Luther [** Spoilers From Post #175 Onwards **]

EdK

Still like Luther but season 3 wasn't the strongest,Called Mary replacing Alice in the police van alright but why was a known murderer and fugitive sat in a police van uncuffed where the door could be opened from the inside.

Unless given her help to Luther they were being intentionally lax to let her escape

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

ill happily rewatch s1 and 2 in the future. don't see myself watching 3 again. disappointing overall.

This season was ultimately disappointing compared to the last. For me, season two was the greatest (though I admittedly haven't seen the first since it came out) - it has such excellent villains; the Springheeled Jack guy and the twins. However.. this season just lacked that. Yes, it had it's moments, but there wasn't anything massively memorable about any of them.

delbertgrady

pixelburp wrote: »

Wouldn't the cops have something on her that they could/should have detained her at the police station?

They sort of got around that by accepting that there was almost no point in detaining her, 'cos she'd just escape anyway. Paper thin, but what the hell? Personally, I felt the whole series needed more Alice. They teased us by having her in the initial trailer for the series (the shot of her coyly waving in the police station), so we knew she'd eventually appear, but there's a great onscreen chemistry between Idris Elba and Ruth Wilson that should have been used more.
Still, absence makes the heart grow fonder and it made me appreciate her all the more last night.
My favourite episode of an okay, but unremarkable series.

dr gonzo

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

ill happily rewatch s1 and 2 in the future. don't see myself watching 3 again. disappointing overall.

This is me exactly. In four episodes this series kicked the legs out from under my enthusiasm for the show. Plenty of possibilities, with some good moments, but ultimately meh. The whole internal affairs storyline was just utterly eyerolling too. It seems like the characters just couldnt make up their minds about how villainous Luther was so they were just blaming him for everything. What was up with

them arresting him for murder because he let a man armed with a shotgun escape, when Luther was completely vulnerable, and attempted murder because in reconciling with his girlfriend he told her to wait for him in his house...! absolutely dumb.

K-9

dr gonzo wrote: »

This is me exactly. In four episodes this series kicked the legs out from under my enthusiasm for the show. Plenty of possibilities, with some good moments, but ultimately meh. The whole internal affairs storyline was just utterly eyerolling too. It seems like the characters just couldnt make up their minds about how villainous Luther was so they were just blaming him for everything. What was up with

them arresting him for murder because he let a man armed with a shotgun escape, when Luther was completely vulnerable, and attempted murder because in reconciling with his girlfriend he told her to wait for him in his house...! absolutely dumb.

Arresting Luther for the murder made no sense, we'd just watched an episode with a crazed vigilante roaming the streets intoxicated on the fumes of public opinion, the police officer had stopped it and reduced his 15 minutes of fame, it made little sense to me.

Series 2 and the first episode of this series will stand out for me.

miralize

Just finished episode 1 of this season, pretty glad I have a slanted ceiling.

Penn

K-9 wrote: »

Arresting Luther for the murder made no sense, we'd just watched an episode with a crazed vigilante roaming the streets intoxicated on the fumes of public opinion, the police officer had stopped it and reduced his 15 minutes of fame, it made little sense to me.

Series 2 and the first episode of this series will stand out for me.

They didn't necessarily arrest Luther for the murder, but for organising the murder. They knew Luther had met up with Marwood and talked with him for a few minutes before letting him go. Justin was the only person who could have pinned any crimes on Luther (even though he'd shown he wasn't going to do that) and Mary was another loose end, so they arrested Luther for making a deal with Marwood that Luther would let Marwood go if he killed Justin and Mary for him.

But basically, Stark just wanted to pin anything on Luther he could. They had enough doubt to arrest Luther even though it probably wouldn't have stuck.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i dont see how mary could be considered a loose end though. all she knew was what the internal affairs people told her.

Penn

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

i dont see how mary could be considered a loose end though. all she knew was what the internal affairs people told her.

It was more so the fact that Luther convinced her to go to his house and stay there, and then she was attacked by Marwood right after he killed Justin (which would tie in to Luther asking him to kill both). They didn't know what Mary might have known but had reasonable suspicion that Luther arranged for her to be killed for whatever reason.

Again, Stark was looking for anything to pin on Luther. Even just getting him locked up for a few days could have given Stark enough time to find something he could properly tie to Luther.

tommy2bad

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

i dont see how mary could be considered a loose end though. all she knew was what the internal affairs people told her.

You have to remember that they were working from the premise that Luther was guilty and then fitting the evidence to suit. Like Marwood they were more intent on punishing the guilty in contrast to Luther who always works from the point of protecting the innocent. Remember Mary telling him his name meant defender of the people or something like that.
I liked the last one best, Alice really lit up the episode, a perfect mix of batsh1t crazy and Sherlock level intelligence.

Skerries

who wants an Alice spin off?, it could be in the same kind of vein as Dexter

adox

Skerries wrote: »

who wants an Alice spin off?, it could be in the same kind of vein as Dexter

I always looked on Alice as a female Hannibal Lecter rather than Dexter.

Fantastic female character though.

Have to say I really enjoyed season 3 although the weakest of the three, and I agree the internal investigation sub plot was tedious in the extreme.

ixoy

Got to say I pretty much hated the whole IA angle. The pretext for arresting Luther was completely flimsy and it made no sense that anybody would even entertain it - why didn't Shenk just tell them to piss off?

What I didn't hate was Luther & Alice team up. Alice is crazily bonkers enjoyment. Luther was on full screen command, especially when roaring about the utter hypocrisy of our vigilante killer in the run down building. Great stuff and yes, the show needs more Alice.

Weakest season overall though as there wasn't the same sort of stand out episode that the twins say gave us in the second season. I'll still gladly tune in for more.

Dietsquirt

adox wrote: »

I always looked on Alice as a female Hannibal Lecter rather than Dexter.

Fantastic female character though.

Have to say I really enjoyed season 3 although the weakest of the three, and I agree the internal investigation sub plot was tedious in the extreme.

Agreed, it was very frustrating at time, the actor who plays George, i thought his voice was irritating as ****

pickarooney

Skerries wrote: »

who wants an Alice spin off?, it could be in the same kind of vein as Dexter

They have the same last name. Coincidence?

Footoo

Skerries wrote: »

who wants an Alice spin off?, it could be in the same kind of vein as Dexter

Possible

http://www.digitalspy.ie/movies/news/a500891/ruth-wilson-on-luther-movie-alice-morgan-spinoff-ideas-are-spinning.html

Although herself and Dexter are at the complete opposite ends of the sociopathic spectrum imo.

dr gonzo

Skerries wrote: »

who wants an Alice spin off?, it could be in the same kind of vein as Dexter

Would that not just be the same show though? Shes smart and ruthless, and within the context of Luther shes an interesting character, but is she interesting in her own right?

I genuinely like Alice as a character but nowhere near on par with what everyone else seems to think of her. I was glad to see her re-emerge in the final episode but I certainly didnt think the show was hurting by her absence. Probably just me :pac:

miralize

I agree but for different reasons. She's a a character who, by design, shows little emotion. She works in the context of Luther because the man does get emotional, and so she was his foil. I dont know how you could/would develop a show around someone whose so uninterested in everything.

What would the show be, her on the run for 3 mini-seasons? Would it be her set in her time away from the show? I dont see an outcome where she is the main character in a show unfortunately. I do love her character though, and kind of hoping the movie isn't a prequel, as it would be incredibly difficult to include her in it.

Tipsy McSwagger

I must be in the minority but I absolutely loved this season. The creepy opening and the vigilante scenes being a standout. Mary bored me though.

Penn

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I must be in the minority but I absolutely loved this season. The creepy opening and the vigilante scenes being a standout. Mary bored me though.

I did love the season but I still think it was the weakest of the three.

I quite liked the Internal Affairs investigation. My only objection to it was

its poor resolution with Stark just being shot and dying.

pickarooney

Well, with a name like that...

Boom_Bap

I've had the S1 & S2 boxset just sitting on a shelf for months now.
I didn't know much about the show other than that Idris was in it, and that it was on the BBC.
With nothing else to watch, me and the wifepiece threw it on, watching the first episode, I was sitting with the laptop on my lap and giving my big description to the missus on how everything was going to end up, and pretty much wrote it off as being a predictable detective show.
I wont be allowed forget that in a hurry.
So we rattled through the 2 seasons and were left wanting for more, and what do you know, S3 had just finished on the box. So we blazed through that as well.

What an excellent show. As far as weak seasons go, there is none. It's top notch entertainment. The one down-side would be the hard ball Scottish guy from IA. He just wasn't convincing enough for me at times.

And how yer wan just reappears in the final episode was expected, but not with an entrance of such magnitude.

I would definitely give this series two meaty thumbs up.

rovoagho

The IA guy was the worst piece of casting I've seen in a BBC drama in yonks. How they can get someone so right for Alice and so wrong for him is beyond me.

krieture

rovoagho wrote: »

The IA guy was the worst piece of casting I've seen in a BBC drama in yonks. How they can get someone so right for Alice and so wrong for him is beyond me.

I don't think the casting was particularly bad, in fact i found him quite good. But he could only do so much with the story arc and dialogue that was written for him.

I found that IA aspect started well up until the start of ep 4. The way they ended that aspect felt lazy and undercooked. It felt like they needed to give the story complete closure so ended the IA bit abruptly...

pixelburp

The casting for Stark was fine; David O'Hara can play those sorts of bent/dirty authority figures in his sleep so that was fine. It was the script that let the side down, and as said above it was woefully undercooked. It felt it was building up to something only for that storyline to get parked and quickly resolved - I wonder if perhaps it suffered from a problematic rewrite. Alice was dropped into the last episode quite suddenly, and I'm thinking maybe the IA thread suffered as a result, that it had to be pared back and quickly tied up, to make room for the Luther and Alice show.

rovoagho

Nope, it was the casting / actor. He overacted the crap out of it, must've thought he was an old school Bond baddie or something. I was waiting for a phone call from Baron Greenback with orders.

pixelburp

Bumping the thread as apparently Neil Cross has a script ready for a film version of Luther. I'm not sure penning a prequel is such a great idea - the lack of any involvement from Alice would be a shame, even if she became something of a cartoon - but after Season 3 it's kinda hard to see where the show might go from there.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/luther-might-get-a-movie-prequel%2C102232/

JP Liz V1

pixelburp wrote: »

Bumping the thread as apparently Neil Cross has a script ready for a film version of Luther. I'm not sure penning a prequel is such a great idea - the lack of any involvement from Alice would be a shame, even if she became something of a cartoon - but after Season 3 it's kinda hard to see where the show might go from there.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/luther-might-get-a-movie-prequel%2C102232/

Bigger things for Idris now

Alfred Borden

Just started watching this and on the fourth episode already, this is brilliant, rival for Sherlock from the BBC in the last few years.

Basq

As much as I love Sherlock, I did think Luther was more consistent in it's run than Sherlock has been (at least one dud a series so far).

Alfred Borden

Basq wrote: »

As much as I love Sherlock, I did think Luther was more consistent in it's run than Sherlock has been (at least one dud a series so far).

Feeling the same way so far but too early for me to judge.

SherlockWatson

Basq wrote: »

As much as I love Sherlock, I did think Luther was more consistent in it's run than Sherlock has been (at least one dud a series so far).

I think both went a little off kilter at one stage or another, but both terrific BBC productions, even there low points are better than most other TV shows.

Basq

SherlockWatson wrote: »

even there low points are better the most other TV shows.

Very true.. the Beeb really are in a class of their own with drama.

Play catch-up on Line Of Duty recently.. another corker of a show!

K-9

Basq wrote: »

As much as I love Sherlock, I did think Luther was more consistent in it's run than Sherlock has been (at least one dud a series so far).

I only started watching Luther with the second series. Only got the first series box set in January and was a little disappointed.

I can see why somebody who watched it from the start would see the second and third series as up there with Sherlock, I had a notion the second and third series had film length episodes like Sherlock, I think the production quality is higher which made me think they were longer.

In the Line of Duty is worth a watch, hope they do another series, though Peaky Blinders would be the unmissable BBC drama to catch up on.

Alfred Borden

Just done the first season and thats truly one of my favourite first seasons ever.

Alfred Borden

Just finished this now and found it brilliant, raging there wont be another series. Have to say though that i dont find it a coincidence that the more Alice figured the stronger the season it was. She is one of my favourite female characters, fair dues to Ruth Wilson, will be looking out for her in the future.

JP Liz V1

www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s219/luther/news/a592563/idris-elba-hints-at-luther-return-television-is-beckoning


Idris says Luther will return on TV

Alfred Borden

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s219/luther/news/a592563/idris-elba-hints-at-luther-return-television-is-beckoning


Idris says Luther will return on TV

Ah thats great news. Only got into it recently but the its such high quality drama.

Alfred Borden

YES!!!!!

BBC One ‏@BBCOne 2m2 minutes ago
#Luther is coming back to where he belongs. Back to London. Back to work. And back to @BBCOne

BBC One ‏@BBCOne 2m2 minutes ago
.@idriselba will reprise his role as DCI John #Luther in 2015 for two hour-long event specials for @BBCOne.

MagicMarker

Only two hours?

Disappointing.

Boom_Bap

I've also heard of a US version of Luther, Idris will be exec producer rather than lead.

Basq

Excellent news..

.. time for a re-watch methinks!

Boom_Bap

Basq wrote: »

Excellent news..

.. time for a re-watch methinks!

yeah, long overdue on my part for a re-watch

Basq

This popped up on BBC Facebook about an hour ago..

B_Sharp

Idris Elba posted on Twitter saying shooting for Season 4 had begun. Would recommend Luther to anyone with Netflix, thought Season 1 was superb. Bit like Sherlock except the main character is a tough b*stard kind of genius rather than a sociopath kind of genius!

Have to say though, thought Season 2 & 3 were pretty weak. Just hoping that the next one makes up for them.

shalalala

B_Sharp wrote: »

Idris Elba posted on Twitter saying shooting for Season 4 had begun. Would recommend Luther to anyone with Netflix, thought Season 1 was superb. Bit like Sherlock except the main character is a tough b*stard kind of genius rather than a sociopath kind of genius!

Have to say though, thought Season 2 & 3 were pretty weak. Just hoping that the next one makes up for them.

You have literally made my day! I just love Luther, the character, the storylines, I find it completely gripping.

Helps of course that idris is easy on the eye

drugstore cowboy

shalalala wrote: »

You have literally made my day! I just love Luther, the character, the storylines, I find it completely gripping.

Helps of course that idris is easy on the eye

There's a novel penned by Neil Cross himself about Luther before Season 1.

Check it out!

shalalala

drugstore cowboy wrote: »

There's a novel penned by Neil Cross himself about Luther before Season 1.

Check it out!

I may actually try this! Thanks

shadowcomplex

A friend recommended a british tv series called luther to me, any good?