Give the original settlers of Ireland some credit, they were here well before the people mentioned in myths written by sheep herders in the middle east!

fontanalis

mysterious wrote: »

Most of us are not afraid of the truth and alot of us here don't fall for the conditioning of society as in what "to" believe, what "to" say, what not "to" say or whats now trendy to follow in the popularity polls.

I think I'd more concerned or embarrassed when I see people like you who get worried what people may think of you.

I love people who are not afraid to stand to their convictions and truth.

Again you are confusing your OPINION with the truth.

mysterious

fontanalis wrote: »

Again you are confusing your OPINION with the truth.

I'm not afraid to stand to my opinions (in the face of a crowd), nor am I afraid to stand to the truth (in the face of a crowd). Nor would I be embarrassed for been wrong on both, because I know I'm on the path to the ultimate truth through many errors and trials. A bit silly to be in your case of worrying about what people may think of you along the way incase you get ridiculed. If you have that mentality your bound to fail. That's why imo some of us have gotten ahead of you in this stance.

There are many perspectives, but only one truth. On this world we live in complete delusion of who we are, it's why we have beliefs, conflicts, corruptions and lies. We spend more time waddling in that, than actually seeking the truth.

Sorry to say, but the truth is the truth. Only delusion will try force it's way in front of everything and oh oh "conditioning belief systems".

fontanalis

mysterious wrote: »

I'm not afraid to stand to my opinions (in the face of a crowd), nor am I afraid to stand to the truth (in the face of a crowd). Nor would I be embarrassed for been wrong on both, because I know I'm on the path to the ultimate truth through many errors and trials. A bit silly to be in your case of worrying about what people may think of you along the way incase you get ridiculed. If you have that mentality your bound to fail. That's why imo some of us have gotten ahead of you in this stance.

There are many perspectives, but only one truth. On this world we live in complete delusion of who we are, it's why we have beliefs, conflicts, corruptions and lies. We spend more time waddling in that, than actually seeking the truth.

Sorry to say, but the truth is the truth. Only delusion will try forces it way in front of everything and oh oh "conditioning belief systems".

What what with the what now?
That's just your usual narcisistic stuff about how somehow you know all there is to know through the medium of you tube.

uprising2

fontanalis wrote: »

So there were three boats that left and it could be made out from those lines? It would be interesting to see how this ties in with the Jewish faiths, I wonder if there are similar markigns at other sites, and the ark is at tara? Maud Gonne must have been a satanist if she didn't want osme narcisistic cult digging in an important Irish cultural area to further their nonsense about trying to link themselves to biblical times.
As for the exodus how the hell did tens of thousands of peope get lost in an area close to major trade routes and not leave a trace. Do you deliberately pick up stuff that no-one lese believes.
Give the original settlers of Ireland some credit, they were here well before the people mentioned in myths written by sheep herders in the middle east!

You try to belittle and fail miserably, I've still as yet to find anything from you of interest.
You know nothing about nothing and try to make yourself feel better by "trying" to discredit everything, get a life, your a joke.haha

fontanalis

uprising2 wrote: »

You try to belittle and fail miserably, I've still as yet to find anything from you of interest.
You know nothing about nothing and try to make yourself feel better by "trying" to discredit everything, get a life, your a joke.haha

Really, I'm not the person posting glorified mormonism. I posted links to genetic tests showing the ancestry and settlement of ireland based on reasonable research.

uprising2

fontanalis wrote: »

Again you are confusing your OPINION with the truth.

You dont know the truth, actually you know nothing, you drag every fukking discussion into your stupid silly bullsh1t games.

mysterious

fontanalis wrote: »

What what with the what now?
That's just your usual narcisistic stuff about how somehow you know all there is to know through the medium of you tube.

You need to look at your posts and see how many shots you have taken at others already before you now make more judgments of me.

I'm going to be honest you have contributed little to nothing but jibe at others and laugh at what people believe in here. Why post in here if that's what you do? You know this is a breach of the charter.

Yitzhak Rabin

Why can't ye just ignore each other?

I know backseat modding is against the charter and all that, but can't we just cut out the childish bickering. This topic is very interesting, regardless of which side of the debate you're on, and it would be an awful shame for this thread to be derailed, or worse locked.

So can we get back to topic, because I think everyone who's been contributing thus far has extremely interesting input.

fontanalis

uprising2 wrote: »

You dont know the truth, actually you know nothing, you drag every fukking discussion into your stupid silly bullsh1t games.

I think you can't handle the truth might have been funnier,and more adult.

fontanalis

mysterious wrote: »

You need to look at your posts and see how many shots you have taken at others already before you now make more judgments of me.

I'm going to be honest you have contributed little to nothing but jibe at others and laugh at what people believe in here. Why post in here if that's what you do? You know this is a breach of the charter.

I'm posting in here because I find genetics and the ancestry/settlement of Ireland to be a fascinating topic when looking at it in factual terms. When I see stuff about boats leaving Egypt and leaving someone at gibraltar, or stuff on the level of the book of mormon, or reptilians and rh blood types being from Atlantis and other such easily dismissed nonsense being bandied about I find it very annoying and insulting to a country with an interesting enough ancient history and it doesn't deserve cheapening woth some of the stuff being posted in here.

mysterious

yekahs wrote: »

Why can't ye just ignore each other?

I know backseat modding is against the charter and all that, but can't we just cut out the childish bickering. This topic is very interesting, regardless of which side of the debate you're on, and it would be an awful shame for this thread to be derailed, or worse locked.

So can we get back to topic, because I think everyone who's been contributing thus far has extremely interesting input.

I agree, I've done it. I was really impressed with this thread, and it seems everyone comes to great understanding on this facinating subject by just sharing their thoughts.

Unraveling this topic is one of my favourites.

amacachi

Just another example of how inbred the whole world is, across all classes or however you want to divide people up, on an episode of Who do You Think You Are? I'm watching right now Ainsley Harriet's great great grandfather was slave-owner. Bit of a shock for him to say the least.

fontanalis

amacachi wrote: »

Just another example of how inbred the whole world is, across all classes or however you want to divide people up, on an episode of Who do You Think You Are? I'm watching right now Ainsley Harriet's great great grandfather was slave-owner. Bit of a shock for him to say the least.

John Hurts was very interesting, there was also an English cricket player who had his roots traced to William the Conqueror. And in true monarchy style Willys family tree had him as a decendant of Jaysus and back to Adam and Eve.

amacachi

fontanalis wrote: »

John Hurts was very interesting, there was also an English cricket player who had his roots traced to William the Conqueror. And in true monarchy style Willys family tree had him as a decendant of Jaysus and back to Adam and Eve.

Think over 90% of British people who's family is there long enough could trace their roots back to William if the records were there.