UCD PGDE 2010-2011

Postgrad10

Hi everyone
I'm just filling in these forms to be sent back. On the Garda vetting form , it asks for my student number. Do I just leave this blank for Ucd to fill or is my student number the number with my name on the front of the envelope they posted it in? Or is it the same as the PAC number?
Thanks
postgrad10

petejmk

Postgrad10 wrote: »

Hi everyone
I'm just filling in these forms to be sent back. On the Garda vetting form , it asks for my student number. Do I just leave this blank for Ucd to fill or is my student number the number with my name on the front of the envelope they posted it in? Or is it the same as the PAC number?
Thanks
postgrad10

I just left it blank because I wasn't sure. If you don't fill it in, they can always put 2+2 together with your name and address if it was supposed to be filled in.

khan86

Where do you post the Garda Vetting form to? On the letter it says to return it to the school of eduction but on the vetting form itself it says to return it to Peter Shearer, Admissions officer. UCD are so confusing :mad:

Postgrad10

Thanks. Kahn86, I'm going with the letter they sent, going to send it to them with everything. Maybe they have to check it before passsing it on to that other guy?

Lawa22

Has everyone sorted accomodation for sept yet or am I jumping the gun abit!? I'm coming from Donegal to the big smoke so I would love to share with other PGDE students? Uni accomodation looks so expensive, maybe a house nearby would be the best option!

UpMunster

Hiya. Well done! I got offered the PGDE in UCD this coming Sept. too. Got offered a place in a school in Dun Laoghaire a few weeks ago. Then, UCD send all these formalities in relation to your placement. A bit late I say, but I'm sure the schools are well used to PGDE students. My subjects are Geography and English. Does anybody know how long it takes by bus to UCD from Dun Laoghaire? Countryman up to the big smoke and all that!!!! Any idea of the fees for this year?

getting worse

Hi all, just got offer hours in a school. One problem my second subject is Economics (which allows me teach business to junior cert) but the school does not offer Economics for the Leaving Certificate and therefore cannot give me any hours in that subject, but they are giving me some time with second year business. Am I still ok to teach Economics after the PGDE even though I won't have taught it for the PGDE?

getting worse

Hi Upmunster. Dun Laoire to UCD isn't too bad there is a bus which will go down the dual carriage way I say you are looking at 1/2 hour to 40 Mins.

Monotype

getting worse wrote: »

Hi all, just got offer hours in a school. One problem my second subject is Economics (which allows me teach business to junior cert) but the school does not offer Economics for the Leaving Certificate and therefore cannot give me any hours in that subject, but they are giving me some time with second year business. Am I still ok to teach Economics after the PGDE even though I won't have taught it for the PGDE?

Yes, it's what your degree qualifies you for that really counts.

nice_day

I started reading Frank McCourt's 'Teacher Man' in semi-preperation for the hdip. It's good, memoirs and anecdotes from teaching in New York. eh. I'm sure it will become more positive.

BECM73

Hi, does anyone have a reading list for the PGDE? Thanks.

cailindana

hey all... I just got offered a place on this course last week.. in the 3rd round of offers!! im so happy! anyway things are movin pretty quickly now, had interview for a school and the place is mine if i want it so delighted with that.. need to organise accommodation etc now.. Lawa22 i would love to share with other post grads too but i dont have a clue of ucd/dublin and i was thinking of going for campus accomodation but not sure!!

Lawa22

Hi Cailindana,

I'm still searching for a school as I got in on 2nd round offer but I havent heard anything back after I sent in my CV's....I wonder is this normal!!? Im not sure yet about accomodation, I heard some of them arent worth the money and a house with other post grads would be better. Im from Donegal so Im not really familiar with Dublin at all! Let me know what u think!?

bronagh82

Don't panic, alot of schools are still finalising places so I'm sure you'll get sorted yet. Maybe try ringing the schools you sent the cvs to to follow them up?

delta_bravo

I would start to really press schools now. According to the school of education site you should have it sorted by the end of june. I got contacted by several schools recently not even wanting an interview, more or less offering a place on the spot as they mustnt have had anyone yet.

Lawa22

Hi bronagh82!

Thanks for the post, I rang the schools first just to make sure there was still places available so do you think I should ring up again? My only problem is one of my subjects isnt taught in all schools, therefore I only sent cv's to schools I knew taught it. I think there was only like 5/6! Bad idea? should i just send cv's to all schools on the list UCD gave me??? Thanks!

puddles1987

I'm teaching this year in a school and I'm doing the pgde next year. I was talking to the principal today and they still dont know what classes I'll have or if they're taking on more students! according to her the timetables aren't fully completed yet. I wouldn panic too much just yet! All the admin will start next week now the majority of schools are finished!

bronagh82

Lawa22 wrote: »

Hi bronagh82!

Thanks for the post, I rang the schools first just to make sure there was still places available so do you think I should ring up again? My only problem is one of my subjects isnt taught in all schools, therefore I only sent cv's to schools I knew taught it. I think there was only like 5/6! Bad idea? should i just send cv's to all schools on the list UCD gave me??? Thanks!

Yeah it might be a good idea to post off cvs to most schools Tuesday, or at least ones that are accessible for you. Dont get too hung up about getting a school with both your subjects as some schools only give tp for one subject anyway.
Also you should definitely phone the schools that you have applied to and follow up your applications. You have nothing to lose. A friend of mine only secured his teaching practise today so really dont stress about it yet.

chippers

Hi guys, the school i'm doing my placement in are asking me for a form that they are suppose to fill in. Does anyone know where i can get this?

Avery

http://www.ucd.ie/education/graduateprogrammes/taughtprogrammes/postgraduatediplomaineducationpgde/howtoapply,13201,en.html

Go to point 3 there for the Placement form. It's a pdf file to save and print out. The form I think mentions the 28th of May as the date for return, but the stuff they sent us says 25th of June

chippers

Thanks Avery

BECM73

Hi

Does anyone know what time lectures finish in the evening? Also when are exams after - Christmas and May?

thanks

puddles1987

I think the lectures ar from 2-5 in the afternoon!!

Ucd has exams before xmas not after! i heard the pgde only has exams at xmas and not summer. APPARENTLY its continuous assessment 2nd semester!!

Monotype

Is there any time that the schools should be notified of that you'd be unavailable (e.g., conflicting exam times)?

Postgrad10

Did anyone apply for on campus today? I was lucky that I had my past student number to apply through the SIS web. I enquired with the school of education and to see if I needed a new student number but they said the numbers were not ready yet. It seems very unfair as the residences opened for registration for everyone today. And PGDE students have to wait until they get their numbers, hopefully they reserve some.

BECM73

Thanks puddles1987 - 2-5 isn't so bad and exams before Christmas is much better than after!

UpMunster

Hi all,

Does anybody have a rough idea about the timetable for UCD PGDE course please? Times (Mon-Fri), dates etc...

Regards,

UpMunster

Monotype

The website gives this much: The course begins on the 23rd of August at 1.00pm. Lectures are on weekdays at 2pm (depending on your subjects). UCD will be sending out timetables in a months time.

UpMunster

Thanks Monotype for the reply, I appreciate it. I wonder will we have classes on Friday afternoons? Anyone any info on last year's timetable please? How many hours per week in UCD? Holidays?

Postgrad10

Hi
I read somewhere that we have Friday afternoon lectures once a month. I'm not sure of the schedule but maybe you could post your question on the Ucd 2009-2010 message board. One of the past students might help you out. We get a Reading week in October/ November and have exams before Christmas , not sure after that.

UpMunster

Thanks Postgrad10, much appreciated. Once a month wouldn't be too bad at all with travelling at the weekends etc.

Need to sort out accommodation. Got placement in Dun Laoghaire but think I will live close to UCD and take it on the chin with the early morning starts!

This forum is really informative, thanks to all.

Postgrad10

Hi Upmusnter,
Did you try the residences office in ucd, I lived there a few years ago and its not that bad. Once lectures are over, you can stay in the library until you get things done, and a few minutes walk and you are home for the night. I think the no lectures on a Friday afternoon is great when you have to travel home. I wish it had been like that for my undergrad:)

Rosita

If things in UCD operate the same as last year regarding timetable/locations/assignments/exams/visits those of you starting in September might find this useful:

Induction Week: This is your first week. There will be 230 odd of you and you will have to go to a large lecture theatre for a series of general lectures in the first week. On day one you will be given a folder with all the details of the year, including assignment dates etc. It’s a good idea to (unlike me) have a good look through this early on and things will be clearer about the course and especially assignment dates. These initial lectures took place in one of the Science buildings which we never used after that first week.

Subject Methodologies: Obviously you will be taking two subject methodologies, ideally in what you have studied. In practice where someone does not have an obvious second subject they seem to come to some arrangement regarding the other. There will be an assignment/assignments to be done in these. The nature of this will depend on the subject/lecturer. Last year I had one assignment in one subject and two (long and shorter - 60%/40% split) in the other one. If my subjects are a guide to all others then the assignments will be based around an 'intervention' (method of teaching a particular topic) in the classroom and will require class plans etc. It might be an idea to keep this in mind when teaching before Christmas - that you will be expected to provide a series of class plans and write about the teaching theory and practical methodology around them for your assignment. If you identified something relatively early you'd save yourself much bother I'd say. These subject assignments will be due in the second semester - not before Christmas. A roll is usually taken at the subject methodology classes.

Lecture locations – Apart from the first week these take place in the Arts Block, with the exception of workshops which I’ll deal with later and some subject methodologies. For those of you unfamiliar with UCD the library is also located in this building which is handy. As ever I would recommend looking for any books you might need fairly early as it's impossible to get them as an assignment is looming. You will inevitably ignore this advice but at least you've been told! In some of the early lectures they sent a roll around for people to sign but this practice seemed to die out as the year went on. Probably early scare tactics. There's 200 odd at these general lectures so it's hard to imagine them checking lists! Attendance is generally very good anyway.

As for the lectures themselves, in the first semester you will have the following:

Monday

2pm-3pm – Tutorial. Not strictly a lecture of course, this is an all-year small group class where you will discuss very practical matters about teaching and stuff that arises in your school/classes, plus all sorts of stuff that could potentially arise. This will be given by your tutor who will be someone you will be well familiar with by year’s end. To the best of my recollection the tutorials did not start until week 2 - that's counting the induction week as week zero! It obviously takes a bit of time to organise tutorial groups etc. and make sure everyone that is initially registered actually shows up. A roll is always taken at these classes.

3pm-4pm Educational Psychology. This talks about what the title suggests, more specifically things like bereavement and how kids deal with it. I genuinely can’t think of any other stuff right now but there is more! This is examined as part of a two-hour exam in December (It was the 8th December for us) along with Special Educational Needs. The questions are predictable – as per the past papers - as obviously they cover a set area and the exam is not difficult if you are prepared. I didn’t kill myself for it and did quite well.

4pm-5pm PP1 (Professional Practice 1) – This deals with stuff like classroom management. There was, I think, a couple of relatively short assignments for this one. Assignments were pre-Christmas.


Tuesday

2pm-3pm Special Educational Needs. This is talking about learning difficulties and their nature and how you might understand/deal with them. As already mentioned this is dealt with in an exam along with Educational Psychology. This is the only exam of any kind you will sit - everything else is assignment based assessment.

3pm onwards – This was an afternoon for subject methodologies. I had classes on Tuesdays but that was because I have a language. It was languages as well as CSPE that were on this day. Bad news in that CSPE was on from 5pm-7pm so depending on subjects you might be a bit late sometimes. Other methodologies were French, German, Gaeilge, German. Incidentally for those doing languages which includes the aforementioned languages there was a class between 3pm-4pm called ‘modern languages’ which dealt with the methods of teaching of a language in the classroom. Anyone with TEFL training can expect to hear a lot of the same terminology used.

I notice (I am looking at the UCD folder obviously as I am typing this) that Spanish was on Thusday evening at an unspecified time but presumably 5pm, and Italian was on Wednesday at 3pm.


Wednesday

2pm – PP2 (Professional Practice 1) - This dealt with your portfolio*, the curriculum and generally about making you a reflective practitioner. A ‘reflective practitioner’ is merely someone who practices teaching and reflects on how they did and tries to draw lessons from that. It sounds terribly jargoney but hard to argue that it’s not a good idea. There is an assignment associated with this as far as I recall.

3pm onwards - Various subject methodologies - History and Italian (3pm-5pm), Classics and Business Studies (4pm-6pm), and Geography and Music (5pm-7pm).

* While on the subject of the Portfolio, it is worth talking about lesson plans. You will be required to do a lesson plan for each class you teach and will get a template from UCD on which to do them. The lesson plan consists of (usually) three objectives e.g. the pupils will be able to.............; the pupils will explain........... - in other words the stuff that the pupils should be able to do at the end of class. The rest of the plan deals with how you would get them to that point.

Important things in classes are a good introduction, good transitions (that is changing from one phase of the lesson to another and making the link between the two) and - absolutely key thing - having achievable objectives. Avoid having very idealistic notions and pitching things way above the heads of the class as happened to me in a few early lessons. Keep your objectives simple and use 'active' words in the objectives. But to re-iterate, have achievable objectives, so if you say the pupils will 'demonstrate' something, you should have a clear idea of how they will do it.............whether that is by answering your higher-order questions (see the next paragraph!) or by doing a particular task in the class. All of this will become much clearer when you start. The thing about teaching in class is making it relevant and understandable to the students. That’s really obvious you might say, but it is one thing knowing it should be done and another doing it.

A key thing in good lessons is well-structured questioning of pupils. You will hear a lot about lower-order questions (broad and introductory.......a 'what do you think of' type question) and higher-order questions (much more specific and heading towards the actual objective.......a 'why' type question) during the year. Getting this balance right is very important in impressing your supervisor and undoubtedly having an effective class.

At the end of the year you will put your class plans (4 for your main subject and 1 for the other) into a folder with any resources you used in classes, class profiles (i.e. what standard they were at and if there were any special educational needs etc.), school profile, scheme of work (the stuff you were covering e.g. English- war poetry, nature poetry, Of Mice and Men novel etc.) and hand this up – this is called your portfolio.

The class plans will be expected to show a fairly seamless progress through the year with plenty of ‘reflection’ at the end of the lesson. This is merely asking yourself what went well and what didn’t and seeing how you can improve. It makes sense really.

Tip: Get on top of lesson plans early and keep them up to date, and do the reflections as soon as you can. It is painful if it builds up. All that said, the portfolio is over-rated as it is talked about for the whole year in tutorials to an extent that it seems worth a whole lot more marks than it is actually worth. The key consideration going through the year is that on one of the school visits by UCD (I will come to that presently) you can be asked to produce it as it is supposed to be a work in progress. I was never asked for it (thankfully) on one of the visits but I know some people were.

While I am on the subject of school visits I’ll talk about them as there’s no other obvious place to put them. You will have six visits throughout the year – five from your supervisor (who will be made known to you after a few weeks in UCD) and one from your tutor. All visits will be unannounced. Over time you tend to get fairly good at predicting the visits to within a few days, but if you are prepared this should not be too much of a worry, but a worry of some description it will inevitably be! My supervisor/tutor told us which of the six visits would be for the second subject, and which one the tutor would attend. I do not believe this was the case with all tutors/supervisors, but it is a question worth raising when the time comes as it is some comfort to know in advance.

At the end of the visit the supervisor/tutor will sit down with you and discuss the lesson in a sort of 'what do you think worked/didn't work' sort of way. You will not come away from that discussion with a grade - you will get a strong feel for how it went but that's all. You will get a copy of the sheet of paper on which he/she writes their report of the class. The report will list 3/4 'Best Features of this Lesson' and also 'Some aspects that require further work' and 'Focused suggestions for improvement'. The tendency is to just thank God the visit is all over and just mentally file the feedback away in some recess of your mind, but I would say that it is well worth considering the points raised if you want to improve as even though every class is a bit different we tend to exhibit the same problems/strengths.

There is also an option on the course called 'STSP' - not sure what it stands for - but it's extra tutoring for people who are struggling in the classroom. There is an area on the feedback sheet which allows the supervisor to recommend the student for this if they feel the person needs it. Hopefully you will avoid this but best to embrace it if it happens.

One of the abiding memories of the year for me is hearing the phone ring in the staff-room in or around the time I would be anticipating a visit! Even after my last visit was over I used to get butterflies when I'd hear the phone ring in the staff-room in the early morning.

You will get a teaching practice grade at the end of the year and this is key to your year. If you do not get an honours grade i.e. C- or above in teaching practice you cannot get an honours grade in your overall Dip irrespective of grades in other assignments/exams. It also makes up half the credits of your overall course. In other words your overall grade will probably be very close to your teaching practice grade.

I would strongly recommend reading Effective Teaching in Schools by Chris Kyriacou or How to be a successful Secondary Teacher by Sue Leach and absorb the lessons. I leafed through these later and was sorry I had not put heed in them earlier. If you can get around the notion of teaching as opposed to just gassing on about a subject you will make life much easier for yourself. I came from a background where I was dealing with adults for a long time and it took me some time to get around the “amn’t I great with all the extra stuff I know” to realise that it was about what I could do for them at their level that mattered. It is really important to nail this – obviously being able to discipline a class is a core skill as well.

Getting back to class plans for a second, bear in mind that you will be expected to do class plans for all classes on your timetable. That is to say that if your supervisor/tutor comes to a class they should be able to leaf through your class plans if they want, but you have to provide only four of your first subject and one of your second subject in the actual portfolio.

Here I think is an important point. You can teach a minimum of 4 hours 30 minutes for Teaching Practice purposes. I was lucky that I got the minimum TP hours which meant I has less class plans to do than I might have had and it reduced the range of classes a supervisor could potentially visit. But - and I don't want to be putting devilment in your head! - if you are given far more than the minimum hours/classes you might want to consider if you should declare all of them on your UCD timetable as if you declare the minimum only you can reduce the stress of a potential visit/class-plan workload. Just a thought! It'd be terrible to realise in October that you could have done this but didn't realise early enough. If you do decide not to declare some classes just make sure that they are not back-to-back with ones you are declaring as you'll need to have time to chat with your supervisor after the class and you do not want to have to make a scene getting a class covered when you were not supposed to be doing the class anyway!

Thursday

2pm PP1 - See Monday for details!

3pm – More subject methodologies today. English 3pm-5pm, Maths 5pm-7pm, Religious Education 5pm-7pm and as I already mentioned Spanish as well.

As you will gather reading through this, while you are in UCD every afternoon from 2pm, on some days you will be finished at 3pm if your subject methodologies are not on.

Friday

You will be in UCD just once every four weeks on a Friday - 2pm-4pm. The entire PGDE group is divided into nine or ten smaller groups and a number of these groups are in on different Fridays. These are ‘workshops’ and are very practically based e.g. you would have one on discipline, one on special needs etc. One of them is on class plans but unfortunately that was a couple of months into the course by which time we had already made a pig's ear of many of the early plans! The workshops take place in the Education Centre in Roebuck which is away in a relatively obscure corner of the campus. A roll is taken at this. If by some chance you cannot make it on a particular Friday it's easy to go on another day with another group instead.

All the information I've given deals with the first semester only but when you get your folder you'll see the second semester! But you will have the tutorial and subject methodologies in every week of the year. And your weeks off UCD will be the same as your mid-term breaks/Easter Holidays in school. In UCD the general student break is different to the PGDE break (in the second semester that is - the breaks acually coincide in the first semester) so during the week you have the rest of the college off in March enjoy the pleasure of parking as it's not good for the rest of the year.

AirmidOg

Rosita, thanks so much for putting all that info up! It was so clear and concise. I finally feel like I'm not in the dark so much as to the year that lies ahead! Much appreciated!

Monotype

Rosita wrote: »

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Thank you very much for your time and detail!

khan86

Rosita, you are amazing!!:D

Thanks so much for that post, very informative and great insider tips.
I doubt UCD will be as clear and concise as that (speaking from experience!)
Definitely going to get a hold of those books and do some summer reading.
My subjects are RE and CSPE so Tuesday's and Thursday's I'll be in college until 7pm:( Oh well, going to have to have very good intentions and go to the library from 3-5!
I am very worried about these lessons plans, is there a specific template that UCD give us to follow or do we just wing it? Also, does anyone know what textbooks are used for the classroom (in RE and CSPE). I went into Easons to ask for the Junior Cert book for Religious Education and they said there is 3 or 4 different ones. I guess I'll just have to find out from the school which one they use.

Rosita

khan86 wrote: »

I am very worried about these lessons plans, is there a specific template that UCD give us to follow or do we just wing it?

Khan,

UCD give you a template. I have written more about lesson plans/supervisor visits on the Wednesday section of my original post if you want to check it out. I did that just to keep the information in the one place! Glad you pointed it out as it was an obvious gap. In fact I added a good bit about supervisory visits and timetables too so anyone who has already read it might want to have another scan. Glad it helped anyway!

Obviously with the timetable things could change from last year and I'd say that's more likely in the case of subject methodologies than in the bigger lectures. Anyway, even if things stay as they are at least you'll be finished early on Wednesdays, just like I used to be myself in fact!

Postgrad10

Hi kahn86
If your school has a website, they might have the booklists on it. I'm after seeing one on my schools webpage.

khan86

Rosita wrote: »

Khan,

UCD give you a template. I have written more about lesson plans/supervisor visits on the Wednesday section of my original post if you want to check it out. I did that just to keep the information in the one place! Glad you pointed it out as it was an obvious gap.

Rosita,

Thanks again for all the information. It's so helpful to have this advice from someone who has just completed the course. That extra info about the lesson plans is great. Don't feel as anxious about being thrown in the deep end now so thanks!:D

khan86

Postgrad10 wrote: »

Hi kahn86
If your school has a website, they might have the booklists on it. I'm after seeing one on my schools webpage.

Hi Postgrad10,

Thanks for the reply. The school website has been down for months as they are renovating it and I've rang them a couple of times about forms and stuff and get the impressions I'm being a bit of a pest:o so I guess I'll just leave it closer to the beginning of the school year to find out.

Postgrad10

I know exactly what you mean about not wanting to be a pest. You could try and get any second hand RE book to give you an idea of the course. We'll see the books soon enough I Suppose:D

puddles1987

Has anyone heard back from UCD since sending in all the forms??

pathway33

@ Rosita ....... WOW!!!!

puddles1987

If you ring the book companies in august and tell them your WORKING in the school they will send the books out to you in the school in september for free!! No teachers really ever buy books themselves!!

rayro

Hi guys,

The principal at the school where I will be doing my teaching practice asked me to take a C.S.P.E class as she was stuck for a teacher, my main subjects are Geography and French, but i'm just wondering whether I will have to attend the C.S.P.E classes in UCD? Does anyone know if I will have to?

Thanks guys!

Postgrad10

I don't think you have to attend the cspe lectures just what your degree is in. You probably could attend a few and see how you get on time permitting. From what I've read on boards you may get paid for the extra class too. Dud your principal mention this?

gaeilgegrinds1

Over and above the teaching hours you have to do you will get paid. They can also be taken off you as happened in our school this year though. Concentrate on the hours you'll be examined on but I'd attend at least some of the C.S.P.E. so you've a better idea where to go with the class etc. Best of luck!

AirmidOg

Hi All!

D-day is fast approaching! I was wondering does anyone know if there are any books that we are required to have for September, apart from schoolbooks? I want to get them now while I'm still working and can afford them! I've already bought the two books suggested in this forum and they seem really helpful, I only got them today. But if anyone knows if there are books we are required to have or will be referring to a lot next year maybe you could let us know?! Thanks!

Rosita

AirmidOg wrote: »

Hi All!

D-day is fast approaching! I was wondering does anyone know if there are any books that we are required to have for September, apart from schoolbooks? I want to get them now while I'm still working and can afford them! I've already bought the two books suggested in this forum and they seem really helpful, I only got them today. But if anyone knows if there are books we are required to have or will be referring to a lot next year maybe you could let us know?! Thanks!

There won't be any 'must buy' book suggested to you during the year. Obviously there will be recommended reading/articles in certain areas but that is academic stuff you can get in the library.

In subject methodology classes they might recommend specific books in the subjects which might usefully be aimed at certain age groups in schools. If these are particularly useful you might consider buying them in the future but I wouldn't worry about it during the Dip year.

Apart from the Educational Psychology and Special Needs modules it is not really a course where you need to learn stuff and reproduce it. There are areas such as Educational Philosophy where some knowledge of different views would be useful but in the assignment you will be asked for your own philosophy - which presumably you will bolster by referring to general thoughts/theories in educational philosophy. But the assignment is not long enought to justify a massive trawl.

John Dewey would be the most important figure in Educational Philosophy as he argued for the child-centred eduational model that we are all supposed to have been educated in!

Incidentally there are some books/material available in a small library in the Education Centre in UCD. I never went near them but it might be worth checking out as it is always difficult to source stuff in the main library. Not sure if the material in the education can be acquired on loan - I don't think so - but again I would always recommend identifying something you might use and photocopy the relevant material/chapter rather than taking out a book you won't read!

A folder for the handouts you will get would be a very good purchase too as there's a lot of them.

rayro

Thanks for the help and advice guys, really appreciate it!

Just wondering if anyone has received any p.g.d.e. information pack from ucd. I.m still so confused with the whole process!

I think the ucd registration begins on the 9th of September.