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Can you swap council houses?
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23-04-2010 10:53am#1Hi all,
I have been living in my council house here in the city for around 7 years. About 3 years ago, we started having problems with a certain (well known) family on the estate.
So far, their kids have broken into our house, vandalising it and killing the kids' pet goldfish, stolen bikes from our back garden, thrown eggs at our house, give our daughters constant verbal abuse to the point they barely go outside anymore and it culminated yesterday when their scummer of a daughter kicked my daughter in the stomach.
Now, there's only so much I can take and I gave out stink to her and threatened to call the police on her if she touched my daughter again. Suffice it to say, her mother took umbridge at this telling off and stormed up to my house to threaten me with violence if I ever went near her little darling any more.
I can't count the number of times I've had to deal with sh!t from this particular family and to make matters worse, in their infinite wisdom, the city council decided to put a family of settled travellers next door to me - the best part is, they're related to the same family and their kids have now started on my daughters too. It's a total nightmare.
I've reported the incident to the anti social behaviour unit, but have told them I don't want them to tell the family in question about my complaint, as I believe it would only escalate the abuse and harrassment. I've already been threatened with having my house burnt down, my kids beaten up and my car stolen and burnt out.
I reported the break-in to the police at the time and they organised a liaison officer to get the families in question to cough up a small amount of compo for the stuff they stole and destroyed, but we got a load of abuse from extended members of their family afterwards and it seems no matter what we do, this family don't intend to stop hasseling us any time soon. My kids are in an awful state, at this stage and I just want to get out now.
Anyway, to cut to the main question, I was just wondering if there is an option to privately swap your council house with another council tenant, as it doesn't seem the council will rehouse me if I'm not willing to make an official statement.
If you agree to swap houses, do the council allow it or are you at risk of losing your house altogether? I've looked at the council's website and there's no info about house swaps at all.
Has anyone else here had any experience of house swaps, or any information on it?
Much thanks - sorry for the long post
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It's another kind of 'organisation' I'd create. If you got every good and decent family being harassed by scumbags together, send all the lads up the mountains with bats and various assorted implements for training and bonding sessions, then you'd have a group capable of putting these scumbag families firmly back in their boxes. I'm beginning to think that unless there is a degree of vigilanteism in society the cops will never be embarrassed into getting off their holes and doing something.
The cops and the government are operating on the basis that as long as there are only a small number of isolated victims, they can turn a blind eye to this disgraceful behaviour.
I'm with you on that. Maybe the boards football team can just be a front
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The "easiest" option, of course is to move out - but that would mean making yourself - in the opinion of the Housing Authority" - "Intentionally homeless", and they would have no obligation to rehouse you. I kid you not.[/QUOTE]
If you havent left your house intentionally but have been driven from your home by continual harrassement and your children's safety is at risk, surely the council needs to take your situation seriously. Most council estates have about 90% decent families but the 10% who aren't can make life hell for people. The decent families need to show a firm united front to these families, and let them know that their behaviour is being watched and filmed, and will be dealt with, and the council should be looking at taking their houses off them, and rehousing them in solitude up the mountains somewhere!!
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I think the PC Brigade should swap houses with this lady.I Blame the Politicaly Correct Brigade for this
its about time we stop pandering to every minority and start protecting the majority
anyone fancy creating a new Political Party with a view to fighting the next Gerneral Election??
Then we will see how PC they really are. It will never happen of course, but would make a great reality show
idea for a solution to anti social behaviour.....
I've always thought a good idea that the gardai could do as an initiative is have a mobile base unit (prefab or something) that they could position in an estate in eye sight of difficult families houses. The unit could be used as a base unit for a few garda cars where they could have their tea breaks and do there office work, but at the same time been clearly seen in an area. The more cops you have using this temp station the better, so it is always manned and doesn't stop the gardas from doing other work since they would use it as a temp base and the gardas would rotate on a rooster what days they would be stationed there as a base station. The temp base with 3 garda cars using as a base would definitely act as a deterrent and would give piece of mind to the locals been terrorised. This would piss off the offending families and intimidate their movements and acts. This is what is needed.
I think Waterford City Gardai should pilot such an idea for 6 months to see if it would be effective or not.
Good idea or not? I think I will mention it to anyone who comes canvasing to me next.0 -
baronflyguy wrote: »I think the PC Brigade should swap houses with this lady.
Then we will see how PC they really are. It will never happen of course, but would make a great reality show
idea for a solution to anti social behaviour.....
I've always thought a good idea that the gardai could do as an initiative is have a mobile base unit (prefab or something) that they could position in an estate in eye sight of difficult families houses. The unit could be used as a base unit for a few garda cars where they could have their tea breaks and do there office work, but at the same time been clearly seen in an area. The more cops you have using this temp station the better, so it is always manned and doesn't stop the gardas from doing other work since they would use it as a temp base and the gardas would rotate on a rooster what days they would be stationed there as a base station. The temp base with 3 garda cars using as a base would definitely act as a deterrent and would give piece of mind to the locals been terrorised. This would piss off the offending families and intimidate their movements and acts. This is what is needed.
I think Waterford City Gardai should pilot such an idea for 6 months to see if it would be effective or not.
Good idea or not? I think I will mention it to anyone who comes canvasing to me next.
Not a bad idea but would need to be manned 24/7 or it would be burned to the ground in some estates ,0 -
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dark crystal wrote: »Hi all,
I have been living in my council house here in the city for around 7 years. About 3 years ago, we started having problems with a certain (well known) family on the estate.
So far, their kids have broken into our house, vandalising it and killing the kids' pet goldfish, stolen bikes from our back garden, thrown eggs at our house, give our daughters constant verbal abuse to the point they barely go outside anymore and it culminated yesterday when their scummer of a daughter kicked my daughter in the stomach.
Now, there's only so much I can take and I gave out stink to her and threatened to call the police on her if she touched my daughter again. Suffice it to say, her mother took umbridge at this telling off and stormed up to my house to threaten me with violence if I ever went near her little darling any more.
I can't count the number of times I've had to deal with sh!t from this particular family and to make matters worse, in their infinite wisdom, the city council decided to put a family of settled travellers next door to me - the best part is, they're related to the same family and their kids have now started on my daughters too. It's a total nightmare.
I've reported the incident to the anti social behaviour unit, but have told them I don't want them to tell the family in question about my complaint, as I believe it would only escalate the abuse and harrassment. I've already been threatened with having my house burnt down, my kids beaten up and my car stolen and burnt out.
I reported the break-in to the police at the time and they organised a liaison officer to get the families in question to cough up a small amount of compo for the stuff they stole and destroyed, but we got a load of abuse from extended members of their family afterwards and it seems no matter what we do, this family don't intend to stop hasseling us any time soon. My kids are in an awful state, at this stage and I just want to get out now.
Anyway, to cut to the main question, I was just wondering if there is an option to privately swap your council house with another council tenant, as it doesn't seem the council will rehouse me if I'm not willing to make an official statement.
If you agree to swap houses, do the council allow it or are you at risk of losing your house altogether? I've looked at the council's website and there's no info about house swaps at all.
Has anyone else here had any experience of house swaps, or any information on it?
Much thanks - sorry for the long post
There was a family around my area that were about to evicted for anti social behavior and they set fire to their house before eviction so the council had to give them another house. Dunno if they got away with it.
If you try evict them some other unlucky git will have them( I wouldnt care myself). Good luck0 -
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baronflyguy wrote: »I think the PC Brigade should swap houses with this lady.
Then we will see how PC they really are. It will never happen of course, but would make a great reality show
idea for a solution to anti social behaviour.....
I've always thought a good idea that the gardai could do as an initiative is have a mobile base unit (prefab or something) that they could position in an estate in eye sight of difficult families houses. The unit could be used as a base unit for a few garda cars where they could have their tea breaks and do there office work, but at the same time been clearly seen in an area. The more cops you have using this temp station the better, so it is always manned and doesn't stop the gardas from doing other work since they would use it as a temp base and the gardas would rotate on a rooster what days they would be stationed there as a base station. The temp base with 3 garda cars using as a base would definitely act as a deterrent and would give piece of mind to the locals been terrorised. This would piss off the offending families and intimidate their movements and acts. This is what is needed.
I think Waterford City Gardai should pilot such an idea for 6 months to see if it would be effective or not.
Good idea or not? I think I will mention it to anyone who comes canvasing to me next.
The problem, as I see it, is not that the cops couldn't stop all this very quickly if they put their minds to it, it's that they don't want to kick off a hornets nest of knackers v cops that is going to take up 90% of their time into the future, and possibly create no-go areas for the gards. They'll also complain that they are underfunded, etc.
It's an Irish solution to an Irish problem. Leave the knackers do what they want unless they get too out of hand, that way you preserve a semblance of order whilst giving the scumbags the impression that they are the boss. Like a backhanded kind of respect in return for relative peace (for all but a few unfortunates who will find no real help). How often have we heard the phrase "he was known to the gardai"? They know every last one of them, but they won't do a thing unless they have the evidence to put them away on something.
Cast your mind back to the incident with the travellers on the ORR. They spent a pile of cash just sitting around making sure nobody got killed. If 10 scumbags were breaking into your house, they'd be along an hour and a half late, but if the travellers start killing each other and there's a risk of negative national media exposure, it's all hands on deck. It's all about appearances. If it was any other country, those travellers would have been dealt with very quickly, and there'd be no farcical story in the News & Star featuring two travellers shaking hands promising to end the war, as if this peace treaty was the only force on earth that could have ended the bloody mayhem. They gards don't seem to "do" police work as such.0 -
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itsonlywords wrote: »Actually that is not a bad idea. SF lads have a nice way of sorting our anti social behaviour. Sometime the right form of words is all is required. Cops are a waste of time unfortunately as they are happier getting their subsidised snack boxes down at the apple market.
ya might find the cops useless but it might come in handy having incident reports when going to look for a transfer ;p
What ya need to do really though is. Tie a fiver to a piece of string. When one of them goes to pick it up, you drag the string so they follow the fiver. eventually they will walk into your legs, you're hiding around a corner BTW. When they bump into you all you need to do is stab him/her in the stomach and twist. Leave them squirm for a minute then finish em off with a slice of the throat. Replace the m,oney back on the footpath and keep doing this until you have a pile of scumbags chopped up beside you. Start posting bits back to their mother each day with little warnings. sorry. Im bored. 0 -
i thought the council has an automatic right to throw out unruly tenants, this looks like a case for that, although these are not tenants they are animals,dark crystal wrote: »Hi all,
I have been living in my council house here in the city for around 7 years. About 3 years ago, we started having problems with a certain (well known) family on the estate.
So far, their kids have broken into our house, vandalising it and killing the kids' pet goldfish, stolen bikes from our back garden, thrown eggs at our house, give our daughters constant verbal abuse to the point they barely go outside anymore and it culminated yesterday when their scummer of a daughter kicked my daughter in the stomach.
Now, there's only so much I can take and I gave out stink to her and threatened to call the police on her if she touched my daughter again. Suffice it to say, her mother took umbridge at this telling off and stormed up to my house to threaten me with violence if I ever went near her little darling any more.
I can't count the number of times I've had to deal with sh!t from this particular family and to make matters worse, in their infinite wisdom, the city council decided to put a family of settled travellers next door to me - the best part is, they're related to the same family and their kids have now started on my daughters too. It's a total nightmare.
I've reported the incident to the anti social behaviour unit, but have told them I don't want them to tell the family in question about my complaint, as I believe it would only escalate the abuse and harrassment. I've already been threatened with having my house burnt down, my kids beaten up and my car stolen and burnt out.
I reported the break-in to the police at the time and they organised a liaison officer to get the families in question to cough up a small amount of compo for the stuff they stole and destroyed, but we got a load of abuse from extended members of their family afterwards and it seems no matter what we do, this family don't intend to stop hasseling us any time soon. My kids are in an awful state, at this stage and I just want to get out now.
Anyway, to cut to the main question, I was just wondering if there is an option to privately swap your council house with another council tenant, as it doesn't seem the council will rehouse me if I'm not willing to make an official statement.
If you agree to swap houses, do the council allow it or are you at risk of losing your house altogether? I've looked at the council's website and there's no info about house swaps at all.
Has anyone else here had any experience of house swaps, or any information on it?
Much thanks - sorry for the long post
guess it will be hard to get a swap
no one will want your neighbour, i most certainly would not0 -
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