Dublin Bus Network Review

Sulmac

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Does this now mean that 46a will stop at these locations if running early and not depart until the correct time?

Hopefully, and put an end to the awful practice of "leapfrogging".

Goonerette

KC61 wrote: »

New Timetables:

Route 4:
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/4-Revised-Times/

The 4 has been gutted. :eek: Hourly frequency on Sundays, down from existing 20 mins.

Pigwidgeon

Oh jaysus, the 84 goes such a roundabout way now!

KD345

Route 4 has been badly reduced. It's gone from a 10/20 minute Sunday frequency to being hourly!

Stevek101

The 4 has been gutted. Hourly frequency on Sundays, down from existing 20 mins.

Probably due to the fact that all the bendy's bus are being withdrawn by the end of the month. The 4a is no longer operational too.

TheChrisD

thomasj wrote: »

The blanchardstown network direct map is not opening.

Wonder has there been an update?

I think so. Reading the Blanch FAQ's and they seem to have been updates to mention that the 220 is staying, the 237 is being axed, and the buses will now go to Baggot St, instead of to Wilton Terrace.

KD345 wrote: »

Route 4 has been badly reduced. It's gone from a 10/20 minute Sunday frequency to being hourly!

Yup, the 4's been gutted massively. Although there is still hope that they just forgot to put the 4A timetable up as well... Slim chance though

schemingbohemia

is having the 145 and 46a both serving essentially the same route between Foxrock and Westmoreland St at high frequency (every 10 minutes) not a serious case of overkill? it's actually improving the best served route in the city.
I welcome the 145 going on to Heuston as that's a great link between Belfield and Heuston but the mirroring of services if they're not staggered seems mental. If the AVLS/RTPI leads to a 5 minute interval between both with a 10 minute interval between each service (ie 46a->5mins->145->5mins->46a etc) then fair enough but that won't be rolled out until next year.

thomasj

I'm hoping they haven't axed the 17a between finglas and blanch as a result of the reprieve of the 220 service

KC61

Update on Lucan QBC - note these changes are NOT taking place as yet:

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-1/Lucan/Lucan-FAQs/

Lucan/North Kildare FAQ'sLucan FAQs

Will Route 25x continue to operate from Dodsboro?
Yes and Route 25x will be extended to UCD, Belfield.

Will Route 25x continue to operate from South Lucan?
Route 25x will be replaced by Route 25a and Route 25b. These routes have been designed to provide a simple, high frequency peak and all day service and will cover all the areas currently served by Route 25x (e.g. Superquinn Lucan, Finnstown, Adamstown, Foxborough, Griffeen Avenue). There will be a 10 minute frequency of service at peak times on each route. The two routes will operate the same route to Leeson Street Bridge (Wilton Terrace) in the City Centre from Foxborough where buses will operate at 5 minute intervals.

Route 25a will operate on the current route to Palmerstown and will operate from Palmerstown via the Chapelizod bypass to Leeson Street Bridge (Wilton Terrace).

Route 25b will operate from Adamstown via Lock Road, Esker Drive, Griffeen Avenue, Foxborough and Outer Ring Road to The Penny Hill Pub. It will then operate the same route as Route 25a via Chapelizod bypass to Leeson Street Bridge (Wilton Terrace).

Route 25a and 25b will take advantage of the recent improvements to the Lucan Quality Bus Corridor (QBC) and travel on the Chapelizod bypass giving faster journey times to the City Centre.

What fares will apply on Route 25a and 25b?
Regular fares will apply on these routes.

Will Route 25 continue to operate?
Yes. Route 25 will remain on its current route from Dodsboro to the City Centre and will be extended to Leeson Street Bridge (Wilton Terrace). The timetable for this service will be improved with even departure intervals.

Will Route 151 continue to operate from Adamstown?
Route 151 will be replaced in Adamstown by Route 25b which will operate from Adamstown via Lock Road, Esker Drive, Griffeen Avenue, Foxborough, The Penny Hill Pub, then Chapelizod bypass to Leeson Street Bridge (Wilton Terrace). Route 151 will terminate at Balgaddy Road (Foxborough) when interchange with 25sa and 25b will be available. It will continue to serve Grange Castle Business Park.

Will Route 26 continue to operate?
Yes. Route 26 will operate from Upper Kennelsfort Road (Palmerstown Cemetery) via Ballyfermot Road, Kylemore Road, Chapelizod, South Circular Road, St. John’s Road, North Quays, D’Olier Street, St. Stephen’s Green to Leeson Street Bridge (Wilton Terrace).

Will Route 66 continue to operate?
Yes. Route 66 will operate on its current alignment to the City Centre and be extended to Leeson Street Bridge (Wilton Terrace). The extension serving Meadowbrook will take place at a later stage.

Will Route 66 still serve Kilcock?
Route 66 will no longer serve Kilcock. Alternative services for passengers wishing to travel to and from Kilcock will be provided by Bus Éireann’s service from Enfield to the City Centre which serves Kilcock. Rail services are also provided by Irish Rail.

Will Route 67 change?
Yes. Route 67 and 67a will operate from Maynooth as one Route, Route 67. Route number 67a will no longer be used. Route 67 will operate as presently from its current terminus in Maynooth to the city centre and be extended to Leeson Street (Wilton Terrace). The proposed new terminus for Route 67 at Moyglare Hall will be introduced in a later phase.

Chuchoter

Still no bus to castleknock from lucan/maynooth area oh well
I hope they put a time between 5 and 9 oclock on the sunday 25 though

KC61

Update on Blanchardstown QBC - Again these are NOT taking place just yet:

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-1/Blanchardstown/Blanchardstown-FAQs/

Will Route 220 continue to operate?
Yes. The timetable will be revised but the route will remain unchanged. As part of our consultation in the Finglas area revised proposals for route 220 will be examined.

Will Route 38 and Route 38a continue to operate?
Yes. Routes 38 and 38a will operate from Damastown to Baggott Street (Waterloo Road). Both routes will travel on the current route 38a alignment from Damastown to Snugborough Road via Castlecurragh and Corduff.

At all times route 38 will operate via Blanchardstown, Castleknock and Auburn Avenue

At all times route 38a will operate via Blanchardstown bypass

Both routes will be extended to Baggot Street (Waterloo Road) providing a more direct service to the City Centre with a high frequency service of 10 minutes at peak times

The timetables will be changed on both routes.

What will be the routing of Route 39 and Route 39a?
Route 39 will operate from Ongar via Hazelbury Park, Rosedale, Manorfields, Latchford, Ravenwood and Allendale estates before passing Clonsilla Railway Station. It will then serve the Hartstown/Huntstown loop, the Blanchardstown Centre, Clonsilla Road, Blanchardstown Village and Navan Road to Baggott Street (Waterloo Road).

The redesigned Route 39a will operate from Ongar to UCD Belfield via St. Stephen’s Green but will include Hazelbury Park, Rosedale, Manorfields, Latchford, Ravenwood and Allendale. It will also operate on the new Ongar Link Road operating via Hartstown/Huntstown and the Blanchardstown Centre but will travel on the N3, bypassing Blanchardstown village which will save up to 20 minutes per trip for customers travelling from Ongar/West Blanchardstown into the City Centre. The customers in these areas will now have access to up to 100 trips a day each way with bus departures every 10 minutes at peak times.

Will Route 39x continue to operate?
Route 39x will be combined with Route 39/a outlined above.

What fares will apply on Route 39 and 39a?
Regular fares will apply on these routes.

Will route 37 operate to Blanchardstown Centre?
It is proposed to extend the service to Blanchardstown Centre. However this is subject to approval which has been deferred.

Will route 37 change its route in the City Centre?
Yes, route 37 will terminate at Baggott Street (Waterloo Road). It will operate via St. Stephen’s Green, Merrion Row and Baggott Street heading toward Waterloo Road. When operating toward Carpenterstown (Blanchardstown Road South) it will operate via Baggott Street, Pembroke Street, Leeson Street (passing CUS), St. Stephen’s Green.

Will route 37x continue to operate?
Route 37x will be amalgamated into the revised route 37 service.

What service will operate from Tyrrelstown?
Tyrrelstown will continue to be served by Route 40d and a local service will be provided by Route 238 to the Blanchardstown Centre and Mulhuddart. Route 40d’s alignment will be adjusted to offer faster journey times to the City Centre. This will occur later in 2010 as part of the Finglas area consultation.

Will a local service continue to operate in the Blanchardstown area?
Yes.

Route 270 will operate from Dunboyne to Blanchardstown Centre via Littlepace. The routing will remain the same. A new timetable will be introduced.

Route 236 will operate from The Blanchardstown Centre to Blanchardstown Corporate Park via Snugborough Road and Blanchardstown Road North. As at present it will operate anti clockwise in the morning peak and clockwise in the evening peak in order to minimise journey times.

What services will operate to Littlepace?
Route 70 and Route 270 will serve Littlepace on all journeys. A revised timetable will be introduced to deliver more regular departures. Route 270 will operate an hourly frequency of service. These services will operate all day to Littlepace, and all day at the weekend, linking Littlepace and Dunboyne with the Blanchardstown Centre (270) and City Centre (70).

What way will Route 70 operate to the City?
Route 70 will travel from Dunboyne to Littlepace and via the Blanchardstown bypass and the N3 to the City Centre terminating at Baggott Street (Waterloo Road). It will have regular fares stopping at all stops en route as required. Route numbers 70x, 70a, 70b will no longer apply.

Will Mulhuddart Village have a bus service?
Yes. Route 238 and 220 will serve Mulhuddart. Route 238 will connect Lady’s Well and Mulhuddart with Blanchardstown Centre, Ballycoolin and Tyrrelstown. Route 220 will continue to operate as per current alignment connecting Lady’s Well, Mulhuddart, Hartstown, Blanchardstown Centre, Connolly Hospital, Corduff, Ballycoolin, Cappagh Hospital, Finglas South & Ballymun. Timetables will be revised on these services.

Will route 237 continue to operate?
No. This route will be withdrawn.

devnull

Looks like we've seen a huge amount of changes since the last publication, with no time for people to have their say on the new changes.

It is good to see that once again, Dublin Bus have kept their promises about given at least two weeks notice, as in the past they have still learnt nothing from giving people little notice, despite the fact they would claim it would be different time time.

Route 4 is a huge success and has been my lifeline for many years as the drivers on the 7 generally won't stop southbound from the city centre if there are more people at the stop standing than there is space on the bus, even if the bus has space for say 30-40 people more.

The bendys being on the 4 have been of great benefit to stop this happening when a 7 goes flying past you in morning peak on te way out of the city centre and the 7 does the same in reverse in the evening peak where you can be waiting near the schoolhouse for ages for a 7 to stop.

Very disappointed.

Bazzer2

thomasj wrote: »

So the lucky folks around the Phoenix park/phibsboro area will have both the 10 and the 46a for a while?

Looks like it:

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-1/Stillorgan/Stillorgan-FAQs/

• Will Route 10 continue to operate?
Route 10 will continue to operate as usual for the current time, but will be reviewed at a later stage of the Network Direct project.

KC61

Other Stillorgan Information:
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-1/Stillorgan/Stillorgan-FAQs/

Stillorgan/ North Wicklow FAQ'sStillorgan/Dún Laoghaire

Route 46a will be extended to the Phoenix Park (Infirmary Road) via the Mater Hospital, Phibsboro and the North Circular Road along the current Route 10 alignment from St. Stephen’s Green. The route will be more direct and will operate on the new Kill Avenue/Kill Lane Quality Bus Corridor (QBC) and will use the Stillorgan bypass at all times. The updated routing will lead to an improvement in journey times of 15 minutes and will ensure an average journey time of less than 55 minutes from Dún Laoghaire to the City Centre. The reviewed Route 46a will operate with a frequency of 10 minutes or better during the daytime and will provide a link to the Mater Hospital and the new National Children’s Hospital for customers living on the Southside of Dublin. In addition to this Route 46a will provide a link between the Red and Green Luas lines.

*Route 39a will operate from UCD Belfield to Ongar via Waterloo Road and Baggot Street (i.e. the current Route 10 alignment on the south of the city) with a frequency of 10 minutes or better during the daytime. This route enhancement will occur in October, see www.dublinbus.ie for more details.

• How will Monkstown Farm be served?
Route 63 will operate from Dún Laoghaire to Kilternan every 30 minutes serving Abbey Road, Monkstown Farm, Monkstown Avenue, Oliver Plunkett Road and Mounttown Road Lower. It will also provide a link to the N11, Cornelscourt Shopping Centre, Carrickmines Shopping Centre and the Luas at Carrickmines. Dublin Bus will monitor this new service very closely in the initial stages and will adjust the frequency in line with demand.

Dublin Bus realises that there is also a demand from the western side of Monkstown Farm to travel to the City Centre, and therefore the proposed extension of Route 4 to Monkstown Avenue (Blue Pool) will ensure that this link remains. Route 4 will operate every 15 minutes on weekdays and will provide new linkages to Blackrock, St. Vincent’s University Hospital and Ballsbridge using the most direct and fastest route to the City Centre. It will then continue onwards to DCU and IKEA.

Customers wishing to travel on Route 46a will have buses operating from Dún Laoghaire to the Phoenix Park (Infirmary Road) via Mounttown Road Lower, Kill Avenue and Kill Lane, N11 QBC, the City Centre, the Mater Hospital and the North Circular Road.

Orbital Routes 75 and 175 will also serve this area. These routes are not included in Phase One of the Network Direct project.

• Will Route 145 continue to operate?
Route 145 service will continue to operate from Kilmacanogue to the City Centre. This improved service will now operate via Bray Main Street giving a saving of 10 minutes. Route 145 will now operate down the City Quays and terminate at Heuston Rail Station. The changes to Route 145 will result in improved journey times for passengers, with consistent intervals between departures and provide a connection point to Heuston Rail Station. Due to the service developments, journey times from Bray to the City Centre will now average 55 minutes.

Route 145 will replace the current Route 92 and will provide a link from Heuston Rail Station to the Southside of the City. The updated Route 145 will operate every 10 minutes on weekdays until 21.00hrs and then every 20 minutes until 23.20hrs. The service will operate 7 days a week.

The rail ‘add-on’ ticket that was previously offered on Route 92 will continue to be offered on Route 145 as far as Leeson Street. Standard fares will apply to any stage after Leeson Street.

• What service will link Sandyford, Mount Merrion and the City Centre?
The updated Route 47 will now travel all day to the City Centre and provide a link between Belarmine, Sandyford Industrial Estate, Stillorgan Shopping Centre, Mount Merrion, Nutley Lane, St. Vincent’s University Hospital and Ballsbridge to the City Centre (Pearse Street).

Route 46b will be amalgamated into Route 47.

• Will Route 84/x operate to the City Centre?
Route 84x will continue to operate on its current routing giving a direct Xpresso service to the City Centre from Newcastle, Kilcoole Greystones and Bray at peak times. The 84x from Newtownmountkennedy will no longer operate. An alternative service option from Bus Éireann, Route 133, is available.

Route 84 will operate from Newcastle to UCD Belfield via Bray DART Station and Cherrywood Luas Stop and Stillorgan Village. These locations will provide onward connections to other Dublin Bus, Luas and DART services.

• Will Nitelink be affected?
Nitelink will remain unchanged at this stage.

• Routes 46x and 746 will no longer operate
Customers can take the high frequency Route 46a to the city Centre and then change to Routes 41, 16a or Airlink for the airport,

• Will Route 10 continue to operate?
Route 10 will continue to operate as usual for the current time, but will be reviewed at a later stage of the Network Direct project. Check www.dublinbus.ie for updates.

devnull

Surely the sensible thing to do with the 10 from when the 46a starts serving Phoenix Park is to just run the southside leg of things until it is merged with the 39 at a later date?

Irony about this project being about saving money and avoiding duplication and the first thing they do is cause duplication by having a huge increase in buses in area which is already very frequent.

thomasj

Did anyone see on the blanchardstown faqs that the approval needed for the 37 to be extended to the blanchardstown centre has been deferred?

Nevyn

thomasj wrote: »

Did anyone see on the blanchardstown faqs that the approval needed for the 37 to be extended to the blanchardstown centre has been deferred?

There are competition issues if the stop is moved closer to the shopping centre as the urbus runs the route from castle knock via the centre and on to swords.

patrickbrophy18

I suppose the finalised Stillorgan/North Wicklow map doesn't look all that bad. I can see how the connections will make sense. It is good to see that it is finally being introduced in the next 5 days. I see that the Blanchardstown and Lucan areas are still laying idle in this project. I would assume that they will be introduced not too long after the Stillorgan/North Wicklow part comes into effect. Someone here mentioned that the Rock Road QBC will be part of the next few phases. Who heard about this and what routes will be examined?

thomasj

Thaedydal wrote: »

There are competition issues if the stop is moved closer to the shopping centre as the urbus runs the route from castle knock via the centre and on to swords.

True, but is the 238 following a urbus route to tyrrelstown?

KC61

schemingbohemia wrote: »

is having the 145 and 46a both serving essentially the same route between Foxrock and Westmoreland St at high frequency (every 10 minutes) not a serious case of overkill? it's actually improving the best served route in the city.
I welcome the 145 going on to Heuston as that's a great link between Belfield and Heuston but the mirroring of services if they're not staggered seems mental. If the AVLS/RTPI leads to a 5 minute interval between both with a 10 minute interval between each service (ie 46a->5mins->145->5mins->46a etc) then fair enough but that won't be rolled out until next year.

I am not quite sure how you can stagger one service that operates every 7-8 minutes and another that is every 10 minutes - it is mathematically not possible!!

From my experience of the loadings on that QBC I would say that you would need the two routes at those frequencies. That is the same frequency during the day as there currently is, more or less, but with a reduction of the evening peak service.

KC61

devnull wrote: »

Looks like we've seen a huge amount of changes since the last publication, with no time for people to have their say on the new changes.

It is good to see that once again, Dublin Bus have kept their promises about given at least two weeks notice, as in the past they have still learnt nothing from giving people little notice, despite the fact they would claim it would be different time time.

Route 4 is a huge success and has been my lifeline for many years as the drivers on the 7 generally won't stop southbound from the city centre if there are more people at the stop standing than there is space on the bus, even if the bus has space for say 30-40 people more.

The bendys being on the 4 have been of great benefit to stop this happening when a 7 goes flying past you in morning peak on te way out of the city centre and the 7 does the same in reverse in the evening peak where you can be waiting near the schoolhouse for ages for a 7 to stop.

Very disappointed.

I am surprised at the reduction in the 4 - a very odd decision. I would agree that the route has been very successful and this seems to fly in the face of that.

However, they could go on and on consulting till the cows come home. Does having one week's notice make that much difference than two?

KC61

devnull wrote: »

Surely the sensible thing to do with the 10 from when the 46a starts serving Phoenix Park is to just run the southside leg of things until it is merged with the 39 at a later date?

Irony about this project being about saving money and avoiding duplication and the first thing they do is cause duplication by having a huge increase in buses in area which is already very frequent.

That would involve having to redesign driver rosters, timetables etc for what might be only a few weeks while the remaining issues with the Phibsboro routes get sorted out (I am assuming that they will be resolved reasonably quickly).

I think the point had come where they had got agreement with the NTA and drivers for the implementation of the changes for the N11 corridor and decided to get on with it rather than waiting ad nauseum.

AlekSmart

I believe that it`s only now with the actual changes being belatedly flagged that people are starting to see the enormity of this project.

What is bothering me is why this was not appreciated by ALL concerned at a far earlier point in proceedings and the appropriate mechanisms engaged to fully market these to the Public Transport user.

The Network Direct principle could and should be grasped as an opportunity to push the Public Transport system to an entirely new group of user,and in doing so to fill the void left by the departed Foreign National workers who were entirely at one with the principle of Public Transport.

Fintan O Toole,writing in the Irish Times at the inception of Network Direct,did express his reservation along the lines of how reducing the fleet by 90 buses and 150 drivers could ever manage to result in an overall improvement,a question whichj still remains unanswered in reality.

At the end of the day Network Direct remains a response to a report essentially focused upon financial and accountancy targets,with the actual provision of a Public Transport service remaining a spin-off of this hunger for "efficiency".

I note ,for example,Devnulls post....

Route 4 is a huge success and has been my lifeline for many years as the drivers on the 7 generally won't stop southbound from the city centre if there are more people at the stop standing than there is space on the bus, even if the bus has space for say 30-40 people more.

Unfortunately I have seen situations such as this and it is one of the reasons why a Bus company would employ a Stance-Inspector at busy locations.

However the current fashion is for the withdrawal of these Inspectors in favour of electronic control mechanisms,a process which is at best only partially successful.

One stop in particular stands out.

The very busy 4 & 7 shared stop at Grafton St/Trinity Wall which attracts large numbers of passengers travelling on the Rock Road corridor.

Here we have a location which has been totally ignored by all elements in Dublin`s Public Transport and in recent times this surrender has become even more apparent as the illegal Taxi parking adds to a hugely increased danger risk for all users.

Dublin City Council does not require the services of mssrs Deloitte to show them how dangerous this spot has now become,consequent on the Councils failure to maintain the traffic flow in a safe manner.

Instead,the Council prevails with it`s quite obviously negligent view,which sees Long Dwell City Tour stops and Urban/Airport Coach Set-Down stops sharing kerb-space with some of Dublin`s busiest stage-carriage Bus services all using a Dickensian Cash-Fare collection system more appropriate to Joycean times than the 21st Century.

It is not quite normal for this section of Grafton Street to be completely blocked to through traffic by an assortment of Red Bus Tour,Green Bus Tour,Aircoach,Urban Coach and an articulated number 4 or two and a static line of parked Taxicab`s.

The location is covered by more cameras than Cecil B de Mille had access to,yet nobody in authority appears willing or able to actually do something to solve a problem which need never have occurred had they being paying bloody attention in the first place.

This lack of the simplest appreciation of public transport operating requirements,which appears to be prevalent still,makes something of a mockery of attempting to impliment such a major change programme in infrastructure.

I look at the PR descriptions of,for example,the "new" 63 route linking Kilternan and Dun Laoghaire.

Lots of soft-focus puffery about the maintenance of a service through Monkstown Farm,but,tellingly enough,not a mention of the torturous route this Bus will take in an attempt to serve the Park Shopping Centre in Cabinteely.

It`s difficult to explain clearly to those who may not know the topography of the roads network here, but suffice to say both Drivers and Passengers will be dizzy from the number of times the route will circumnavigate the same roundabouts in both directions.....It is about as totally contrary to the principles of Network Direct as I can imagine,but it kind of underlines the situation we now find ourselves in..."around and round and round we go,where we`re going...nobody knows".....

KC61

KC61 wrote: »

I am surprised at the reduction in the 4 - a very odd decision. I would agree that the route has been very successful and this seems to fly in the face of that.

However, they could go on and on consulting till the cows come home. Does having one week's notice make that much difference than two?

Just to add that the 47 will help out, but at every 35 minutes not that much!

KD345

Great post Alek, that section of Lr. Grafton Street is an accident waiting to happen.

On one hand I'm happy to see these changes finally happening, but it's a shame a lot of the original plans have now been watered down.

I'm really shocked at Route 4. This is one of the more prominent routes in the city and has now been reduced greatly. Were loadings poor on Sundays? It's astonishing to see a route which currently has a frequency of 10/20 minutes on a Sunday suddenly being reduced to hourly. Whenever there is an event on at RDS the loadings always seemed high. There are also changes planned for the 11/13/19 group of routes. I would have thought the 4 would remain as the high frequency cross city route.

Also, it's odd that the report originally stated:

Phase 1 of the Dublin Bus Network Direct Project is now complete and has been approved in principle by the National Transport Authority.

And then we see route 37 still being held up by problems with serving Blanchardstown Centre.

It will be interesting to see how Dublin Bus handle these changes. The launch now seems messy, with some routes changing before others. Will bus stops be marked correctly with updated information and timetables?

RayM

Comparing the new 84 timetable with the old one, I can't really see many positives. Overall, they've made an unattractive service even more unattractive. Quite the achievement. The only improvement is that Newcastle will have an increase of four scheduled off-peak buses (each way) per weekday. The number of buses serving Kilcoole has decreased by four (each way). Hardly the 'improved timetable' as advertised on Dublin Bus' website.

Furthermore, with all 84s now serving Bray Station, Cherrywood Luas and Stillorgan village, it's completely laughable for Dublin Bus to claim that they've made this part of their Network more Direct in any way. Perhaps the inevitable fall-off in passenger numbers will be used as justification for further cuts to the route in the future.

By pandering to the short-sighted whims of self-interested local politicians from Greystones, and opting to run the 84 to Belfield (presumably largely empty for most of the year), rather than terminating it at Cherrywood Luas station, DB has pissed away a decent opportunity to finally provide North Wicklow with a reliable, frequent and direct service.

richardjjd

From the Dublin Bus site :
What service will operate from Tyrrelstown?
Tyrrelstown will continue to be served by Route 40d and a local service will be provided by Route 238 to the Blanchardstown Centre and Mulhuddart. Route 40d’s alignment will be adjusted to offer faster journey times to the City Centre. This will occur later in 2010 as part of the Finglas area consultation.

So no change from the current service (except the 38c and 236 has been cancelled). Very disappointing - especially as the proposed (innovative) 270 routing to include Tyrrelstown has been dropped.

Will DB go back out to their customer base looking for further feedback or comment?

And (unless I'm mistaken) nothing about when these changes are to be introduced.

KC61

richardjjd wrote: »

From the Dublin Bus site :
What service will operate from Tyrrelstown?
Tyrrelstown will continue to be served by Route 40d and a local service will be provided by Route 238 to the Blanchardstown Centre and Mulhuddart. Route 40d’s alignment will be adjusted to offer faster journey times to the City Centre. This will occur later in 2010 as part of the Finglas area consultation.

So no change from the current service (except the 38c and 236 has been cancelled). Very disappointing - especially as the proposed (innovative) 270 routing to include Tyrrelstown has been dropped.

Will DB go back out to their customer base looking for further feedback or comment?

And (unless I'm mistaken) nothing about when these changes are to be introduced.

Not quite no change. The 238 will replace the 236/38c to/from Tyrrelstown. I'd imagine that DB are being restricted by the NTA in terms of what they can do in terms of improving the service linking Blanchardstown and Tyrrelstown due to the URbus services that are not subsidised.

No word yet as to the implementation date.

xper

RayM wrote: »

Comparing the new 84 timetable with the old one, I can't really see many positives. Overall, they've made an unattractive service even more unattractive. Quite the achievement. The only improvement is that Newcastle will have an increase of four scheduled off-peak buses (each way) per weekday. The number of buses serving Kilcoole has decreased by four (each way). Hardly the 'improved timetable' as advertised on Dublin Bus' website.

Furthermore, with all 84s now serving Bray Station, Cherrywood Luas and Stillorgan village, it's completely laughable for Dublin Bus to claim that they've made this part of their Network more Direct in any way. Perhaps the inevitable fall-off in passenger numbers will be used as justification for further cuts to the route in the future.

By pandering to the short-sighted whims of self-interested local politicians from Greystones, and opting to run the 84 to Belfield (presumably largely empty for most of the year), rather than terminating it at Cherrywood Luas station, DB has pissed away a decent opportunity to finally provide North Wicklow with a reliable, frequent and direct service.

Ah yes, what clowns. The change of mind that is leading to the lap of honour around Cherrywood Luas we had already been informed about. What I didn't anticipate was the retention of the diversion into Stillorgan village (where no customers will be waiting because now both the 46A and 145 will be sticking to the dual carriageway) is a master stroke in turning the screws on the 84.

Here's another one for you. The departures from UCD are ... drumroll please ... on the hour. I haven't frequented the hallowed halls for a while but my contacts tell me that things ahve not changed so much from my day and UCD lectures and classes are, surprise, surprise, clockfaced. Lecture finished .. made dash across campus .. maybe you make it, maybe you wait an hour. But maybe I underestimate these guys. Maybe this is a subtle middle finger to the spoli sports who insisted on the original plans being changed to extend the revised route to UCD at half the frequency. Ah, genius!

EDIt: Where the hell is "Lionsgate"?

Pigwidgeon

xper wrote: »

Here's another one for you. The departures from UCD are ... drumroll please ... on the hour. I haven't frequented the hallowed halls for a while but my contacts tell me that things ahve not changed so much from my day and UCD lectures and classes are, surprise, surprise, clockfaced. Lecture finished .. made dash across campus .. maybe you make it, maybe you wait an hour. But maybe I underestimate these guys. Maybe this is a subtle middle finger to the spoli sports who insisted on the original plans being changed to extend the revised route to UCD at half the frequency. Ah, genius!

Lectures finish 10 minutes to the hour, I'm assuming they'll be departing from the 10 bus stop? So, it will definitely cutting it close for most people. Originally I was annoyed about the lack of bus from Greystones to the city centre, and having to get 2 buses to college, but now with what they've done with it route wise, and the infrequency of it, I can see myself getting 2 buses anyway. Going through Cherrywood and Stillorgan village is pointless. It's rare that people get on the 84 anyway past Greystones/Bray/Shankill, it's only the odd few, people mainly opt for the 145/46a, so diverting it into both makes no sense. Either Cherrywood or Stillorgan I can understand, but not both.