Dublin Bus Network Review

LXFlyer

markpb wrote: »

Where did the buses go when the service was cut on the 4?

They were withdrawn.

LXFlyer

qerty wrote: »

The 76/a/b operates currently from Tallaght (fettercairn/balrothery or the square) to Ballyfermot. Occasionaly some 76s operate to Blanchardstown via Ballyfermot. Believe it or not, the timetables state that all of the 76s operate to blanchardstown at certain times, not just the 76a. I have personally been on a 76B to blanch.

In practice the numbering is now:

Southbound (from either Blanchardstown or West County Hotel):
To Fettercairn - Route 76
To The Square - Route 76a
To Balrothery - Route 76b

Northbound:
To West County Hotel from Fettercairn or The Square - Route 76
To West County Hotel from Balrothery - Route 76b
To Blanchardstown - Route 76a

markpb

lxflyer wrote: »

They were withdrawn.

If the demand is there for buses (and it appears there is), surely they can be un-withdrawn. Most of the time, withdrawn just means abandoned in a corner of Harristown for months until they can be sold.

dynamick

markpb wrote: »

If the demand is there for buses (and it appears there is), surely they can be un-withdrawn. Most of the time, withdrawn just means abandoned in a corner of Harristown for months until they can be sold.

Even if the buses are in a shed waiting to be sold, there would be no free drivers. Dublin Bus went from 1000 to 1300 buses during a period when they reduced passenger numbers. Obviously this is not a good situation and the solution isn't more buses.

If there are empty buses running around the city somewhere at times when the 4 is overloaded then why not transfer some buses from those routes?

RTPI may be helping attract passengers already. I hardly ever used the bus in the past because you never knew when or if it was going to turn up.

SandyfordGuy

They never had anywhere near that many vehicles, I believe the highest they had was just over 1150. Ironically at this time it was widely touted by the Labour party in 2006, when they got 100 new buses, that there was still need for a further 200.

On RTPI, if it works well and is widespread it's great, but it seems that at the moment it's not reasonably accurate in a number of locations, there are very few displays, and in addition some buses simply do not show up or even more frequently, buses turn up which are not even on the displays.

coylemj

dynamick wrote: »

Which service would you cut to transfer buses to the 4?

Merge the 4 and 45 routes, I was amazed when they introduced the No. 4 route and changed the 45 to every 45 minutes, it meant that people living in Clonkeen Road saw a bad service downgraded to complete crap.

At one stage the timetable for the 45 claimed that it ran every 15 minutes but you could be standing at Grange Motors for up to 45 minutes waiting for one. Now that the timetable reflects the actual service, people have more or less given up on it, you hardly see anyone standing at the bus stops and when I see people there I tell them to walk down to Monkstown Ave. where they can pick up a No. 4.

As if the 45 service wasn't bad enough, DB then decided that it would stop at Merrion Sq. which means the people on Clonkeen Road and most of Deansgrange Road have one of the worst bus services in the city - a bus that turns up every 45 minutes if you're lucky and doesn't even go to St. Stephens' Green while a mile up the road is a service (No. 4) that runs every 15 minutes for most of the day and goes all the way across town to IKEA.

LXFlyer

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Finglas-East--Glasnevin--Drumcondra/

<H2>Finglas East / Glasnevin / Drumcondra

Monday, June 13, 2011



Dublin Bus would like to thank customers for feedback received during consultation in the Finglas / Drumcondra areas. Dublin Bus is pleased to announce the revised proposals for services in Finglas East, Glasnevin and Drumcondra. These service changes cover the following existing routes:

Route: 4/11/11a/11b/13/13a/17a/19/19a/83/140/220
Customers should check this website for updates. For further information on service changes, please telephone 01 873 4222 08:30hrs to 18:00hrs Monday to Saturday or e-mail comments to networkdirect@dublinbus.ie.
What does Network Direct mean for you?
Implementation will be on a phased basis, which will provide the above areas with more direct, high frequency and punctual bus services with improved cross city connections.
Implementation will take place on a phased basis throughout Summer 2011. Customers will be informed prior to any changes taking place.
Quicker journey times
Quicker journey times to key destinations including Phibsboro, Drumcondra, O'Connell Street, Dame Street, and St. James's Hospital.


High frequency services

• Route 9 will have peak weekday frequencies of 10 minutes or better
• Rotue 17a will have peak weekday frequencies of 10 minutes or better
• Route 83 will have peak weekday frequencies of 10 minutes of better
• Route 140 will have peak weekday frequencies of 10 minutes or better

Improved connections for customers
Route 13/a will be amalgamated and operate as Route 13. It will provide a high frequency cross city connection between Ballymun and Clondalkin via Balbutcher Lane, DCU, Griffith Avenue, Drumcondra, O'Connell Street, Dame Street, St. James's Hospital, Inchicore, Naas Road, Clondalkin Village and Bawnogue. Journey times will now be significantly improved with trips to/from the city centre from Ballymun no longer operating via the Silloge and Coultry loops.
Route 17a will continue to connect the Finglas/Ballymun area to the Blanchardstown Centre, Connolly Hospital, Beaumont Hospital and Cappagh Hospital.

Route 19a will be renamed Route 9 and will continue to offer cross city connections with improved peak frequencies. It will operate to the city centre via McKee Road, Clune Road, Ballygall Road West, Beneavin Road, Glasnevin Avenue and Ballymun Road (DCU) and will be extended to the Charlestown Shopping Centre offering improved connections for customers.

Route 140 will be extended and offer a full cross city option for customers to Rathmines Road Upper and Palmerston Park. Off peak and weekend services will operate via McKee Avenue and Finglas Village further enhancing the network in the Finglas area.

Route 83 and existing Route 19 will be combined and will be renamed Route 83. Operating from Harristown it will continue to provide a direct link to Dublin Airport Logistics Park and Charlestown Shopping Centre. It will be more direct in the Finglas area operating via Grove Road, Glasanaon Road and Tolka Valley before returning to the current route 83 alignment. It will operate via Church Street and the North/South Quays.
Route 11/a/b will be amalgamated and operate as route 11. All services will operate from the Wadelai area via Ballymun Road, Home Farm Road, Drumcondra, O’Connell Street, Leeson Street, Clonskeagh to Sandyford Industrial Estate.
Route Improvements
Route 13 and 13a will be amalgamated and will be called Route 13. It will operate from Ballymun (IKEA) to Clondalkin (Grange Castle) via Balbutcher Lane, DCU, Griffith Avenue, Drumcondra, Dorset Street, O'Connell Street, Dame Street, St. James's Hospital, Naas Road, Clondalkin Village and Bawnogue. This will provide a much improved cross city connection from both Ballymun and Clondalkin.
Route 17a/220 will be amalgamated and called Route 17a. The first element of this proposal is now in place with the revised Route 17a now operating and offers a more direct link from Kilbarrack, Ballymun and Finglas to The Blanchardstown Centre. It operates every 10 minutes at peak times toward The Blanchardstown Centre in the mornings with a 20 minute service throughout the day. Route 220 will be withdrawn as part of this proposal.
Route 4 now operates with low floor double deck buses offering increased comfort levels and reliability for our customers. It will continue to provide linkages with the South East of the City from the Ballymun Road area.
Route 83 and existing Route 19 will be combined and called Route 83. Operating from Harristown it will access the city centre via Church Street and the North/South Quays. It will continue to operate its current alignment in the South of the City maintaining links to South George's Street, Harold’s Cross, Kimmage and Walkinstown. See full route details below.

Route 19a will be renamed Route 9. It will operate from Charlestown Shopping Centre serving McKee Road, Clune Road, Beneavin Road, Glasnevin Avenue, Ballymun Road, St. Mobhi Road and Phibsboro to the City Centre. It will continue to operate it’s current alignment on the South of the City connecting the Finglas East area with South Great George’s Street, Harold’s Cross and Kimmage.

Route 140 will be extended and offer our customers a direct link to St. Stephen’s Green and Rathmines.

Routing for proposed services as follows
Route 4
Harristown » Ballymun Shopping Centre » Ballymun Road (DCU) » Phibsboro Road » Western Way » O’Connell Street » Merrion Square » Ballsbridge » Blackrock » Monkstown Avenue
Route 13
IKEA » Balbutcher Lane » Ballymun Shopping Centre » Ballymun Road (DCU) » Griffith Avenue >> O’Connell Street » Dame Street » St. James’s Hospital » Inchicore » Naas Road » Woodford Walk » Watery Lane » Clondalkin Village » Convent Road »
Bawnogue » Grange Castle
Route 9
Charlestown Shopping Centre » Charlestown Link Road » Jamestown Road » McKee Road » Ballygall Road West >> Beneavin Road » Glasnevin Avenue » Ballymun Road (DCU) » Phibsboro Road » Western Way » O’Connell Street » Dame Street » South Great George’s Street » Kelly’s Corner » Harold’s Cross » Kimmage Cross Road » Cromwellsfort Road » Limekiln Avenue
Route 83
Harristown >> Dublin Airport Logistics Park >> Charlestown Shopping Centre » Grove Road » Glasanaon Road » Ballygall Road East » Tolka Estate >> Glasnevin Hill » Phibsboro Road » Church Street >> North/South Quays » O’Connell Street » Dame Street » South Great George’s Street » Kelly’s Corner » Rathmines » Kenilworth Park » Sundrive Road » Stanaway Avenue
Route 140
IKEA » Lanesborough » Charlestown Link Road » Charlestown Shopping Centre » St. Margaret’s Road » Finglas Road » Glasnevin Cemetery » Phibsboro Road » Western Way » O’Connell Street » St. Stephen’s Green » Earlsfort Terrace » Rathmines Road Upper

Timetable Changes
All timetables will be redesigned so that they will be more user friendly. Please note that new timetables read from left to right and then line by line as in a book or magazine. Weekdays are given their own column separated by colour. All routes will now have stop-specific departure times at selected locations e.g. Route 9 will have specific departure times from D’Olier Street and Parnell Square West making it easier to plan journeys.

Frequencies
Route Peak Off Peak
4 15 15
13 12 15
17a 10 20
9 10 20
83 10 30
140 10 20

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LXFlyer

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Merrion-Road/

<H2>Merrion Road


Wednesday, June 08, 2011



Dublin Bus would like to thank all its customers for feedback received during consultation on services operating on the Merrion Road QBC. Following an analysis of this feedback, Dublin Bus is pleased to announce the final plans for services on the Merrion Road QBC. These service changes cover the following existing routes:
4/5/7/7a/7b/7d/8/45/45a/59/111
Implementation will take place on a phased basis throughout Summer 2011. Customers will be informed in advance of changes taking place.
What does Network Direct mean for you?
Implementation will commence in Summer 2011 on a phased basis which will provide the Merrion Road QBC with more direct, high frequency and punctual bus services with improved cross city connections. Please click here to view a diagram on services in these areas.
Quicker journey times
Quicker journey times to key destinations including O'Connell Street and St. Stephen’s Green.
High frequency services

• Route 7 will have a peak weekday frequencies of 10 minutes or better
  Improved connections for customers.
• Route 7/a will be amalgamated and called route 7 and will be extended to Mountjoy Square. All trips on amalgamated route 7 will operate from Loughlinstown Park.
• Route 7b will take advantage of the bus priority on the Monkstown Link Road with a peak time service to and from the City.
• Route 4 will continue to connect Monkstown Avenue with Blackrock, Ballsbridge, O’Connell Street, Phibsboro and IKEA.
• Route 111 will connect Dun Laoghaire and Sallynoggin with Loughlinstown Hospital, Cherrywood Business Park & Luas.
• Route 59 will continue to link Mackintosh Park, Killiney and Dalkey with Dun Laoghaire.
• Route 8 will be extended to Mountjoy Square.
• Route 5 will be withdrawn with route 47 providing services from Sandyford to the Ballsbridge and city centre areas.

Route Improvements
Route 7 will operate from Loughlinstown Park and all trips will operate to Mountjoy Square. This will provide improved cross city connections. Journey times will continue to benefit from the priority on the Merrion Road QBC and with Bus Gate in the City Centre. The consistency of intervals between buses will improve for the length of the route as a result of all services operating on the same alignment and at evenly spaced intervals.
Route 4 currently operates from Monkstown Avenue providing connections to Blackrock, Ballsbridge, City Centre, DCU and IKEA
Route 111 will operate from Dun Laoghaire to Cherrywood Business Park providing increased connections for customers to high frequency route 145 on the N11 and Luas. It will operate via Loughlinstown Hospital providing a direct connection between the Hospital and Dun Laoghaire.
Route 8 will be extended to Mountjoy Square with an increase in the number of journeys to and from Dalkey.
Route 59 will be adjusted in Autumn 2011.
Route 7b will provide morning and evening peak journeys via the new Monkstown Link Road providing new connections for the Monksown / Stradbrook areas.
Timetable Changes
All timetables will be redesigned so that they will be easier to understand. Please note that new timetables read from left to right and then line by line as in a book or magazine. Weekdays are given their own column separated by colour. All routes will now have stop-specific departure times at selected locations for e.g. Route 7 will have specific departure times from Blackrock making it easier to plan your journey.
Service Frequencies (Estimates)
Route Peak Off Peak
4 15 15
7 10 15
7b Peak Only
7d Peak Only
8 60 60
45 30 60
45a 30 45
111 45 60

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dynamick

coylemj wrote: »

Merge the 4 and 45 routes,

but how? they go to different places: monkstown farm and bray

At one stage the timetable for the 45 claimed that it ran every 15 minutes but you could be standing at Grange Motors for up to 45 minutes waiting for one. Now that the timetable reflects the actual service, people have more or less given up on it...

the old timetable for the 45 from 1999-2009 was on a 25 min frequency with over 50 buses each way daily.

here's an old timetable from 1999:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000229090243/http://www.dublinbus.ie/timetablelist.asp

the replacement service in July 1999 had half the number of buses.
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/45/

The current service is every 45 mins. The funny thing is that neither old or new service is of any use to me unless travelling from the terminus. A bus on a 25 minute or a 45 minute frequency is completely useless because you know it may not show up for an hour so you would have to allow a spare hour onto every journey for random waiting time. Who can afford to add an hour onto journey times? I'm amazed that anyone uses buses like this.

Howeva, now I can check when the next bus is coming on my computer at work and walk down to the bus stop 5 minutes before it's due.

Cookie_Monster

Route 7 will operate from Loughlinstown Park and all trips will operate to Mountjoy Square.

I don't understand this. Only a few years ago DB started moving buses to serve Cherrywood, because of demand and because of vandalism, the eventual plan wass supposed to have all 7 from there. Why the reversal and resultant loss of connectivity between 7, 84, 45, 145 and Luas

why is the 59 being left till Autumn?

markpb

lxflyer wrote: »

Route 140 will be extended and offer a full cross city option for customers to Rathmines Road Upper and Palmerston Park. Off peak and weekend services will operate via McKee Avenue and Finglas Village further enhancing the network in the Finglas area.

I'm not keen on that. Buses should always follow the same route (where possible). Anything else just confuses customers and confused customers are customers who drive. No-one wants to stand a a bus stop not knowing that it won't be served until the following Monday/Saturday.

LXFlyer

markpb wrote: »

I'm not keen on that. Buses should always follow the same route (where possible). Anything else just confuses customers and confused customers are customers who drive. No-one wants to stand a a bus stop not knowing that it won't be served until the following Monday/Saturday.

There are no stops on the current 140 route missed by doing this, as it operates via the by-pass.

lucernarian

dynamick wrote: »

I haven't noticed this. Here's a quick snapshot of the live times from Nassau Street stop going South:

7 Cherrywood via Ballsbridge 1 Mins
4 Monkstown Avenue via City Centre 4 Mins
7 Loughlinstown via Ballsbridge 11 Mins
7 Loughlinstown via Ballsbridge 16 Mins
7A Mackintosh Park via Ballsbridge 21 Mins
4 Monkstown Avenue via City Centre 22 Mins
7 Loughlinstown via Ballsbridge 26 Mins

7 buses due in the next 25 minutes between the city centre and Ballsbridge/Merrion. How is that insufficient? I am puzzled.

http://www.dublinbuslive.com/index.php?id=405&lastRoute=4

A bit disingenuous when my example was coming FROM Ballsbridge to the city centre. My point was also about how packed the buses can be, not just about scheduling. On more than one occasion I've had to wait 15 minutes for a bus from Mount St at 2 or 3pm on a weekday afternoon, since the 4 has been curtailed. And then the first bus that comes along is too full and you couldn't board unless you got on further up after people got off at Merrion Sq or indeed Clare St.

markpb

lxflyer wrote: »

There are no stops on the current 140 route missed by doing this.

Fair enough in that case but I still think that buses should always follow the same route. Changes of route just worry passengers who think they're on the wrong bus. Some passengers will be annoyed because the bus that they get all week is suddenly taking a diversion into Finglas and taking more time. Passengers who get the bus at the weekend will wondering why it doesn't collect them during the week, etc. If it has to be done, the best way to mitigate this is through incredibly clear communication at all the affected bus stops - something DB have never excelled at.

It's best practice to keep bus routes as simple and consistent as possible. I know this seems like a small change to pick up some low hanging fruit at the weekend but passengers might not see it the same way.

schemingbohemia

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I don't understand this. Only a few years ago DB started moving buses to serve Cherrywood, because of demand and because of vandalism, the eventual plan wass supposed to have all 7 from there. Why the reversal and resultant loss of connectivity between 7, 84, 45, 145 and Luas

why is the 59 being left till Autumn?

I really can't understand the logic of removing one of the few points of integration there is in transport in Dublin, while the 7's Cherrywood terminus isn't as close to the Luas as you'd like it still beggars belief that it's being removed and replaced with a much worse service the 111.

coylemj

coylemj wrote: »

Merge the 4 and 45 routes

dynamick wrote: »

but how? they go to different places: monkstown farm and bray

the old timetable for the 45 from 1999-2009 was on a 25 min frequency with over 50 buses each way daily.

here's an old timetable from 1999:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000229090243/http://www.dublinbus.ie/timetablelist.asp

I looked at the old timetable for the 45, it shows that from roughly 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. the service was scheduled every 15 minutes which was a complete joke, a 30 minutes wait was pretty typical and on one occasion I waited 50 minutes for one outside Grange Motors while losing count of the number of 46As that passed through Deansgrange Cross.

The locals have voted with their feet when it comes to the 45, if you drive up Clonkeen Road you'll hardly see anyone standing at the bus stops. If you live a couple of miles from the terminus, a service that only runs every 45 minutes is useless because 2/3 of the time you will be waiting for over half an hour for a bus and that's assuming they don't cancel some of them which they have a habit doing on that route based on past performance.

patrickbrophy18

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

why is the 59 being left till Autumn?

It says on the website that the 59 route is being adjusted. I don't know what this means exactly. Maybe, it is being turned into a Green Line Luas link. However, I very much doubt this because it already takes 40 minutes to get from Dun Laoghaire to Mackintosh Park with all of the meandering that goes on from A to B. Plus, it is a very indirect route and extending it to the Green Luas line would involve inevitable sacrifices to large chunks of it's alignment which would arouse a huge amount of controversy among the elderly.

Nevertheless, on a more positive note, the 8 is being restored somewhat to an all day service as per the 60 minute off-peak service. Perhaps, this is a trade off for the route 59 adjustments. However, we'll just have to wait and see.:D

qerty

It looks as if DB have abandoned the idea of providing every corridor with at least one 10 minute peak service. Based on the finglas east revised plans, Ballymun and Clondalkin wont have a 10 minute peak service at all.


And no maps????

qerty

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-2/Tallaght-Walkinstown-Crumlin-Road-South-Circular-Road-Pearse-Street-and-Sandymount/

Tallaght revised plans.

the 54a will remain in place.
76 will operate to Ballyfermot from the square.
76a will operate to Blanchardstown from the square.

qerty

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-2/BallymunClondalkin/

Ballymun/Clondalkin revised plans.

Route 68 will operate to the city centre (Hawkins Street) via Cherrywood, Clondalkin Village, Monastery Road, Inchicore, Bulfin Road, South Circular Road, Camden Street and Dame Street.

Route 69 will operate to the city centre (Hawkins Street) from Rathcoole via St John’s Wood, Clondalkin Village, Monastery Road, Inchicore, Con Colbert Road, Parkgate Street and Dame Street.

Route 76 will offer an all day connection between Tallaght, Clondalkin, Neilstown, Liffey Valley, Ballyfermot and Chapelizod.

Route 76a will offer an all day connection between Tallaght, Clondalkin, Neilstown, Liffey Valley, and Blanchardstown.

patrickbrophy18

coylemj wrote: »

RBB needs to adopt credible causes, the case for routing the 46A back through Monkstown Farm has no merit whatsoever.

I couldn't agree with you more coylemj. The 46A re-route up Kill Avenue is an improvement as it knocks between 10-15 minutes off the journey length. The people who live along this road don't seem to realize how short the walk is to Kill Avenue and indeed Monkstown Avenue. The same thing goes for those living along Monkstown Avenue and Abbey Road. Aside from the elderly and disabled living in Monkstown Farm, others living along this road
are incredibly lazy and need to get real. Monkstown Farm isn't the "be-all and end-all" for public transport requirements as the 63 still feeds the residents to the DART, LUAS and the abundance of other bus routes in the area. Furthermore, it is only half a mile in length and incredibly narrow in places. Nevertheless, they have a fantastic transport system in place with the high-frequency 4, 46A, 75, 63, the soon to be 175 and the DART in close walking distance. They'll soon have an hourly 8 bus too. What more could you want?

Rabbitt

Firstly . Does anyone think that DB original ND proposals were ment to be ridiculous amd over the top amd never intended to go ahead with some of the more stupid original plans
eg the 140 running from IKEA to Kiltipper and operating via the N81.
instead they now release routeplans after consultation to look as if they listened to customers and are te great people when the reality is that a route like that proposed would be madness

Also the 77a serving Killinarden and OldBawn Tymon North wi mean the average journey from Citywest to Ringsend will be about 1h 20 mins. Madness.
They would need to have them every 8mins in rush hour
Also the 166 should have been routed via Blessington Road and Westbrook to Citywest.

ro2

Looks like they're determined to remove the 19 from the South Circular Road and Inchicore. Do they think that everyone using a bus wants to go to O'Connell Street?

dazberry

ro2 wrote: »

Looks like they're determined to remove the 19 from the South Circular Road and Inchicore. Do they think that everyone using a bus wants to go to O'Connell Street?

I use(d?) both the 19 and 68, the merits of both are completely lost on the 68 being the consolation prize for the removal of the 19

D.

thomasj

Seriously these people need to seriously look at the route numbering system when sorting these routes:

- 77a is no longer needed now that the 77 is merging with the 27, make that the 77!

- the 76s should be following the 75 new route structure with the 76 covering the orbital (blanch tallaght) and 176 covering local (ballyfermot)

-now that the 40 is merging with the 78a the 40d should be renumbered, maybe 36 (in line with the local 236 service)

- whats the point in having the 51d when there is no 51, 51a, 51b, 51c? Either it should become a suffixed 13 route or at least rename it the 51!

They have made some good changes with regards to route numbering so far (9, 40, 79) but they are still making the odd mistake!

ILBondo

If i lived in City West i would be livid with Dublin Bus right now, they have pulled two direct routes the 65B and 50 and replaced them with one that sends them on a huge detour all the way into town via Killinarden, Oldbawn and Tymon. The high frequency wont compensate for the fact that this adds up to 30 minutes on to the journey they are used to. Network Direct FAIL.

ILBondo

http://www.petitiononline.com/Bus74/petition.html its seems there is a petition launched in relation to the 74 bus service.

CIE

qerty wrote: »

Tallaght revised plans.

the 54a will remain in place.
76 will operate to Ballyfermot from the square.
76a will operate to Blanchardstown from the square.

That's nice. How come they couldn't consider amalgamating the 77A and 27A though? What's good for the goose, et cetera.

And why is the 19A to become the 9?? If anything, that's the number that the 46A should have gotten, when it got extended to the Phoenix Park. (Either that, or finally call it the 46.) Way too many alpha suffixes.

thomasj wrote: »

Seriously these people need to seriously look at the route numbering system when sorting these routes:

• 77A is no longer needed now that the 77 is merging with the 27; make that the 77!
• the 76s should be following the 75 new route structure with the 76 covering the orbital (blanch tallaght) and 176 covering local (ballyfermot)
• now that the 40 is merging with the 78A the 40D should be renumbered, maybe 36 (in line with the local 236 service)
• whats the point in having the 51D when there is no 51, 51A, 51B, 51C? Either it should become a suffixed 13 route or at least rename it the 51!

They have made some good changes with regards to route numbering so far (9, 40, 79) but they are still making the odd mistake!

I agree with that for the most part; those are good ideas, but apart from familiarity, the 76 series needs perhaps more cleanup than that.

I'd add, however, that the 54A should become the 54 finally; the original 54 operating via Kimmage Road West, Cromwell's Fort Road and Greenhills Road is long gone, having been replaced by the 77A back in the 90s. Also, I think the 51D (no matter what number it would retain) should become an all-day local bus service. (I used to think, and still do, that there should have been a bus service running between Clondalkin and the city centre via Ballyfermot as well.)

So how many bus routes does this leave us with that have no number assigned? So far, no number 6, 12, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 28, 30, 34, 35, 36, 46, 48, 52, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 62, 64, 71, 72, 80, 81, 82, 86, 87, 88, 89, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, ad nauseam...how many alpha suffixes can be summarily eliminated right now?

Rabbitt

DB have shafted Citywest residents . They will say because of the LUAS that they are right to do it. The way they have re routed the 77a no one will want to get that bus and waste 90 mins.

LXFlyer

ro2 wrote: »

Looks like they're determined to remove the 19 from the South Circular Road and Inchicore. Do they think that everyone using a bus wants to go to O'Connell Street?

The numbers using the 19 are not exactly high on the southside - under these proposals the 122 will serve the SCR between Kellys Corner and Rialto and the entire route 19 will be covered by the 68 (albeit at a lower frequency).

People want to have their cake and eat it, and frankly all of these areas that are protesting will still have a bus service albeit at a lower frequency but one that matches the levels of demand.

As it is the 19 and 19a operate virtually in tandem between Harts Corner and Leonards Corner which is overkill.