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Dublin Bus Network Review
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From the above page:
[/COLOR]The team seem to be running out of steam. Little imagination shown here in redesigning routes, its just bare faced cost cutting at this stage. I mean, the 111 and 145 interchange is presented as a highlight of this phase. Really? That's all you've got? Are 111 passengers expeceted to jump off the flyover onto the roof of a 145 passing below? Mind you, if stopping 400m short of the Luas stop is an interchange, I suppose asking passengers to negotiate a semi-free-flow grade seperated dual carriageway junction to change buses with similar distance between stops is considered integrated transport too. Of course, with the 111 and 84 routes that actually provide these interchange opportunities running on hourly schedules anyway, nobody will bother availing of the service, so it all sorts itself out. Job done.
Indeed xper,but please do remember the entire Network Direct programme to date has been heavily influenced by Statistics,and lots of them,which the select members of the ND team have thrown on the table as the main reasons for the changes.
It`s fair to say that in the Individual Depot`s the changes as revealed have recieved a less than fullsome accolade,with even some Local Management figures seen to roll their eyes heavenward.
Where staff representations have been taken on board there has been some improvement,as in the 46A which is belatedly settling down to a functional level of operation.
Why it needed some 4 months of turmoil before these representations were taken on board is the real question.
The 111 routing is an interesting one as it appears,yet again to follow the principle of ignoring some juicy potential.
There has and remains a suggested routing for the 111 which was advanced by local supervisory staff.
Operate the 111 along it`s current route to Wyattville Road,then along the N11 to Loughlinstown Hospital (incredibly enough,NO existing direct Public Transport link from DunLaoire/Sallynoggin) then via Luas Cherrywood-Cabinteely-Cornelscourt-Carrickmines Cross to terminate at Carrickmines Retail Park.
New alignment,new points of linkage and an opportunity to develop a functional route.
However the suggestion,although first floated some 2 years ago,appears to have been scrunched up in a ball and flung in the bin.I was referring specifically to route 3. Noone living on the north-side of that route will think to look at changes billed as affecting Merrion road because they won't think it will affect them.
Markpb`s concerns re the route 3 are equally valid as they appear to consign the route to a limbo of sorts.
Why not return to having a long-hard-look at Drumcondra Train Station as a potential Terminus for Routes such as the 3 and 7 .
It would of course require a degree of co-operation between agencies (:eek:) as currently the area at the side of the Station Embankment,St Anns Road is given over to Pay and Display Car Parking.
Far too often we are seeing major elements of infrastructure,such as Loughlinstown Hospital,Cherrywood Luas or Drumcondra Station simply ignored because nobody wants to offend the Car driver or the "Business" fraterinity.
The largest failing of Network Direct as a project is the failure to involve all of the Capitals statutory agencies...leaving it all to Dublin Bus just will not work.
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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Statistics are actually not the problem; it's their interpretation that has been truly bizarre.Indeed xper,but please do remember the entire Network Direct programme to date has been heavily influenced by Statistics, and lots of them, which the select members of the ND team have thrown on the table as the main reasons for the changes.
It's fair to say that in the Individual Depots the changes as revealed have received a less than fulsome accolade, with even some Local Management figures seen to roll their eyes heavenward
I still see that as problematic. The 46A was extended northwards in the past, to the airport. That extension was eventually cut and re-numbered as the 746. Now even that route is gone, along with the routes that ran parallel to it (the 46X and 58X). I'm still convinced that the 10 should come back as it was, and the extensions of the 39A and 46A done away with. (Was it the former 10A that gave them the bad idea of amalgamating the 10's northern leg into the 46A?)Where staff representations have been taken on board there has been some improvement, as in the 46A which is belatedly settling down to a functional level of operation.
Why it needed some 4 months of turmoil before these representations were taken on board is the real question
Now mind you, I used to think that the 10 should have taken over the 46A sometimes...but that was with the idea to get rid of that hanging alpha suffix. And speaking of removing alpha suffixes, why is it that the 7B is really the old route 46 but slightly altered (running via Leeson Street instead of Ballsbridge and Kill Lane instead of Johnstown Road) and has nothing to do with route 7?
The 111 as first introduced was confusing to me, since it completely duplicated the 7 up until diverting off George Street to terminate at Mallin Station. Having been brought in alongside the old route 58 made things even more confusing, because it duplicated that route as well.The 111 routing is an interesting one as it appears, yet again to follow the principle of ignoring some juicy potential.
There has and remains a suggested routing for the 111 which was advanced by local supervisory staff.
Operate the 111 along its current route to Wyattville Road, then along the N11 to Loughlinstown Hospital (incredibly enough, NO existing direct Public Transport link from DunLaoire/Sallynoggin) then via Luas Cherrywood-Cabinteely-Cornelscourt-Carrickmines Cross to terminate at Carrickmines Retail Park.
New alignment, new points of linkage and an opportunity to develop a functional route.
However the suggestion, although first floated some 2 years ago, appears to have been scrunched up in a ball and flung in the bin.
You're absolutely right about them losing opportunities by re-working the route, which has degraded severely over the years (when it started, it had a frequency of 10-15 minutes Monday-Saturday and 20 minutes on Sunday)...but remember, this is the same bus company that cut off places like Foxrock and Carrickmines from city centre service too and is intending to cut off Newcastle (County Dublin, sorry, County South Dublin; they already cut off Newcastle County Wicklow from the city centre) and Rathcoole. Anyone remember that they had to extend the 47 to the city centre in repsonse to passenger demand for that service?
I really don't understand what the purpose is of cancelling the 3. So Larkhill will be permanently without a bus service now? never mind the people in Drumcondra and Whitehall that rely on the service? Wasn't too many years ago that they got rid of the 2, after they decided that the extension to Wilfield Park wasn't working; then they brought back the 2 as a duplicate of the 3 (or so I thought) running from the city centre.Markpb's concerns re the route 3 are equally valid as they appear to consign the route to a limbo of sorts.
Why not return to having a long-hard-look at Drumcondra Train Station as a potential Terminus for Routes such as the 3 and 7.
It would of course require a degree of co-operation between agencies (:eek:) as currently the area at the side of the Station Embankment, St Anne's Road is given over to Pay and Display Car Parking.
Far too often we are seeing major elements of infrastructure, such as Loughlinstown Hospital, Cherrywood Luas or Drumcondra Station simply ignored because nobody wants to offend the Car driver or the "Business" fraterinity.
The largest failing of Network Direct as a project is the failure to involve all of the Capitals statutory agencies...leaving it all to Dublin Bus just will not work.
With all due respect, I don't see Drumcondra train station working as a bus turn-around. Aside from NIMBY concerns (e.g. St Anne's Road as you mentioned, the rather narrow streets of St Joseph's Avenue and Lower St Alphonsus' Road if that's the turn you were envisioning), having such outer stations as bus termini haven't drummed up the business for either buses or trains like one would think.
Mind you, I'm still wondering what happened to Croke Park as a bus terminus? Now there are no buses serving that area since the end of the 51A, never mind the 23 (which actually terminated there, on Jones' Road underneath the railway bridge, where there isn't a Croke Park railway station either).
There are other concerns too. With the 5 slated to go, will the 17 be the only bus on Mount Merrion Avenue? Also looks like Lower Trees Road in Mount Merrion, which had a continuous bus service for many decades, will be cut off cold.
And oh yes: what happened to the 141?0 -
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Posted by Ste.phen : As far as I can tell as a passenger, it plays randomly and frequently any time the PA system is turned on. As a result, the drivers usually don't turn the PA system on.
So Consise and accurate an answer it may as well have come from the manual !!!
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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Cookie_Monster wrote: »
It should be a minimum fare bus to cut out all the short hoppers who won't wait another 2 mins for a 46a
An interesting point there Cookie_M.
The entire concept of Minimum Fare is widely misunderstood to mean paying the lowest possible fare when in fact its the exact opposite.
Sadly,Dublin Bus has allowed the simpler yet desirable elements of managing a Bus service to fall into disuse,and the MF is one of these.
Drivers have become unwilling or unable to enforce it as they feel that any resultant complaint from a disgruntled customers will immediately count against them.
There is also now an almost universal internal ignorance of the relevant Stages covered by a sliding minimum fare scale,such as was on the "old" 45,63 0r 84 routes.
This sort of internal collapse was always going to be a consequence of removing the Fare Stage markings from our stops,but sadly appears to be regarded as collateral damage.
Sometimes it`s the lowest-tech solution which works best
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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