New Dublin bus routes/Changes to Bus routes

Polar101

thomasj wrote: »

It's good to see the 220 remain but I hope this hasn't impacted the plans for the 17a, this would have been an ideal route

I'm kind of worried that they don't now mention the 17a anywhere. And the 220 remaining would suggest it has something to do with that..

KC61

Polar101 wrote: »

I'm kind of worried that they don't now mention the 17a anywhere. And the 220 remaining would suggest it has something to do with that..

It is still mentioned here:
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-1/Blanchardstown/

A high frequency orbital service from Blanchardstown Centre serving James Connolly Hospital, Snugborough Road, Cappagh Hospital, Finglas, Dublin City University, Santry, Beaumont Hospital, Coolock and Kilbarrack (Howth Junction Rail Station).

As I said above I imagine this is a core part of the changes - the 220 will I suspect remain but at a lower frequency than at present.

Nevyn

So we will have direct buses which link to ucd and dcu which run at weekends, good.

KC61

A new and clearer version of the Blanchardstown QBC map has now been released on the Dublin Bus website:

http://www.dublinbus.ie/PageFiles/5994/New%20Blanchardstown%20Corridor%20v10%20copy.pdf

anniehoo

Am still no wiser to where the stop for 39a will be on the "Blanchardstown bypass" tbh...any ideas?

Nevyn

nope and we don't know until the changes are rolled out and the maps with the stops plotted are published.

thomasj

I don't think it's a stop I think it's more likely a fare stage

As much as a safe stop on the bypass would be a good thing for people using the village it's just a gut feeling I have that the last stop will be opposite the eBay building

January

thomasj wrote: »

I don't think it's a stop I think it's more likely a fare stage

As much as a safe stop on the bypass would be a good thing for people using the village it's just a gut feeling I have that the last stop will be opposite the eBay building

Looking at the layout the only safe place for it would be to stop where it usually does at the travelodge at castleknock... unfortunately a bit away for people who are coming from the village.

TheChrisD

anniehoo wrote: »

Am still no wiser to where the stop for 39a will be on the "Blanchardstown bypass" tbh...any ideas?

Is there not a stop being built just after the Blanchardstown junction with the N3 at the junction where the flyover bridge outside Total Fitness? Maybe it'll come off the N3 at the hospital and stop along there, whereas on the way back it'll stop in the same place it always has?

Zaph

Disappointed to see the 39x being scrapped. I only occasionally take the bus to work, but when I do I use this one because it stops in O'Connell Street. Now I presume I'll have to walk from somewhere before Capel Street Bridge to the IFSC? Fine when it's sunny, but it's a fair schlep on a wet morning.

TheChrisD

Yea, they claim that merging with the 39a makes sense, but what of the fair few people each day who get the Xpresso's in the morning who actually want to go to places like Phibsborough, Parnell Sq. and the like.

Then again, if you're going to the IFSC, do you not live near enough to the train line to get the train to Docklands?

thomasj

Zaph wrote: »

Disappointed to see the 39x being scrapped. I only occasionally take the bus to work, but when I do I use this one because it stops in O'Connell Street. Now I presume I'll have to walk from somewhere before Capel Street Bridge to the IFSC? Fine when it's sunny, but it's a fair schlep on a wet morning.

Just to point out the current route of turning right on caple street and heading down dame street will be no more when the new timetable comes into force. It's not possible for any vehicles to turn right from dame street onto trinity college/grafton street

All of the 37s/39s/39as/70s will follow the current 39b
route. after Ormond quay will head straight down the quays, stop on bachelors walk then cross over o'connell bridge

dirtynosebeps

just a pointer. theres no word yet on when these changes are coming in. according to my sources the new timetables haven't been agreed yet. what i can see though is dublin bus management pushing is these like they're doing with other routes this sun. see commuting and transport. then dont be surprised if we have the same ol crap again like last year from harristown.

Zaph

TheChrisD wrote: »

Then again, if you're going to the IFSC, do you not live near enough to the train line to get the train to Docklands?

I normally drive to Coolmine, leave my car there and get the train in. But occasionally I want to leave the car at home and that's when I'd get the 39x.

jack presley

Any word on where the 38's bus stops will be outbound now? If they're going out to Baggot Street, there's no way they can leave from Hawkins Street.

thomasj

Probably baggot street, Stephens green, dawson street, Suffolk street, westmoreland street, o'connell street

A V A

i seen a 38 frive past the end of grafton street at the molly malone stand with people on it . . .whats the story with that ???

thomasj

Sounds like the wrong Route entered. Probably a 37x

A V A

i dont think it was that im pretty sure its said 38 on the board

TheChrisD

PDF appears to have been updated on Monday.

EDIT: Link might not be working, sorry am using plugin that auto-opens stuff like that in Google Docs.

TheChrisD

So, it seems the new timetables are possibly starting to leak out from the site? Starting with the "new" 70 route, but oddly only the specific timetable from Littlepace to town...
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/702-Revised-Times-/

Red Actor

TheChrisD wrote: »

So, it seems the new timetables are possibly starting to leak out from the site? Starting with the "new" 70 route, but oddly only the specific timetable from Littlepace to town...
http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/702-Revised-Times-/

The link looks for a password - can you copy the details and post them? Long time lurker

med1

changes are due apparently this coming sunday the 16th october

med1

spotted the new timetable today by accident
the 220 is down to 9 journeys each way mon to sat and 7 on a sunday
gone are the late last bus the last on the new timetable leaves ladyswell at 8pm mon to sat and 6.30 pm on a sunday
the new stages for the 38a show the stages as blanchardstown byepass then m50 roundabout

thomasj

That's interesting thanks med1!

Anything on the 17a/39/39a?

are we still on for sunday?

thomasj

Anyone notice that the network direct signs are starting to appear along the blanch corridor? Says all will kick off Monday!

gaz wac

i sent a mail off a while ago...got this reply.. Further to your query, at this point in time Dublin Bus is involved with Phase 1 of its Network Direct Programme. The public consultation period for Phase 1 (Lucan/North Kildare, Stillorgan Road/Dún Laoghaire/Bray and Blanchardstown) has concluded and the implementation has begun. The Stillorgan stage was implemented on September 19th, The Blanchardstown stage is the next to be implemented and then the Lucan/ North Kildare stage will be introduced shortly after that. The changes will be preceded by advertising in national and local media and on the Dublin Bus website www.dublinbus.ie . The Blanchardstown schedule will come into effect in the coming weeks. It is standard practice for Dublin Bus to implement new services and schedules on Sundays.

Personally, this will work great for me...cant wait for it to start !!:)

thomasj

For reference the new ballyfermot plans
http://www.dublinbus.ie/PageFiles/6554/ND-%20Ballyfermot.pdf

Mentioned on it is the new 76 which will run from the square to blanch centre via Liffey valley and clondalkin

Will operate on a frequency of 20 peak 30 off peak and also heard from a rep that it will also operate on Sundays probably hourly

jack presley

Nothing on the website yet but the new Blanchardstown routes must be coming on stream this weekend as a few routes are having their terminus moved to Hawkins Street this weekend

KC61

The new timetables are now online, effective from October 31.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Castleknock-Blanchardstown-Mulhuddart-and-Dunboyne/

Full revised timetables for Blanchardstown:

Route 17a

Route 37

Route 38

Route 38a

Route 39

Route 39a

Route 70

Route 220

Route 236

Route 238

Route 239

Route 270

10, 10a, 37x, 39x, 70a, 70b, 70x, 237 withdrawn. No change to 76a at this stage.

med1

interesting to note finglas roadshow for next thursday shows that despite new 220 timetable it will be withdrawn soon in anycase time for everyone to ring in and complain again

BostonB

I wonder how long it will take the 37 to do that route from Terminus to Baggot St

TheChrisD

KC61 wrote: »

The new timetables are now online, effective from October 31.

A few points I note:

• Why the separate 38 and 38a timetables? It makes it look like the level of service is drastically less...
• The 39 to Blanchardstown Village and Coolmine/Clonsilla is now abysmal, with all the focus on the 39a. Heck, why didn't they number it the other way around?
• 70 is barely any improvement, so the train is still more viable. All they've really done is eliminated the annoying two hour gaps late at night. And you're still ****ed for commuting if you miss the 8:30 in the morning, although not as much as before.
• Well it's about time that the 270 now ran all night midweek. Changes that were promised about a couple of years ago at this stage, but only really happening because the main 70 doesn't serve Blanch anymore.

jack presley

I'm a 38/38A user and I'm fairly happy with the timetables. Unfortunately in the past there have been plenty of ghost buses on this route, i.e. buses that are on the timetable but don't actually turn up so I'm going to wait until the new routes are in operation before i give Dublin Bus the praises.

Mimikyu

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Polar101

Not much left of the 236, I guess I can still get to work with the 238 so it's not looking too bad. Then again reality and timetables didn't meet before, so I'm not sure they will now. The estimated journey times in the new timetables seem to be very ambitious.

ArmaniJeanss

TheChrisD wrote: »

• Why the separate 38 and 38a timetables? It makes it look like the level of service is drastically less...

I'm sort of happy with this.
One of my bug bears with the 38/38a was that the controller in Hawkins Street saw them as interchangeable - for example up to last year he often sent out a 38A at 18.30 and a 38 at 18.40 despite the timetable being the other way around. I'm sure he had his own good reasons for doing this but it was a big inconvenience for those who knew and followed the timetable.
On at least two occasions I had shouting matches with him about it, and he claimed there was no difference between the routes they followed

I'd be more than happy if the 38A was renamed the 719 or something, just so it was clear to drivers/controllers/management that they are seperate routes with their own timetables.

KC61

TheChrisD wrote: »

A few points I note:

• Why the separate 38 and 38a timetables? It makes it look like the level of service is drastically less...
• The 39 to Blanchardstown Village and Coolmine/Clonsilla is now abysmal, with all the focus on the 39a. Heck, why didn't they number it the other way around?
• 70 is barely any improvement, so the train is still more viable. All they've really done is eliminated the annoying two hour gaps late at night. And you're still ****ed for commuting if you miss the 8:30 in the morning, although not as much as before.
• Well it's about time that the 270 now ran all night midweek. Changes that were promised about a couple of years ago at this stage, but only really happening because the main 70 doesn't serve Blanch anymore.

Good timetable practice is to have as few footnotes as possible. Separating the 38 and 38a means that now happens. It also makes it quite clear to Castleknock users which buses serve that area.

TheUsual

Bear in mind that the Department of Transport are doing all this not Dublin Bus.
Dublin Bus have no control over the bus timetables - only the position of bustops on the routes.

I can't believe the '10' buses are gone, they have been a part of Dublin for so long now. How will Northsiders get South, and how will UCD students travel ?

TheUsual

BostonB wrote: »

I wonder how long it will take the 37 to do that route from Terminus to Baggot St

You would be surprised. Once you hit O'Connell Street bridge it's easy going and not too much traffic.
And I used to drive buses along there - it moves quicker than you would think.

jeffk

Am I reading this right that the 238 doesn't go through corduff?, so in effect we haven't a bus connection to the centre any-more :eek:

Polar101

Some pretty dodgy information in the timetables.. for example the 220 will take 12 (or 15) minutes from Lady's Well to Blanch Hospital - would like to see that. Will it be ignoring traffic and bus stops to achieve this?

January

jeffk wrote: »

Am I reading this right that the 238 doesn't go through corduff?, so in effect we haven't a bus connection to the centre any-more :eek:

220 & 17a maybe?

jeffk

adrieanne__x wrote: »

220 & 17a maybe?

I think the 220 doesn't go to the centre but just working it out and your right I think the 17a can be used from across from castlecurragh.

Crazy how they can do this, ok its a 5-10 minute walk, but what about those that cant walk. The 238 was hardly full, but then what bus is.

TheChrisD

KC61 wrote: »

Good timetable practice is to have as few footnotes as possible. Separating the 38 and 38a means that now happens. It also makes it quite clear to Castleknock users which buses serve that area.

Yes, but what about the people who are on the portion of the routes that both buses serve? There's too little of a difference in the routes really to make separating the timetables necessary.

KC61

TheUsual wrote: »

Bear in mind that the Department of Transport are doing all this not Dublin Bus.
Dublin Bus have no control over the bus timetables - only the position of bustops on the routes.

I can't believe the '10' buses are gone, they have been a part of Dublin for so long now. How will Northsiders get South, and how will UCD students travel ?

Eh Dublin Bus do draw up the timetables.

The whole project is being managed within Dublin Bus.

KC61

TheChrisD wrote: »

Yes, but what about the people who are on the portion of the routes that both buses serve? There's too little of a difference in the routes really to make separating the timetables necessary.

As I say best practice is that you avoid footnotes and keep the timetable as simple as possible - it is not that hard to look at both timetables.

For goodness sake that's what people in Ballinteer do - 14 and 14a; Templeogue - 15 and 15b; Swords - 41 and 41c - it's not that hard.

January

jeffk wrote: »

I think the 220 doesn't go to the centre but just working it out and your right I think the 17a can be used from across from castlecurragh.

Crazy how they can do this, ok its a 5-10 minute walk, but what about those that cant walk. The 238 was hardly full, but then what bus is.

The 220 does indeed go to the centre, always has. It stops outside the Corduff Shops. But on the opposite side of the road.

med1

well the new timetables are due to start shortly the 220 is only temporary it is on the finglas roadshow this thursday as still been removed

January

Yep I read that and as I'll be shopping in Clearwater on Thursday I'll be asking them what the story with it is. I mentioned on the main thread in Commuting & Transport that they were being sneaky doing this, many residents in Finglas won't know the 220 is running through Finglas anymore, so won't get it and then DB can say that the reduced interest in it and reduced passenger numbers make it viable to stop the route.