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Its right beside the Artane Beaumont Family Recreation Centre.....:rolleyes:
Ah yes, the wonderful A.B.F.R.C. Ltd., also know locally as the Reck and is right across the road from the Artaine Castle S.C. Both I can safely say are in Artane and not Beaumont which BAC thinks the area is called for some reason.
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Cookie_Monster: But it said overall passenger numbers using the 19 were very low, with an average of four users at off-peak times and eight at peak times.
Correct and right C_M,however bare statistics as put forward by DB in earlier elements of Network Direct turned out to be a less than sound basis for the changes first implemented.
I would take the quoted stats on the 19 route with a very large pinch of inquisitive salt before asking all manner of qualifying questions as to the nature of Peak vs Off-Peak,the locations where the observations were made,the days and times of the observations and the service level pertaining at the time of the observations....sometimes it's whats omitted from these Statistical adventures that is of the greater importance....
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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Correct and right C_M,however bare statistics as put forward by DB in earlier elements of Network Direct turned out to be a less than sound basis for the changes first implemented.
I would take the quoted stats on the 19 route with a very large pinch of inquisitive salt before asking all manner of qualifying questions as to the nature of Peak vs Off-Peak,the locations where the observations were made,the days and times of the observations and the service level pertaining at the time of the observations....sometimes it's whats omitted from these Statistical adventures that is of the greater importance....
Alek; as a passenger who's area was served by the 19 I have used it over the years and 4 passengers off peak isn't that far off the mark. I gave up on it and the 122 for getting into and out of town as a rule, especially in the evenings as it was always caught up in the taxi go slow that was Camden Street-Georges Street, instead opting for the reliable 121 or a Cork Street bus. Indeed the 121 was so quick I could text drinking buddies to order a pint of stout as I boarded and it would have me into town from the SCR in the time it took the pint to be poured, settled and paid for. And yet, the 121 would literally run empty at night, locals preferring to either walk in, taxi or chance their arms on Cork Street. Peak time, the 19 and 122 were very much a slow boat; a 121 would be quicker in spite of the longer wait.0 -
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Cookie_Monster wrote: »more political interference and general nonsense re ND
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...passenger numbers using the 19 were very low, with an average of four users at off-peak times and eight at peak times.
seems a sensible enough reason to me for cutting it...
Equine excrement.
I get the 19 northbound almost every day towards the end of or in the hours following the evening peak, usually between 19:00 and 21:00 from Camden St. to Ballygall. I have never seen it travelling on this section with fewer than 20 passengers* and although it's never packed to the roof either, it's sometimes over half full. That's not bad for an off-peak load, no? Maybe they didn't know there is an upper deck on the 19 buses.
* The exception being the single run between Westmoreland St., where the majority of the passengers originating on the southern leg alight, and O' Connell St., where a large number of passengers heading northbound board the bus.
Although it's cutting my bus choices in half, I can't say I'm surprised that it's being canned, given that the northern part of the route is so similar to the 83. What I'm amazed at is the pathetic attempt to justify it on figures that are at least as flawed as the misleading loading figures at DCU that were offered as a reason to kill the 11's. Instead of having a lad at one stop for twenty minutes with a clipboard in one hand and his belly in the other, maybe they'd consider something novel like using the camera footage that shows the actual bus loading throughout the journey. It would be approaching trivial to get a bit of software coded that could do image processing at the person/no-person level, especially if it's only being targeted at low-load buses with clear sight-lines due to few standing passengers.0 -
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backboiler wrote: »Bad as it is, and Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights (in increasing order) it IS bad; 20-30 minutes for that few hundred metre section is not unusual, that part is just busy and narrow as opposed to there being a major problem with illegal PSV parking. The carry-on of forming a sometimes-double line from the Central Bank back as far as the right-hand turn on Dame St. doesn't help and the variable but constant pair of pricks that sit between the Fleet St. turn and the 2/3/13/19/83 bus stop on Westmoreland St. are what gets me.
Perhaps it's worth opening a thread on this broader topic,as I,for one,consider it to be one of the greatest impediments to ANY form of structured Public Transport in Dublin.
It's of little value pointing to individual locations where Taxi Drivers now openly flaunt the Road Traffic Act in addition to several PSV related regulations.
The situation has been allowed to spiral completely out of control over a protracted length of time,broadly in line with the appointment of a Taxi "Regulator".
One of the glaring realities is this Office and it's various holders to date,has proven spectacularly unfit for purpose and has effectively led to the demise of any structure or order within the industry.
The role of the Garda Carriage Office as the regulatory and enforcement body on the Taxi industry simply disappeared with the same totally predictable result one might see if the locks on a Lunatic asylum were left open.
At the very least there is urgent need to re-establish the Garda Carriage Office as the "actual" oversight authority on the ground.
I would immediately end the contract of the current Taxi Regulator as well as appointing a deputy Garda Commissioner on secondment to deal exclusively with Operational Issues within the Industry.
I would immediately introduce a simplified shift-rota to end the free-for-all which is damaging not alone the Taxi Industry,but Dublin City's entire image as a place where one can have confidence in the public/private-hire service available.
At it's most basic the principle that EVERY Taxi driver can bring his/her cab into the City Centre and ply for trade on EVERY day/night cannot be sustained whilst there are upwards of 19,000 wishing to do so.....can't work,won't work...so deal with it.
I thoroughly support and applaud the actions of St James Hospital in closing the Hospital campus to through-traffic in the face of thuggery and violence between various factions of the Taxi industry.
The Hospital was left with taking the only choice available to it,which was lock them out,a simplistic process,BUT one which has had the desired effect.
Whether we have any Public Administrators willing to uphold their own laws and regulations remains to be seen,but In the meantime the chaos continues unabated.
Just watch the Grafton St/Suffolk St Junction and Pedestrian Crossing on any given day......:(
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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backboiler wrote: »Cookie_Monster wrote: »more political interference and general nonsense re ND
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...passenger numbers using the 19 were very low, with an average of four users at off-peak times and eight at peak times.
seems a sensible enough reason to me for cutting it...
Equine excrement.
I get the 19 northbound almost every day towards the end of or in the hours following the evening peak, usually between 19:00 and 21:00 from Camden St. to Ballygall. I have never seen it travelling on this section with fewer than 20 passengers* and although it's never packed to the roof either, it's sometimes over half full. That's not bad for an off-peak load, no? Maybe they didn't know there is an upper deck on the 19 buses.
* The exception being the single run between Westmoreland St., where the majority of the passengers originating on the southern leg alight, and O' Connell St., where a large number of passengers heading northbound board the bus.
Although it's cutting my bus choices in half, I can't say I'm surprised that it's being canned, given that the northern part of the route is so similar to the 83. What I'm amazed at is the pathetic attempt to justify it on figures that are at least as flawed as the misleading loading figures at DCU that were offered as a reason to kill the 11's. Instead of having a lad at one stop for twenty minutes with a clipboard in one hand and his belly in the other, maybe they'd consider something novel like using the camera footage that shows the actual bus loading throughout the journey. It would be approaching trivial to get a bit of software coded that could do image processing at the person/no-person level, especially if it's only being targeted at low-load buses with clear sight-lines due to few standing passengers.
And would you have 20+ on the 83 at the same times? I doubt it.
You have the problem of two very similar routes operating at similar frequencies with low numbers. Does that justify retaining both or do you merge them?
The northern end of the northside half 19 will still be covered by the 9, while virtually all of the rest of the northside half will be covered by the 83.
I don't really see what the big issue with these changes are.0 -
Perhaps it's worth opening a thread on this broader topic,as I,for one,consider it to be one of the greatest impediments to ANY form of structured Public Transport in Dublin.
It's of little value pointing to individual locations where Taxi Drivers now openly flaunt the Road Traffic Act in addition to several PSV related regulations.
The situation has been allowed to spiral completely out of control over a protracted length of time,broadly in line with the appointment of a Taxi "Regulator".
One of the glaring realities is this Office and it's various holders to date,has proven spectacularly unfit for purpose and has effectively led to the demise of any structure or order within the industry.
The role of the Garda Carriage Office as the regulatory and enforcement body on the Taxi industry simply disappeared with the same totally predictable result one might see if the locks on a Lunatic asylum were left open.
At the very least there is urgent need to re-establish the Garda Carriage Office as the "actual" oversight authority on the ground.
I would immediately end the contract of the current Taxi Regulator as well as appointing a deputy Garda Commissioner on secondment to deal exclusively with Operational Issues within the Industry.
I would immediately introduce a simplified shift-rota to end the free-for-all which is damaging not alone the Taxi Industry,but Dublin City's entire image as a place where one can have confidence in the public/private-hire service available.
At it's most basic the principle that EVERY Taxi driver can bring his/her cab into the City Centre and ply for trade on EVERY day/night cannot be sustained whilst there are upwards of 19,000 wishing to do so.....can't work,won't work...so deal with it.
I thoroughly support and applaud the actions of St James Hospital in closing the Hospital campus to through-traffic in the face of thuggery and violence between various factions of the Taxi industry.
The Hospital was left with taking the only choice available to it,which was lock them out,a simplistic process,BUT one which has had the desired effect.
Whether we have any Public Administrators willing to uphold their own laws and regulations remains to be seen,but In the meantime the chaos continues unabated.
Just watch the Grafton St/Suffolk St Junction and Pedestrian Crossing on any given day......:(
Is all of this not down to a lack of any Garda enforcement? Apart from flashing the blue lights at taxi drivers when they can be bothered at the bottom of Grafton Street I have never seen any intervention by Garda on Georges Street/Dame Street.
I think blaming the Taxi Regulator for applying the rules as they are is unfair. Blaming people who turn to taxi driving whilst ignoring the simple economic truth of supply and demand would seem more appropriate.0 -
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Cookie_Monster wrote: »whatever happened to our old topic starter, KC61?
I have a feeling he was getting tired of constantly repeating himself with trying to answer questions from confused bus users.
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Cookie_Monster wrote: »whatever happened to our old topic starter, KC61?
Have a feeling, he is back here under another alias 0 -
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