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Aston Villa v Birmingham City, 12.00

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  • #102
    Neil3030
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    SantryRed wrote: »
    It was not in the category of foul. Not at all. He got the ball, end of. Agbonlahor was clearly not in control of the ball as it had been touched by Johnson, Agbonlahor does not become in control of the ball again until he touches it again.

    That simply isn't true, as evidenced by the law of shepherding the ball out of play - you do not need to touch the ball to be deemed in control.


  • #103
    noodler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,519 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I think you need to join a team Neil.


  • #104
    SantryRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    That simply isn't true, as evidenced by the law of shepherding the ball out of play - you do not need to touch the ball to be deemed in control.

    That's technically illegal. It just is not enforced!

    I just can't believe you are trying to justify that penalty.


  • #105
    SuprSi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭SuprSi


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    That simply isn't true, as evidenced by the law of shepherding the ball out of play - you do not need to touch the ball to be deemed in control.

    Completely different rule. You can get away with all sorts of stuff you wouldn't get away with anywhere else on the pitch when shepherding the ball out of play. This tackle was almost a penalty, but he got the ball so any arguments for it being a penalty are irrelevant.


  • #106
    Neil3030
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    noodler wrote: »
    I think you need to join a team Neil.

    Haven't the time to commit anymore unfortunately. 5-aside once a week is about all I can manage, if I'm lucky. Thanks for the offer though.
    SantryRed wrote: »
    That's technically illegal. It just is not enforced!

    I just can't believe you are trying to justify that penalty.

    It's not illegal. The player guarding the ball out of play is deemed in control of the ball, despite him not having touched it.
    SuprSi wrote: »
    Completely different rule. You can get away with all sorts of stuff you wouldn't get away with anywhere else on the pitch when shepherding the ball out of play. This tackle was almost a penalty, but he got the ball so any arguments for it being a penalty are irrelevant.

    I disagree. The tackle was almost a great tackle. I only brought up shepherding as an example that you do not need to have touched the ball to be deemed in control. After Johnson's touch, Gabby could have had a shot, but was taken down - foul.

    The context aside (me being a Villa fan, Villa not deserving to win the game, Birmingham dominating the second half and missing several chances), it was a foul.


  • #107
    MagicMarker
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    Just saw the incident for the first time.

    Clearly wasn't a penalty.


  • #108
    Pot Noodle =
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    Johnson got the ball end off


  • #109
    monkey9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Just saw the incident for the first time.

    Clearly wasn't a penalty.
    Pot wrote:
    Johnson got the ball end off

    I'd let it go at this stage. The poster arguing that it was a peno has pretty much admitted in the Villa thread that he was wumming it!


  • #110
    Neil3030
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    monkey9 wrote: »
    I'd let it go at this stage. The poster arguing that it was a peno has pretty much admitted in the Villa thread that he was wumming it!

    "the poster"

    Harsh, man. Needlessly harsh.


  • #111
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    Just saw the incident first time round on the Last Word.

    Clear Penalty. Never go to ground in your area...if that was given for a free outside the box, no-one would say anything


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  • #112
    Raekwon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭Raekwon


    http://cache04.stormap.sapo.pt/vidstore06/videos/bc/e4/83/1416890_Z62lS.mp4

    It was a harsh penalty but it was given and Villa collected all 3 points. <--- (that black dot is a full stop btw)

    Johnston's toes did scrap off the ball but he did follow through to take Gabby out of it. The ball changed directed ever so slightly and the pace of the ball increased but if Gabby hadn't of had his legs taken from under him he probably would have kept it in.

    Villa were very lucky, but so what, Vidic should have gotten a straight red in the League Cup final and Terry/Deco should have both walked in the FA Cup semi (not to mention Mikel's challenge on Gabby in the box) but they didn't and Villa lost on both occasions, shít happens, move on.


  • #113
    Kiwi_knock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,463 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    As a Birmingham fan I should be rightly giving out about this decision but I do not really mind, it hurts to lose to your rivals but this game really will not affect our season in any way. It was not a penalty but I can see why it was given, Johnson did not get a good enough touch on it. From the ref's angle he could not see the touch so he presumed Gabby poked it forward and was taken out. Johnson's touch needed to divert the ball but it did not so penalty was given. Was not a penalty but not really the refs fault.


  • #114
    JPA
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    25435_112223808815197_100000827355070_76469_5718431_n.jpg

    Just adding another opinion to the mix.


  • #115
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,681 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Graham Poll :D


  • #116
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    JPA wrote: »
    25435_112223808815197_100000827355070_76469_5718431_n.jpg

    Just adding another opinion to the mix.

    the same opinion who said vidic shouldnt have been sent off and terrys assault on milner wasnt a sending off?


  • #117
    JPA
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    Helix wrote: »
    the same opinion who said vidic shouldnt have been sent off and terrys assault on milner wasnt a sending off?


    Hey I only post what's beneficial to Villa man. ;)


  • #118
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    oh, and Martin O'Neill was an embarrassment after the game too.

    i never understand why managers don't just admit they got the rub of the green. it frustrates me no end.

    he kept being asked, 'but he got the ball' to which he kept replying, 'it was a penalty'.

    childish nonsense to be honest.

    i agree there should be an FA charge to Carr though; a joke of a reaction. he looked like a crazy man.


  • #119
    noodler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,519 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    SlickRic wrote: »

    i agree there should be an FA charge to Carr though; a joke of a reaction. he looked like a crazy man.

    It'd cause uproar after Torres got away with his though.


  • #120
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    SlickRic wrote: »
    he kept being asked, 'but he got the ball' to which he kept replying, 'it was a penalty'.

    childish nonsense to be honest.

    Interviewer's fault if he is continuously asked "but he got the ball", then he can repeat himself too

    At least his repeated answer was right.:P


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  • #121
    jacool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,126 ✭✭✭jacool


    Martin O'Neill has gone down massively in my opinion as he develops super vision to see the penalty call from where he was.
    Here's three things he didn't see in their last 2 games.
    In this game, there was a Villa player in the D when Milner struck the ball.
    Last week Carew was offside for his goal.
    Delsounso was off then on then off and finally on for his goal.
    He did see all the good stuff, but none of the bad.
    Possible contender for the Arsenal job then ;)


  • #122
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    noodler wrote: »
    It'd cause uproar after Torres got away with his though.

    i'm not talking about the kicking of the penalty spot.

    i'm talking about the veins popping out of his neck, looking like he's going to muller the ref.


  • #123
    Helix
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    jacool wrote: »
    Martin O'Neill has gone down massively in my opinion as he develops super vision to see the penalty call from where he was.

    2 feet away from a tv when he watched the replay after the game and before the interview?


  • #124
    wynters
    Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭wynters


    *STOP PRESS* Helix sticks-up for MON shocker! :eek::)

    Definite penalty, Johnson's touch was very slight, and had he not taken the man aswell Gabby could have gone on to shoot or square the ball for someone else.

    Taking man and ball? Is a foul. In the box? That's a peno. Know this.


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