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Champions League semi-final first leg: Bayern Munich v Lyon 19.45

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  • #252
    Bodhisopha
    Registered Users Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭Bodhisopha


    Need2Know4Sure wrote: »
    You sure it said Lass??
    Mo Diarra played for them and went to Real to for 40m

    Was Juninho on the team...didnt see him there

    It said L Diarra and M Diarra and according to wikipedia Alou Diarra only played 15 games for Lyon.

    It's a bit rich RTÉ pundits sneering Bayern players when their own punditry leaves an awful lot to be desired. It's pretty disgraceful actually.

    No, Juninho wasn't on it.


  • #253
    Frisbee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,570 ✭✭✭✭Frisbee


    Need2Know4Sure wrote: »
    You sure it said Lass??
    Mo Diarra played for them and went to Real to for 40m

    Was Juninho on the team...didnt see him there

    It said Lass and Mo...


  • #254
    LowOdour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭LowOdour


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    I love Giles and Dunphy :pac:

    And Bill the troll of course..


    Great bit between them tonight

    Eamon : I dont want to keep refering to my own career, do I John?

    Gilsey : No, I wouldn't if I were you

    Played out better on t.v!


  • #255
    monkey9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    Pundits with their catch phrases. With Eamon its "Shocking" with Bill its "tell me this" with Lawro "Ill tell you what matt" Cas "I really think" etc etc

    But they're all terrific catchphrases!


  • #256
    projectmayhem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    Incredibly bad analysis of the game from RTE. I'm a Munich fan so usually I end up watching Bundesliga games via Eurosport or GolTV. It's amazing how stats from the past and in-depth knowledge of a team suits them when United play, but not when it's two European clubs that aren't on the cover of Sky TV magazine. It's also clear Dunphy has never seen a Bungesliga match before.

    If I didn't know Bayern tonight would have told me:

    Pranjic is an ace player
    Muller is consistently muck (granted, I kinda agree with that)
    Gomez can't score for his dinner
    Robben is a flash in the pan
    Bayern are utterly boring

    Amazing how stats don't matter, but they were very important when Bayern played United. 1999 came up a lot that time, but bringing up more recent games means nothing to the team now.

    Next game I'll put on mute and stream audio from a team who've done their homework first.


  • #257
    Spiritoftheseventies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    projectmayhem wrote: »
    Incredibly bad analysis of the game from RTE. I'm a Munich fan so usually I end up watching Bundesliga games via Eurosport or GolTV. It's amazing how stats from the past and in-depth knowledge of a team suits them when United play, but not when it's two European clubs that aren't on the cover of Sky TV magazine. It's also clear Dunphy has never seen a Bungesliga match before.

    If I didn't know Bayern tonight would have told me:

    Pranjic is an ace player
    Muller is consistently muck (granted, I kinda agree with that)
    Gomez can't score for his dinner
    Robben is a flash in the pan
    Bayern are utterly boring

    Amazing how stats don't matter, but they were very important when Bayern played United. 1999 came up a lot that time, but bringing up more recent games means nothing to the team now.

    Next game I'll put on mute and stream audio from a team who've done their homework first.
    To be fair Muller missed a fairly bad chance and in all honesty Munich were up against a ten man Lyon team who sat back throughout should have won by more.
    Robben is a good player but the criticism I think people had of him at Chelsea was that he tended to keep his head down a bit.
    Dont think Munich are anywhere near the class of Barca or Inter but would agree that the panel should have acted a bit more professionally tonight.


  • #258
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    projectmayhem wrote: »
    Incredibly bad analysis of the game from RTE. I'm a Munich fan so usually I end up watching Bundesliga games via Eurosport or GolTV. It's amazing how stats from the past and in-depth knowledge of a team suits them when United play, but not when it's two European clubs that aren't on the cover of Sky TV magazine. It's also clear Dunphy has never seen a Bungesliga match before.

    If I didn't know Bayern tonight would have told me:

    Pranjic is an ace player
    Muller is consistently muck (granted, I kinda agree with that)
    Gomez can't score for his dinner
    Robben is a flash in the pan
    Bayern are utterly boring

    Amazing how stats don't matter, but they were very important when Bayern played United. 1999 came up a lot that time, but bringing up more recent games means nothing to the team now.

    Next game I'll put on mute and stream audio from a team who've done their homework first.

    In fairness Giles always rubbishes stats like what Bill was saying tonight. One of his big lines is to say "play the game on it's merits". Stats can be used to say almost anything you want. I'll leave them to the slicksters at Sky who know all the stats but not the actual football

    Edit: Slicksters being production people etc. I'm not calling Merson or Redknapp a slickster!


  • #259
    projectmayhem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    To be fair Muller missed a fairly bad chance and in all honesty Munich were up against a ten man Lyon team who sat back throughout should have won by more.

    I was doing a liveblog on a Bayern blog and I called Muller out a lot. He does score goals regularly in the Bundesliga but he scuffed a lot of shots. Olic should have been left on, and Gomez brought on earlier. I understand we needed to strengthen the midfield but not at the expensive of the front of goal...
    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    Robben is a good player but the criticism I think people had of him at Chelsea was that he tended to keep his head down a bit.

    This sentence sums up my criticisism of RTE. They're judging him at his time at Chelsea, where he spent most of his time fixing parts of his body broken by Wigan or some other middle-of-the-road team. They seem to have forgotten his time at Real where he was a key player, and this season for Bayern where he's been outstanding, with goals that only Messi could better. Like I said, it's clear RTE only watch the EPL. Nothing else. No research into the teams playing, and always manage to bring it back to United, regardless of who's playing.
    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    Dont think Munich are anywhere near the class of Barca or Inter but would agree that the panel should have acted a bit more professionally tonight.

    By no means would I say this game was on the same level as Inter/Barca, but the Inter/Barca game was always going to be fraught with southern continental flare and passion. These are very different games. The fact that Dunphy admitted he had previously said that he didn't want to watch this game shows that he shouldn't have been giving comments on it. He's hardly objective. Anytime I've seen him talk about football he manages to worm United into the conversation...


  • #260
    Spiritoftheseventies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    projectmayhem wrote: »
    I was doing a liveblog on a Bayern blog and I called Muller out a lot. He does score goals regularly in the Bundesliga but he scuffed a lot of shots. Olic should have been left on, and Gomez brought on earlier. I understand we needed to strengthen the midfield but not at the expensive of the front of goal...



    This sentence sums up my criticisism of RTE. They're judging him at his time at Chelsea, where he spent most of his time fixing parts of his body broken by Wigan or some other middle-of-the-road team. They seem to have forgotten his time at Real where he was a key player, and this season for Bayern where he's been outstanding, with goals that only Messi could better. Like I said, it's clear RTE only watch the EPL. Nothing else. No research into the teams playing, and always manage to bring it back to United, regardless of who's playing.



    By no means would I say this game was on the same level as Inter/Barca, but the Inter/Barca game was always going to be fraught with southern continental flare and passion. These are very different games. The fact that Dunphy admitted he had previously said that he didn't want to watch this game shows that he shouldn't have been giving comments on it. He's hardly objective. Anytime I've seen him talk about football he manages to worm United into the conversation...
    In Dunphys defence he does watch a lot of spanish football and has been on record as saying he is an admirer of French football. Watched DVD of Lyon Bordeaux game. But agree they were a bit over the top with their criticism.


  • #261
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    In Dunphys defence he does watch a lot of spanish football and has been on record as saying he is an admirer of French football. Watched DVD of Lyon Bordeaux game. But agree they were a bit over the top with their criticism.

    Honestly, 90% of your posts have to wind ups.:pac:


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  • #262
    Spiritoftheseventies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Honestly, 90% of your posts have to wind ups.:pac:
    Sorry how is this a wind up. Merely pointing out that Dunphy as a rule does watch a lot of spanish football and said tonight he watched DVD of Bordeaux Lyon game.


  • #263
    Ush1
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    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    Sorry how is this a wind up. Merely pointing out that Dunphy as a rule does watch a lot of spanish football and said tonight he watched DVD of Bordeaux Lyon game.

    Dunphy has been exposed on his lack of Spanish football knowledge many times. I wouldn't even tip the iceberg on his lack of knowledge of Ligue 1, saying he watched a dvd of a game is pretty laughable. He offered literally zero insight in to any Lyon players.


  • #264
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    Bodhisopha wrote: »
    Lass Diarra didn't play for Lyon? RTE have him in their Lyon dream team.

    I have a feeling Bill came up with that team all by himself. Don't know how they managed to leave out Juninho.
    Coupet

    Clerc
    Edmilson
    Cris
    Abidal
    Diarra
    Essien
    Juninho

    Benzema
    Malouda
    Fred

    Thats the real Lyon team of the Decade (I presume they were talking about the last decade)


  • #265
    projectmayhem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    In Dunphys defence he does watch a lot of spanish football and has been on record as saying he is an admirer of French football. Watched DVD of Lyon Bordeaux game. But agree they were a bit over the top with their criticism.

    Are you sure? I watch most La Liga games and I'm a secret fan of Barca and it's usually apparent Dunphy only watches Barca and Real matches.

    Watching a DVD of one French game is not being a fan of it, in fairness. I'm clueless on French football but I would hedge my bets on being better at analysing it then Dunphy.


  • #266
    JPA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,793 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    Sorry how is this a wind up. Merely pointing out that Dunphy as a rule does watch a lot of spanish football and said tonight he watched DVD of Bordeaux Lyon game.


    If your job is a professional pundit, staying in, instead of going out and getting blotto, and watching whatever game Sky have on from La Liga does not equate to "watching a lot of Spanish football".


  • #267
    Spiritoftheseventies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    JPA wrote: »
    If your job is a professional pundit, staying in, instead of going out and getting blotto, and watching whatever game Sky have on from La Liga does not equate to "watching a lot of Spanish football".
    Dunphy watched DVD of Lyon Bordeaux game so you cant accuse him of not being prepared for game. Giles came out and said he didnt know much about the Lyon team. Dunphy comes out with some strange statements but he at least did his homework. Collectively the three werent great tonight


  • #268
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    It's most apparent in Dunphy but probably a problem with all of them. They're paid as football pundits but probably do as much 'research' as you and I do. basically being in their position because they've always been there and also for comical value they're enjoying their no doubt quite profitable little RTE contracts sitting on their backsides talking ****e.
    Being 'controversial' is the only way that clown Dunphy is still in that seat. If he tried real expert opinion stuff I'm sure he'd be 'found out' in no time.
    The only thing that's funnier than them is the guys on was it TV3 or e4 icant remember.


  • #269
    Tech3
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    Scroll back in time to 2006 before the world cup, Dunphy had been constantly saying Italy were shambolic. He never stopped talking rubbish about them until they actually kicked a ball. Obviously them won after that given how inaccurate the panel is most of the time. :D


  • #270
    Prufrock
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    1-0 won't be enough to take to France. Lyon will be better at home.


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  • #271
    L'prof
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    Prufrock wrote: »
    1-0 won't be enough to take to France. Lyon will be better at home.

    I can see Bayern getting an away goal though, leaving Lyon needing 3!


  • #272
    PHB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Pretty impressive result for Bayern considering.

    Is Ribery potentially out for the final too now? Is it a 2 game ban?


  • #273
    L'prof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    PHB wrote: »
    Pretty impressive result for Bayern considering.

    Is Ribery potentially out for the final too now? Is it a 2 game ban?

    UEFA have to make a call on that, I think it's a one game ban with them deciding whether he deserves more or not!
    UEFA will decide next Wednesday whether Ribery will face any more than the automatic one-game ban for his red card

    Link


  • #274
    DazMarz
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    Lyon might be better at home, but I can still see Bayern nicking an away goal... And if they score twice, Lyon are left with a nigh on impossible task. If Bayern score first in Lyon, that means that OL will have to commit more to going forward, leaving them open to counter attacks. I still say Bayern will go through.


  • #275
    leninbenjamin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    tdv123 wrote: »
    I have a feeling Bill came up with that team all by himself. Don't know how they managed to leave out Juninho.
    Coupet

    Clerc
    Edmilson
    Cris
    Abidal
    Diarra
    Essien
    Juninho

    Benzema
    Malouda
    Fred

    Thats the real Lyon team of the Decade (I presume they were talking about the last decade)

    I don't think it was meant to be the team of the decade... I just thought it was meant to be the best Lyon players (current and former) on current form i.e. as an example of how many good players Lyon had sold on.


  • #276
    Prufrock
    Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Prufrock


    jasonorr wrote: »
    I can see Bayern getting an away goal though, leaving Lyon needing 3!

    Lyon have a mean defensive record this year. I think they've conceded 8 goals in total in the CL? Might be wrong. Also Bayern aren't exactly a free scoring team. 1-0 and extra time would be what I'd expect.


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  • #277
    Boskowski
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    Prufrock wrote: »
    Lyon have a mean defensive record this year. I think they've conceded 8 goals in total in the CL? Might be wrong. Also Bayern aren't exactly a free scoring team. 1-0 and extra time would be what I'd expect.

    I admit Bayerns forwards have been absolutely awful yesterday, but once the Bayern machine gets rolling they seem to be able to control a game completely. It may not look as flash as the Barca machine, but just as effective in shutting a tie down. I imagine a 1:1 in Lyon or a 2:1 win for Bayern.

    Bayern have been very petulant in this years CL campaign.
    Abysmal for stretches - looking like a team that does not belong there. Then very gritty and resilient showing a 'never give up' attitude at other times. Show me a team that can come back from a 0:3 in Old Trafford.
    Even yesterday - I know it's been awful to look at - they showed they can force a really bad game home and get the result. You just don't know what you're going to get from them.
    I can understand how people find it difficult to rate them with what they've shown. Yet I have a feeling if they continue in this style they're going to win the CL.


  • #278
    Ush1
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    Well, Puel was clearly banking on the return leg in France, I mean that's very clear. I don't know if the bus journeys have anything to do with it but Barca and Lyon appeared visibly tired during the match. Lyon have become a defensive team alot of the team under Puel, especially in the CL, but that was beyond anything. Against Real and Bordeaux they pressed them higher up the pitch. In that game they simply stood off like a training excercise and let Bayern pass around them.

    Think it will, and has to be, different in France.


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