Speed bump busts me Oil Sump

podgemonster

Driving through a narrow road at Dusk in Drumcondra and went over a spend bump to quickly and my 96' Laguna is leaking oil.

The thing is unlike the other speed bumps on the road this one had no markers, no with lines, jus a red brick speed bump which i didn't see until too late.:mad:

Do I have a case here to claim off the council for not making it more visible?

Also if someone could recommend a honest garage in south Dublin i would greatly appreciate it.

goat2

podgemonster wrote: »

Driving through a narrow road at Dusk in Drumcondra and went over a spend bump to quickly and my 96' Laguna is leaking oil.

The thing is unlike the other speed bumps on the road this one had no markers, no with lines, jus a red brick speed bump which i didn't see until too late.:mad:

Do I have a case here to claim off the council for not making it more visible?

Also if someone could recommend a honest garage in south Dublin i would greatly appreciate it.

simple answer
no
where there are speed bumps there are speed limits, so hard luck

mickdw

goat2 wrote: »

simple answer
no
where there are speed bumps there are speed limits, so hard luck

Your definite answer is based on?

Many ramps are capable of severe damage should they be hit at 30 mph. IMO the ramps would need to be signposted. If not, I would be rather annoyed if I kit one causing damage.

OP, What speed limit in force? Any signposts?

Any sign saying speed bumps ahead ?

cadaliac

I don't think you have a case unfortunately. I think this was covered before on motors, but unless the road or road surface was damaged, you are out of luck, i think.










I see the high horse brigade are already here.

Mr. Presentable

They have to be sign posted. A neighbour of mine claims to have gotten "satisfaction" from the council for damage caused by a speed bump (red brick one, as it happens) even though there are signs and the thing is painted. I'd definitely make a test call to the council.

Anan1

cadaliac wrote: »

I see the high horse brigade are already here.

* yawns *

I'd imagine it depends on the speed bump, really. While most can be taken at or above the speed limit by most well-maintained cars, I have seen the odd one that more closely resembles a kerb. If I were the OP i'd take a good selection of pics - there are just too many variables here.

mickdw

Try ANY speedbump at anything above 10mph in an alfa 166..... BANG.:eek:

whippet

Check with Dublin Ciry Council what their guidelines are for Traffic Calming installations, especially speedbumps (or speed cushions), don't explain why you are asking.

Then, have a proper look at the speed bump in question and see how it measures up to the guidelines that you have been given.

I have gotten Fingal Co. Co's guidelines before and challenged a proposed installation near my house. You would be suprised how many traffic calming measures do not comply with the council's own set of guidelines.

The key word here is 'guideline' as they will then try to hide behind the fact that they don't have to work along the guideline. But I am sure if you had a competently written letter showing how the council's failure to adhere to their own set of guidelines caused actual damage to your car, they may be open to a resolution.

Anan1

mickdw wrote: »

Try ANY speedbump at anything above 10mph in an alfa 166..... BANG.:eek:

True, 156s are the same. It still amazes me how few people realize that, on our roads, compliance = speed.

I've also seen subsidence around ramps, which in effect makes them bigger.

podgemonster

i went over the first few speed bumps safely then accelerated so i would say i was doing around 25 mph.

I would think there were signposts there, but even the passenger with me said he didn't even see the bump on the road ahead.

whippet

Below is Fingal's basic guidelines:

1) A maximum height of 75mm for ramps.
2) Maximum side slope of 1 in 4 for cushions.
3) Spacing between cushions: 60m to 100m.
4) Location of traffic calming measures: Close to places where speed is already low (such as junctions or sharp bends) and regular spacing thereafter.
5) There is no specification on material type but preformed ramps are often used to ensure uniformity of shape

Have a look at this document http://www.dto.ie/traffic_manual.pdf

That will explain in more detail what the Dublin Transport Office see as best practice.

It seems that there was a scourge of developers just putting in any auld speed ramp, cushion to satisfy planning conditions and the councils don't bother making sure they are to spec.

Anan1

podgemonster wrote: »

i went over the first few speed bumps safely then accelerated so i would say i was doing around 25 mph.

I would think there were signposts there, but even the passenger with me said he didn't even see the bump on the road ahead.

Not trying to be difficult, but are you sure the suspension of your car was in good condition? Older cars do tend to loosen up over time, making them more vulnerable to that kind of thing.

Theta

Id say the council will worm their way out of it.

I dont get speed bumps. A road has a speed limit of X and yet they put in a measure to limit speed to X - 60 or 70%.

Just lower the speed limit and enforce it.

R.O.R

If it's in Drumcondra, then there would have been signposts. Every second sign post in Drumcondra says Ramps.

You should try Ballyboughal for speed humps. Sensible ones through the village which I don't mind at all, but there is one just on the very edge of "town" when you are leaving (northbound) which is about half a milea away from the previous bump. No sign specifically for that hump and it's caught me a few times - thankfully no damage though.

podgemonster

podgemonster wrote: »

i went over the first few speed bumps safely then accelerated so i would say i was doing around 25 mph.

I would think there were signposts there, but even the passenger with me said he didn't even see the bump on the road ahead.

Sounds like you weren't paying attention to be honest.

podgemonster

Anan1 wrote: »

Not trying to be difficult, but are you sure the suspension of your car was in good condition? Older cars do tend to loosen up over time, making them more vulnerable to that kind of thing.

The car suspension is in good condition.
Was quoted €200 labour to replace the sump, though I am not even sure its the sump that busted.

muckwarrior

I suspect this was on Iona/St Alphonsus road, which has ramps all along it, but there's one in the middle twice the height of the rest which you need to go really slow over.

Zubeneschamali

podgemonster wrote: »

Was quoted €200 labour to replace the sump, though I am not even sure its the sump that busted.

Herself broke the sump on a kerb onetime, and my cowboy independent mechanic was able to weld it for a lot less than replacing it.

whippet

muckwarrior wrote: »

I suspect this was on Iona/St Alphonsus road, which has ramps all along it, but there's one in the middle twice the height of the rest which you need to go really slow over.

if that is the case, well then more than likely the ramp is out of spec for the council's guidelines and in my opinion there would be a case for looking for compensation.

Can you take a council to the Small Claims Court?

podgemonster

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Herself broke the sump on a kerb onetime, and my cowboy independent mechanic was able to weld it for a lot less than replacing it.

I've been told it's an alliminium sump so you can't weld it.

With regards the traffic manual it says this...

Clear, conspicuous signs and road markings can help to do this.
Signs should be provided in advance of the features and should
incorporate a distance plate if appropriate. If the features are
greater than 150m apart they should be signed individually.
Although there is no prescribed marking to be placed on the
features, they should be marked clearly. This can be achieved in
a number of ways. In the UK triangular markings are required to
be placed on the features. In Holland and Germany a chequer
marking is commonly used across the whole width of the
measure. In Ireland a variety of markings have been used in
recent years. It is the responsibility of each road authority to
satisfy itself that the markings used are clear and unambiguous.
The signs and markings should be positioned so that parked

vehicles do not obscure their visibility.

Cookie_Monster

jesus, just take responsibility for your own actions and stop trying to get someone else to pay for something which was entirely your fault.

you obviously were not paying due care and attention to the road, otherwise you would have noticed the severity of the bump.

goat2

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

jesus, just take responsibility for your own actions and stop trying to get someone else to pay for something which was entirely your fault.

you obviously were not paying due care and attention to the road, otherwise you would have noticed the severity of the bump.

you were in a hurry
the more hurry the less speed
you have to crawl over those things otherwise this is the result
look after numor uno
so
i do know someone else in my family this happened to
they were giving out about bumps and bill
they learned a lesson a dear one