Gardai seizing unrestricted bikes

Teddy Daniels · 28-04-2010 11:49am

bladespin wrote: »

you don't think something's astray if an engine that's supposed to produce 33bhp is producing say 150bhp? Come on man.

I certainly don't abide bikers being targetted by gardai or any other agency but this is a simple vehicle check, that do the same with any cay they suspect isn't what it's sopposed to be.

Its not a "defect".

cantdecide · 28-04-2010 11:53am

Is there an offense along the lines of 'driving without the appropriate license' or something to that effect?

How many people are out there unknowingly driving with expired licenses?

bladespin · 28-04-2010 12:05pm

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

Its not a "defect".

How do you figure that? It means the restrictor isn't working properly doesn't it?

cantdecide wrote: »

Is there an offense along the lines of 'driving without the appropriate license' or something to that effect?

Driving without license or insurance.

Dorsanty · 28-04-2010 1:31pm

Actually I partially agree with Teddy Daniels on the defect point.

I've edited the bold highlight on my last post. After reading it again I see it reads that the even if there is a defect the defect must make the vehicle a danger to the public.

I do agree with others that if a bike is required to have a restrictor, it's failure or magical disappearance is a defect.

So where does that leave us? I'd say a Garda would not be able to ride your bike and would only be able to pull you on suspicion of driving without a license (i.e. the license to ride a full power bike) and have your bike impounded and then tested. Good luck with the driving without a license court appearance for those of you who are risking it.

hobochris · 28-04-2010 2:37pm

RosieJoe wrote: »

I did the Bikesafe course last year and afterwards I was talking to one of the Sergeants. He saw a lid with a biker.ie sticker on it. He knew of the forum and asked if I was a member too.

A few of the lads from the bike division of the traffic corp are members of biker.ie as well as other sites, so they'd know well what goes on.

bladespin · 28-04-2010 3:50pm

hobochris wrote: »

A few of the lads from the bike division of the traffic corp are members of biker.ie as well as other sites, so they'd know well what goes on.

Some are members here too

Idleater · 28-04-2010 3:52pm

bladespin wrote: »

Some are members here too

Sketch!

:pac:

Teddy Daniels · 28-04-2010 4:30pm

bladespin wrote: »

Some are members here too

But we never advocate illegal behaviour.

hobochris · 28-04-2010 5:26pm

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

But we never advocate illegal behaviour.

Is that a statement or implication? :pac:

bladespin · 28-04-2010 6:24pm

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

But we never advocate illegal behaviour.

Just evasion and obstruction lol.

Stainless_Steel · 29-04-2010 12:13am

Would the gardai be satisfied a bike is restricted with a receipt for a brand new bike indicating the model as "factory restricted"?

I'm not thinking of a scam btw...my bike is factory restricted but have zero proof except the receipt.

Idleater · 29-04-2010 7:55am

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

my bike is factory restricted but have zero proof except the receipt.

Did you buy it new? Or even buy it here? The vehicle registration documents list the power as 25kw and have 5's in one of the sections- can't remember which one though.

Stainless_Steel · 29-04-2010 8:55am

nereid wrote: »

Did you buy it new? Or even buy it here? The vehicle registration documents list the power as 25kw and have 5's in one of the sections- can't remember which one though.

Yep I bought it new here. Checked my log book, has fives for power output but so does my car one!

Idleater · 29-04-2010 9:27am

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Yep I bought it new here. Checked my log book, has fives for power output but so does my car one!

Maybe the 5's indicate factory restricted. There was something like that. I remember thinking it was odd that it never specifically said.
Hopefully someone currently with a factory restricted bike can help out more, my restriction period is well up at this stage and I have moved onwards and upwards.

RosieJoe · 29-04-2010 9:45am

My Bandit is factory restricted too and I think this is indicated on the log book. AFAIK it's indicated by a letter at the end of the chassis/engine number.

I'd need to check mine at home to verify this though.

Idleater · 29-04-2010 9:49am

RosieJoe wrote: »

AFAIK it's indicated by a letter at the end of the chassis/engine number.

In my case (SV-650) the ecu serial number was listed with Suzuki, and could be verified with a simple phone call. Bandit's are washers in the carbs, so not as easy to verify without dismantling (this is applicable at the side of the road) in which case, you may be correct with the engine/chasis number.

bladespin · 29-04-2010 9:59am

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Would the gardai be satisfied a bike is restricted with a receipt for a brand new bike indicating the model as "factory restricted"?

I'm not thinking of a scam btw...my bike is factory restricted but have zero proof except the receipt.

All factory restricted bikes should be listed as such on the databases, you should have no problem and I doubt if you'd be asked for any paperwork on it if you mention that.

cantdecide · 29-04-2010 10:24am

bladespin wrote: »

All factory restricted bikes should be listed as such on the databases, you should have no problem and I doubt if you'd be asked for any paperwork on it if you mention that.

As the OP- let me tell you, even proof of factory restriction isn't enough. Believe me

bladespin · 29-04-2010 10:45am

cantdecide wrote: »

As the OP- let me tell you, even proof of factory restriction isn't enough. Believe me

Strange that, from the insurance point of view that's the holy grail, would've thought the gardai followed the same logic.

Funny thing is the difference between factory restrictions, some have a ridiculous throttle stop lol, some use washers that are a 10 minute job to remove, others ecu etc that cost hunderds if not thousands to change.

pa990 · 29-04-2010 12:51pm

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

that is not what that says
inspect is different to drive

read 2 b

Teddy Daniels · 29-04-2010 1:21pm

pa990 wrote: »

read 2 b

I don't agree with the defination of defect. I also don't agree with the full power harleys because of a missreading of the power/weight ratio thing btw and thats th one I'd love to see clarified in court.

Teddy Daniels · 29-04-2010 1:24pm

cantdecide wrote: »

As the OP- let me tell you, even proof of factory restriction isn't enough. Believe me

what acually happened and did he site which act / special power he was using and go "You are required under" like they do at the breath checkpoints? Or did he just say let me ride your bike to check it .

blackbird98 · 29-04-2010 2:03pm

happened to a friend of mine last year. full licence, restricted, on a ninja. cop rode it up the road, no helmet or gear etc. they were going to confiscate it.

luckily, Quinn Direct acknowledged that they would still regard it as insured, irrespective of restricted licence!!

KamiKazi · 29-04-2010 2:05pm

blackbird98 wrote: »

luckily, Quinn Direct acknowledged that they would still regard it as insured, irrespective of restricted licence!!

More info on this!

bladespin · 29-04-2010 2:31pm

KamiKazi wrote: »

More info on this!

AFIK
As an insurance company:
If you enter into a contract of insurance in error you're obliged to provide the minimum cover, TPO, you can reclaim any losses though.

KamiKazi · 29-04-2010 2:39pm

bladespin wrote: »

AFIK
As an insurance company:
If you enter into a contract of insurance in error you're obliged to provide the minimum cover, TPO, you can reclaim any losses though.

I know that yeah but the way he said it it sounded like they had no problem covering him.

Anyway the whole entering into a contract in error thingy is a huge grey area as the insurance co. will still insure you on a provisional on a > 33BHP bike even if you specifically state that it will not be restricted.

Stainless_Steel · 29-04-2010 4:34pm

bladespin wrote: »

Strange that, from the insurance point of view that's the holy grail, would've thought the gardai followed the same logic.

Funny thing is the difference between factory restrictions, some have a ridiculous throttle stop lol, some use washers that are a 10 minute job to remove, others ecu etc that cost hunderds if not thousands to change.

My factory restricted yamaha is a throttle stop. I think it's the best as easy to derestrict...don't need to buy a new ECU!

bladespin · 29-04-2010 4:53pm

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

My factory restricted yamaha is a throttle stop. I think it's the best as easy to derestrict...don't need to buy a new ECU!

That's the problem.

KTRIC · 29-04-2010 5:54pm

bladespin wrote: »

That's the problem.

They are prone to falling off, everyone knows that !!

StinkyMunkey · 29-04-2010 7:24pm

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

My factory restricted yamaha is a throttle stop. I think it's the best as easy to derestrict...don't need to buy a new ECU!

My fazor was restricted, it was on when i bought it. Always wondered why i was being pwnt by push bike at the lights. Mechanic asked me why it was restricted when i brought it in for a service, considering i had an FJR before. Told him i never even knew it was there, took him five mins to take off.

Gardai seizing unrestricted bikes

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