Photos of Roma on the door of Vibes and Scribes...

The Pontiac

I know a shop owner that has been screwed over a few times by Romas. They can get very, very aggressive too. They really are a waste of space. Yes, I'm generalising here too, simply because I've never known one to be anything other than a thieving or begging scumbag.

Moro Man

miss_shadow wrote: »

Are you for real..

Most certainly....


and is that the best retort you can muster?

rebel10

Moro Man wrote: »

Are you suggesting that they should change their custom/traditions to fit in with 'our' view of the way their lives should be lived?

This is their culture.

Beating women.

Arranged underage marriage, where the grooms family are the ones who have to pay a 'dowry' hence any girl around 12 will be sold off, and if you wonder why the women seem to be doing everything and the men nothing it is because of this where the women have been 'bought' by their husbands' families and by **** are they going to get their moneys worth.

Begging and stealing an honourable profession.


To all you racist card playing politically correct gimps out there, these are the facts of the situation and to be honest the twats who are complaining about Vibes and Scribes are guilty of an even worse racist type offence.

Ye obviously can't differentiate between individual Roma and only see the clothes. Do they all look the same to you?

Is that your problem?

It's not as if a sign was put up saying 'No Roma Welcome'

It's individuals who have been 'allegedly' shoplifting who were photographed. This is done in shops all over the country, White. Black,Asian,African,Eastern European the whole racial spectrum. The only common trait is that they are 'alleged' shoplifters. Very few of these have been convicted in the courts but the shame factor keeps them away. This case has cropped up because the people barred CONTINUED to come in and refused to be barred.

Every business in the city has the right to refuse entry to customers based on previous experiences, but seemingly as long as they are not wearing a 'culturally diverse' outfit according to the PC tosspot brigade

Very well said.

Cavehill Red

If every last Roma left Ireland forever in the morning, I would throw a huge party.

CantGetNoSleep

Cavehill Red wrote: »

If every last Roma left Ireland forever in the morning, I would throw a huge party.

And buy a rose from whoever happened to be selling them after!

miss_shadow

Moro Man wrote: »

Most certainly....


and is that the best retort you can muster?

So you think it's ok that a man hits a woman, it's their culture.

You are perfectly fine working hard only for tax to be deducted to pay for these leeches that appear to be here without jobs and robbing us.

You think it's ok that they can just be here acting the way they do when citizens of Ireland spend a lot of time being nice to others, having manners, and earning an honest euro..

If you're going to speak highly of these eh humans then I'd suggest you put you're head in a book or atleast try not to ignore facts.

And yes I have had experience with romas and can have my opinion of them, just like they can have their opinion of the poor victims they will rob and harrass today..tomorrow..the day after that..

kart

<Ollie> wrote: »

I know a shop owner that has been screwed over a few times by Romas. They can get very, very aggressive too. They really are a waste of space. Yes, I'm generalising here too, simply because I've never known one to be anything other than a thieving or begging scumbag.

Thats the thing, many people do generalize. As i have known many romanians, i can tell one thing - there are romanians and there are romanian gypsies - two totally different groups of people. About 10 pct of people in romania are the ones fitting to the second group. Their language is different, their heritance is different, their look is different..because they simply are a different nationality, just living in many areas (mostly in Romania and Moldova).

They make as much trouble there as they make everywhere else they are going... it is a huge problem, because most of them have no education, their parents don't put them to school and they continue to do same with their own children..
Romanian orphanages are filled with gypsy kids, i am quoting my romanian friend who has worked in their local social welfare, saying "more than 90 pct of kids in orphanages are gypsies".

Begging, scamming and stealing is what they have done for centuries and will continue to do, because most of them doesn't know any better... I personally haven't met any people from their origin, who has more education than 3-4 grades and who is working - not even a single one. However, i have heard that there is such individuals - rarely, but is (specially in territory of France).

Coming back to the original subject of this thread... in my opinion putting out pictures of unconvicted thiefs of any nationality is ok - as long as it doesn't involve publishing those pictures outside their own business. If people on the pictures have a problem about it and they think they have been accused for no reason, then they can always go and have a chat with the owner - you can say that the damage to their reputation has already been done... but do u really think that those pictures are put up before being absolutely sure that they are stealing from the shop?

I do think it is shopowners right to do so as they see no other way fighting back..
In the other hand.. i don't think it stops those thiefs, as seen with the current problem, it is rather making them more agressive towards this shop.

The Pontiac

kart wrote: »

Thats the thing, many people do generalize. As i have known many romanians, i can tell one thing - there are romanians and there are romanian gypsies - two totally different groups of people. About 10 pct of people in romania are the ones fitting to the second group. Their language is different, their heritance is different, their look is different..because they simply are a different nationality, just living in many areas (mostly in Romania and Moldova)..

Nobody is confusing the two here. We're talking about Roma Gypsies. I don't think English people do that either with the Irish traveller movement in England.. when they start building houses without planning permission, start stealing caravans and motorhomes (recent case of £700,000 worth) etc. etc.

I'm all for respecting their culture and everything, but stealing and scamming people is something I won't excuse. Sorry.

You're right that it is a vicious circle and the kids have very little chance to turn out any different, but that still doesn't make their actions right though.

Moro Man

miss_shadow wrote: »

So you think it's ok that a man hits a woman, it's their culture.

You are perfectly fine working hard only for tax to be deducted to pay for these leeches that appear to be here without jobs and robbing us.

You think it's ok that they can just be here acting the way they do when citizens of Ireland spend a lot of time being nice to others, having manners, and earning an honest euro..

If you're going to speak highly of these eh humans then I'd suggest you put you're head in a book or atleast try not to ignore facts.

And yes I have had experience with romas and can have my opinion of them, just like they can have their opinion of the poor victims they will rob and harrass today..tomorrow..the day after that..

I think you missed my point.

The sarcasm sign wasn't on sorry, the quote about people expecting them to change was tongue in cheek


The bleeding heart liberal types say we should embrace them and their culture and not try to victimise them because of their cultural diversity and they should not be expected to change to fit in with ours.

This is the line they always wheel out for all cultures / traditions.


The point I was making was do they they expect us to do it in this case, because their culture includes gross mistreatment of their women and children and an extremely high % of them their stock and trade is theft and begging.

I certainly do not think it is right to hit women.

Gigiwagga

Moro Man wrote: »

Are you suggesting that they should change their custom/traditions to fit in with 'our' view of the way their lives should be lived?

This is their culture.

Beating women.

Arranged underage marriage, where the grooms family are the ones who have to pay a 'dowry' hence any girl around 12 will be sold off, and if you wonder why the women seem to be doing everything and the men nothing it is because of this where the women have been 'bought' by their husbands' families and by **** are they going to get their moneys worth.

Begging and stealing an honourable profession.


To all you racist card playing politically correct gimps out there, these are the facts of the situation and to be honest the twats who are complaining about Vibes and Scribes are guilty of an even worse racist type offence.

Ye obviously can't differentiate between individual Roma and only see the clothes. Do they all look the same to you?

Is that your problem?

It's not as if a sign was put up saying 'No Roma Welcome'

It's individuals who have been 'allegedly' shoplifting who were photographed. This is done in shops all over the country, White. Black,Asian,African,Eastern European the whole racial spectrum. The only common trait is that they are 'alleged' shoplifters. Very few of these have been convicted in the courts but the shame factor keeps them away. This case has cropped up because the people barred CONTINUED to come in and refused to be barred.

Every business in the city has the right to refuse entry to customers based on previous experiences, but seemingly as long as they are not wearing a 'culturally diverse' outfit according to the PC tosspot brigade

I have nothing what so ever against anybody's dress code, the only reason I mentioned it at all was (if you bothered reading previous posts by others suggesting that a Roma could not possibly own a 04 BMW jeep) to use the only means at my disposal to clarify the identity of the individual.
Personally I don't like seeing anybody abusing anybody in the way I saw that man doing.
In the course of my working life I have worked with people of many different ethnic backgrounds and never thought twice about it.

I don't really consider begging and stealing an honourable profession, regardless of who is doing it, I don't get your point here and I think you are showing considerable naivety with your attack.
I always respect others and hope they show the same respect for me, regardless of their nationality or ethnic background.
You condone the abuse of women because it is part of some ones culture.
Well sorry but I don't and won't. Do you approve of female genital mutilation because it's part of someone culture also.
Do ethnic mores come before human rights? not for me.
People should be able to wear what they want, punk, Roma, Transsexual, whatever.

dunleakelleher

simu wrote: »

(and the fact that all the folks in the photos are Roma has the unfortunate effect of tarring them all with the same brush)

No the fact that all the folks in the photos are Roma Gypsies only proves on thing. This shopkeeper and many more are being intimidated and harass by these people. I can only assume it purely coincidental that they are all from the same ethnic background. :rolleyes:
Although as reports are coming out from all over europe including in Romania that this type of behaviour is part of their culture. But we in Ireland are much too intelligent and PC to admit this. It has to be racism on our part.:rolleyes:

castie

billybigunz Perm Ban -he has been told to contact me to discuss this further

Cant believe I actually have to say this.
Anyone admitting on this forum to a crime such as assault and glamourizing it as "feeling great" will be permanently banned from this forum, your input is not welcome with an attitude like that. Especially if it is targeted at a particular race of people.

Moro Man

Gigiwagga wrote: »

I have nothing what so ever against anybody's dress code, the only reason I mentioned it at all was (if you bothered reading previous posts by others suggesting that a Roma could not possibly own a 04 BMW jeep) to use the only means at my disposal to clarify the identity of the individual.
Personally I don't like seeing anybody abusing anybody in the way I saw that man doing.
In the course of my working life I have worked with people of many different ethnic backgrounds and never thought twice about it.

I don't really consider begging and stealing an honourable profession, regardless of who is doing it, I don't get your point here and I think you are showing considerable naivety with your attack.
I always respect others and hope they show the same respect for me, regardless of their nationality or ethnic background.
You condone the abuse of women because it is part of some ones culture.
Well sorry but I don't and won't. Do you approve of female genital mutilation because it's part of someone culture also.
Do ethnic mores come before human rights? not for me.
People should be able to wear what they want, punk, Roma, Transsexual, whatever.

If you think my post was attacking you or your opinions I suggest you read it again, preferably slowly.