FAS recriuting for British army in Limerick !!

Hugo Drax

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

this thread is f*ckin hilarious. I saw the letter and its about as genuine as a three bob note. No such thing as the "Royal Irish Army". Royal Irish Regiment, yes Rangers, yes, but the Royal Irish Army is bull****.

However, it has been funny to read the Celtic jersey morons and the Myers/Harrisite lackey morons.

I dont know who is worse.

Thanks, though, because Mondays are usually dull.

I think in terms of sheer capacity to self delude and re-write history, the hats should be well and truly off to the Myers-ites....

Hugo Drax

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

they shouldn't be our ally? Is it not the british we call when we need "real" defence? Such as the RAF?
Correct me if i'm wrong but is it not the RAF that keep our skies safe?

Of course, you're right.

If it wasn't for the English Air Force, Al Qadea and the Iranians would be flying regular bombing sorties over Mullingar wouldn't they?:D:D:D:D

Hugo Drax

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Illegal? Now that one is going to require an explanation.

It's self explanatory, unless you could care to illustrate the contrary?

It wasn't me!

Hugo Drax wrote: »

It's self explanatory, unless you could care to illustrate the contrary?

Illegal generally means it contravenes a law. Care to explain which law?

OS119

Hugo Drax wrote: »

Of course, you're right.

If it wasn't for the English Air Force, Al Qadea and the Iranians would be flying regular bombing sorties over Mullingar wouldn't they?:D:D:D:D

its a pity you don't read newspapers.

on the 11th, 12, and 13th of september 2001 the Irish Government didn't ask the Irish Air Corps for assistance in controlling its airspace, it asked the British Government - who happily acceded to that request.

there was also an EU summit held in Dublin - in the year or so afer 9/11 from what i recall - that required (as all EU summits do) certain security precautions regarding airspace. again the Irish Government asked the UK for asssistance, and again RAF Tornado F3's and E-3D AWACS aircraft graced Irish skies.

and more recently - late last year from recollection - a US civilian airliner flying from Texas to London declared a security problem due to a mad passenger. despite it flying through Irish airspace long before it got to UK airspace, again it was RAF Typhoon fighters that escorted the aircraft all the way over Irish territory to the UK.

all this is fairly irrelevent to the point that a moron in a jobcentre didn't have any understanding of the law, was possibly so stupid that they didn't know whether the original advert related to the Irish Army, the Royal Irish Regiment, or to the wider British Army - and probably doesn't know the difference - and that emmigration now appears to be official social and economic policy of the Irish Government.

ps. please could you stop using 'English' for everything British - England has not existed as a state for the best part of 400 years, not only is casually disrespectful, it makes you look almost as bright as the fcukwit in the jobcentre.

sean corcoran

minidazzler wrote: »

Read the constitution please. Specifically the section mentioning what constitutes treason.

Taliban is technically a political movement not an army. Insurgency movements are different to armies.

the taliban are in their own, freedom FIGHTERS. not a political movement. they fight to defend their country, just as we did the brits.

dr gonzo

sean corcoran wrote: »

the taliban are in their own, freedom FIGHTERS. not a political movement. they fight to defend their country, just as we did the brits.

Its interesting that you have us throwing in with the Taliban considering that any Irish person who expresses a fondness for Britain or an interest in joining their military is labeled a traitor by a worrying large amount of people here.

Why dont you just quit beating around the bush and propose the implementation of Sharia Law for any people who are caught not singing the fields of Athenry at Irish soccer matches.

Fratton Fred

sean corcoran wrote: »

the taliban are in their own, freedom FIGHTERS. not a political movement. they fight to defend their country, just as we did the brits.

would that be the same Taliban that came to power by force and removed 90% of the freedpm of the people of Afghanistan?

with the exceptions of course of women, who lost 100% of their freedom. The same taliban that are targeting girls schools in Afghanistan today because they are opposed to female education?

I'll have the nasty oppressive British regime thanks.

SlabMurphy

OS119 wrote: »

its a pity you don't read newspapers.

on the 11th, 12, and 13th of september 2001 the Irish Government didn't ask the Irish Air Corps for assistance in controlling its airspace, it asked the British Government - who happily acceded to that request.

there was also an EU summit held in Dublin - in the year or so afer 9/11 from what i recall - that required (as all EU summits do) certain security precautions regarding airspace. again the Irish Government asked the UK for asssistance, and again RAF Tornado F3's and E-3D AWACS aircraft graced Irish skies.

and more recently - late last year from recollection - a US civilian airliner flying from Texas to London declared a security problem due to a mad passenger. despite it flying through Irish airspace long before it got to UK airspace, again it was RAF Typhoon fighters that escorted the aircraft all the way over Irish territory to the UK.

I'm not being a doubting Thomas and I've already asked about this on the thread, but is there any actual proof to this or is it hearsay from the military forum ?

Regadless, if they did the above, well, that's Fianna Fail the Republican party for you

Jim236

OS119 wrote: »

its a pity you don't read newspapers.

on the 11th, 12, and 13th of september 2001 the Irish Government didn't ask the Irish Air Corps for assistance in controlling its airspace, it asked the British Government - who happily acceded to that request.

there was also an EU summit held in Dublin - in the year or so afer 9/11 from what i recall - that required (as all EU summits do) certain security precautions regarding airspace. again the Irish Government asked the UK for asssistance, and again RAF Tornado F3's and E-3D AWACS aircraft graced Irish skies.

and more recently - late last year from recollection - a US civilian airliner flying from Texas to London declared a security problem due to a mad passenger. despite it flying through Irish airspace long before it got to UK airspace, again it was RAF Typhoon fighters that escorted the aircraft all the way over Irish territory to the UK.

What plane do the Irish Air Corps have that can intercept a passenger jet at high altitudes? Their PC-9s can go up to 38,000ft, but at those altitudes they can't do anywhere near the speeds of most passenger jets. Thats why they call in the RAF...

I'm not defending that policy, personally I think the Irish Air Corps should buy 4 second-hand fighter jets for that purpose, and remove our reliance on Britain to defend us. Sweden and Switzerland are both neutral countries, yet they both have fighter jets for a defence capacity. The PC-9 that the IAC use are meant as a training aircraft before pilots start training in fighter jets. But the IAC are using them in a fighter capacity as a defence for the country. It makes no sense that our government spent tens of millions buying these PC-9 planes, only for them to have no role beyond pilot training. If anything thats more of a waste of money than buying fighter jets we don't need, its like buying a dining table without the chairs.

What we should've done is bought the PC-9's as training aircraft, and bought 4 second-hand F-16s or something similar. Then we wouldn't have to rely on the RAF to defend us.

And anyone that says they'd be a waste of money, whats a waste of money is a country of our size having 3 government planes, especially one that none of them like to fly in(i.e. the Learjet).

SlabMurphy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

would that be the same Taliban that came to power by force and removed 90% of the freedpm of the people of Afghanistan?

with the exceptions of course of women, who lost 100% of their freedom. The same taliban that are targeting girls schools in Afghanistan today because they are opposed to female education?

I'll have the nasty oppressive British regime thanks.

Well say what you will, but the Taliban did have some fair amount of supporters over there - as bizarre as it may appear to us.

But still, I'm sure many of the Afghan women and men would rather be alive than be free. And I'm sure targetting school girls will be no problem for the lads from Britain either as they have a very long history of it around the world.

Jim236

Btw regarding FÁS advertising for the British Army, the woman who authorised this should be sacked and arrested by the Gardaí for recruting for a foreign army, knowing full well its illegal, and using taxpayers money for it which is even worse!

I don't get why they've sunk so low to resort to advertising for a foreign army. Fair enough theres not a lot of job opportunities goin atm, but people could be going to college, doing FETAC courses, anything to get them a qualification for when things pick up again. People can bang on about skills training people get in the British Army, but as far as I'm concerned anyone who signs up for a foreign army, particularly the British Army is a traitor...

concussion

Jim236 wrote: »

But the IAC are using them in a fighter capacity as a defence for the country.

No, they're not; We don't use anything for airborne air defence.

Jim236

concussion wrote: »

No, they're not; We don't use anything for airborne air defence.

Yes they are, and thats the problem. They weren't meant for that role, and we're left with a situation now where at high altitudes they're useless and we have to rely on a foreign air force to defend us, but even at low altitudes they'd be useless too against fighter jets.

Fratton Fred

SlabMurphy wrote: »

And I'm sure targetting school girls will be no problem for the lads from Britain either as they have a very long history of it around the world.

LOL......SlabMurphy giving lecturing on targeting civilians

pablomakaveli

Jim236 wrote: »

People can bang on about skills training people get in the British Army, but as far as I'm concerned anyone who signs up for a foreign army, particularly the British Army is a traitor...

Tom Barry served in the British Army and i'm pretty sure he would'nt be classed as a traitor.

Jim236

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Tom Barry served in the British Army and i'm pretty sure he would'nt be classed as a traitor.

Well he only joined the struggle after coming back from the war, had it been the other way around then I would definitely see him as a traitor. Regardless I'm referring to now, and we're not fighting a war in Europe or a war against Britain, and like I said anyone who joins the British Army is a traitor to their country.

MagicSean

SlabMurphy wrote: »

Well say what you will, but the Taliban did have some fair amount of supporters over there - as bizarre as it may appear to us.

But still, I'm sure many of the Afghan women and men would rather be alive than be free. And I'm sure targetting school girls will be no problem for the lads from Britain either as they have a very long history of it around the world.

Much like your namesake does.

Jim236 wrote: »

Btw regarding FÁS advertising for the British Army, the woman who authorised this should be sacked and arrested by the Gardaí for recruting for a foreign army, knowing full well its illegal, and using taxpayers money for it which is even worse!

I don't get why they've sunk so low to resort to advertising for a foreign army. Fair enough theres not a lot of job opportunities goin atm, but people could be going to college, doing FETAC courses, anything to get them a qualification for when things pick up again. People can bang on about skills training people get in the British Army, but as far as I'm concerned anyone who signs up for a foreign army, particularly the British Army is a traitor...

Pitiful attitude. Especially seeing as how we're a neutral country. What possible harm could it do. I think its terrible that you would disgrace the names of so many good people who fought in World War 2 and gave their lives to defeat the Nazis.

owenc

RoverJames wrote: »

My Dad told me years back there was an add for the British army, "Join the services and see the World", it was altered to read "Join the Tans and see the other". His brother was in the RAF.

OMG that was in one of my text books!

Jim236

k_mac wrote: »

Pitiful attitude. Especially seeing as how we're a neutral country. What possible harm could it do. I think its terrible that you would disgrace the names of so many good people who fought in World War 2 and gave their lives to defeat the Nazis.

The fact that we claim to be a neutral country is reason in itself to be against any foreign army, particularly the British Army(an army involved in a war), recruiting here.

And I care more about the sacrifices of what the men and women gave here at home to achieve independence, than those who fought in Europe for a foreign monarch on behalf of a foreign nation.

MagicSean

Jim236 wrote: »

The fact that we claim to be a neutral country is reason in itself to be against any foreign army, particularly the British Army(an army involved in a war), recruiting here.

And I care more about the sacrifices of what the men and women gave here at home to achieve independence, than those who fought in Europe for a foreign monarch on behalf of a foreign nation.

What good would our independence have done us if the Nazis had taken over Britain?

Jim236

k_mac wrote: »

What good would our independence have done us if the Nazis had taken over Britain?

If...

And what good would it have done us if everyone signed up to the British Army to fight for a foreign country, in the misguided and naive hope that it would help bring about Home Rule for Ireland? If not for the sacfrifices of a few at home, we may well still be part of the UK today, like Scotland, still seeking independence...

MagicSean

Jim236 wrote: »

If...

And what good would it have done us if everyone signed up to the British Army to fight for a foreign country, in the misguided and naive hope that it would help bring about Home Rule for Ireland? If not for the sacfrifices of a few at home, we may well still be part of the UK today, like Scotland, still seeking independence...

I don't get where you're coming from. How did Irish people fighting in WW2 affect the Independence movement. Where we not already independent in 1944?

Nodin

k_mac wrote: »

Much like your namesake does.



Pitiful attitude. Especially seeing as how we're a neutral country. What possible harm could it do.

...because if we allow a foriegn government to recruit for its armed forces through our govermentakl agencies, we aren't being "neutral".

Jim236

k_mac wrote: »

I don't get where you're coming from. How did Irish people fighting in WW2 affect the Independence movement. Where we not already independent in 1944?

Sorry I misread your post, I thought you were referring to WWI.

But regardless, they were fighting in a foreign army for a foreign country. Without being disrespectful to those who died, the majority of those who fought with the British were from Anglo-Irish backgorunds who saw the British Army as their army.

I'm not gonna apologise for calling anyone a traitor that decides tomorrow to go off and join the British Army, regardless of who fought in past WW's.

mike65

Hugo Drax appears to have gone to ground, maybe Britains finest got him.

Andy-Pandy

Anyone that wants to join any army needs to get there head checked, it doesnt matter what army Irish, British, Finish. I come from a army background my dad was a an Irish man serving as a officer in the british Army, lieutenant colonel in the Paras. I wouldnt think of him as a traitor, just a **** Dad and a total c(u)nt.

RustyBeanTin

so FAS is now recriuting for the british , the same c**ts who have oppressed this country for hundreds of years.
what is the place coming to?

sean corcoran

Fratton Fred wrote: »

would that be the same Taliban that came to power by force and removed 90% of the freedpm of the people of Afghanistan?

with the exceptions of course of women, who lost 100% of their freedom. The same taliban that are targeting girls schools in Afghanistan today because they are opposed to female education?

I'll have the nasty oppressive British regime thanks.

im not talking about that, that is very wrong. but the taliban are at the moment fighting to keep a foreign force out of their country

Manic Moran

but the taliban are at the moment fighting to keep a foreign force out of their country

No, they're fighting to regain their control of the country. As long as it's not them, they'll fight whoever's in Kabul, be they foreigners or Afghans.

NTM

Zebra3

So where do I sign up to join these lovely chaps.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/27/baha-mousa-inquiry-soldiers

dave 27

hmm, as a Limerick man i seriously cant see people..especially from moyross move to the british army..first thing you see coming into Limerick on the train is C-IRA! :rolleyes:

concussion

dave 27 wrote: »

hmm, as a Limerick man i seriously cant see people..especially from moyross move to the british army..first thing you see coming into Limerick on the train is C-IRA! :rolleyes:

Yes, that graffiti obviously sums up the feelings of the entire city. :rolleyes:


Jim - the PC-9's were not bought for air defence and are not kept on standby for that purpose. They practice the interception etc but they would probably be out-performed by a WW2 Messerschmit and would come off worse if used in that role for anything modern.

pablomakaveli

Jim236 wrote: »

Well he only joined the struggle after coming back from the war, had it been the other way around then I would definitely see him as a traitor. Regardless I'm referring to now, and we're not fighting a war in Europe or a war against Britain, and like I said anyone who joins the British Army is a traitor to their country.

You're contradicting yourself here. If we're not fighting against Britain then an Irishman who joins the british army can't be a traitor.

That simple minded view belongs in the past.

Jim236

pablomakaveli wrote: »

You're contradicting yourself here. If we're not fighting against Britain then an Irishman who joins the british army can't be a traitor.

That simple minded view belongs in the past.

While we're not fighting a war with them, they still occupy part of this island. It wouldn't matter if there was a United Ireland tomorrow anyway, I'd still regard anyone joining the British Army then as a traitor.

@concussion, the point I'm trying to make is that the PC-9 is a trainer aircraft, but we have no fighter jets to train for, so why bother buying the PC-9s in the first place? They were a waste of money because they are effectively useless in any role other than training.

galwayrush

Limerick City needs the British Army to help annex parts of County Limerick and Co Clare.:D

concussion

Jim236 wrote: »

@concussion, the point I'm trying to make is that the PC-9 is a trainer aircraft, but we have no fighter jets to train for, so why bother buying the PC-9s in the first place? They were a waste of money because they are effectively useless in any role other than training.

The Fouga's which we used to operate had very similar performance and weapons fits as the PC-9(they were a bit faster though) and they were training aircraft, not fighters, and weren't used for air-defence. This problem isn't with the Pilatus, it's with the government not giving a damn about defence for decades. The last fighter planes we had were probably the Seafires, as even the Vampires were training versions.

animaal

Jeez, the amount of mindless outrage here is something else.

If you want to hold a grudge, what about all those Scandinavians who came over here in the ninth century - all that pillaging and taking our wimmen.

And before that, those bloody Celts. They wiped out our culture and replaced it with their own!

Let's be honest, the one thing the Vikings and the British have in common is that nobody posting to this thread was alive when they ruled Ireland. Holding actions from 100 years ago against today's British people who weren't born then is no different from holding the Viking invasions against today's Norwegians.

A country is made up of the people that inhabit it, and it's army acts in *their* name - not in the names of people who lived 800 years ago.

minidazzler

Jim236 wrote: »

While we're not fighting a war with them, they still occupy part of this island. It wouldn't matter if there was a United Ireland tomorrow anyway, I'd still regard anyone joining the British Army then as a traitor.

@concussion, the point I'm trying to make is that the PC-9 is a trainer aircraft, but we have no fighter jets to train for, so why bother buying the PC-9s in the first place? They were a waste of money because they are effectively useless in any role other than training.

Do you have any regard for the constitution? A traitor is someone who incites rebellion more or less.

And with the signing of the GFA we relinquished territorial claim over the 6 counties.

Politics and diplomacy has prevailed, and sectarian attacks are quite low compared to the past days. (Violence may not be, but all out attacks seem to be).

I personally have no problem with foreign forces accepting Irish recruits, and believe that the information should be available by mail order. I wouldn't like to see BA stands at Jobs fairs though.

I would have gone myself if it wasn't for these damn eyes!

It seems the sending of this letter was an innocent blunder. The Royal Irish Army doesn't exist and could easily be a mistake in sending the letter. Pure ignorance on the part of the woman. She didn't know what she was doing IMO, and while ignorance technically doesn't excuse crime, this is minor in any sense.

That said, has she even broken a law really? The Royal Irish Army does not exist, so to say she was recruiting for a foreign force is wrong, since that is the name of no foreign force.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Tarzan007 wrote: »

Martina McInerney, would want maybe a brother or a boyfriend to head off as cannon fodder to the other side of the world

Well speaking as one with a military background, in fact my father, grandfather and great-grandfather were soldiers (my great grandfather fought with the Royal Dublin Fusillers) the British Army is a career path I've suggested to my son.

I've also sought advice on him joining the US military.

I'd love him to serve in either, in fact I'd be filled with pride.

Jim236

minidazzler wrote: »

I personally have no problem with foreign forces accepting Irish recruits

Which you've made pretty clear on the military forum...

The fact is though it is illegal for any foreign army to recruit in Ireland, and rightly so.

dave 27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js0FR8GkBEo

SlabMurphy

animaal wrote: »

Jeez, the amount of mindless outrage here is something else.

If you want to hold a grudge, what about all those Scandinavians who came over here in the ninth century - all that pillaging and taking our wimmen.

And before that, those bloody Celts. They wiped out our culture and replaced it with their own!

Let's be honest, the one thing the Vikings and the British have in common is that nobody posting to this thread was alive when they ruled Ireland. Holding actions from 100 years ago against today's British people who weren't born then is no different from holding the Viking invasions against today's Norwegians.

A country is made up of the people that inhabit it, and it's army acts in *their* name - not in the names of people who lived 800 years ago.

:rolleyes: Well the Scandinavians haven't been in Ireland for a long time though the British are still occupying the north east of the country. Obviously you have never seen an atlas or a map. You don't have to go back 100 years for the last time the British were murdering people in Ireland. They did plenty of it in and out of unifrom during the troubles and will do so again in a blink if they deem it expedient to do so. :rolleyes:

MagicSean

SlabMurphy wrote: »

:rolleyes: Well the Scandinavians haven't been in Ireland for a long time though the British are still occupying the north east of the country. Obviously you have never seen an atlas or a map. You don't have to go back 100 years for the last time the British were murdering people in Ireland. They did plenty of it in and out of unifrom during the troubles and will do so again in a blink if they deem it expedient to do so. :rolleyes:

Yes they are. Many Irish people are descended from viking bloodlines.

Liam Byrne

dave 27 wrote: »

hmm, as a Limerick man i seriously cant see people..especially from moyross move to the british army..first thing you see coming into Limerick on the train is C-IRA! :rolleyes:

I doubt the idiotic pricks who (a) support terrorists and (b) deface public property with graffiti would be accepted anyway :rolleyes:

who the fug

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I doubt the idiotic pricks who (a) support terrorists and (b) deface public property with graffiti would be accepted anyway :rolleyes:

Have you ever met the average British squaddie, they are not a good advert

prinz

who the fug wrote: »

Have you ever met the average British squaddie, they are not a good advert

I've met many an British squaddie and only came across one who was a total scumbag prat.

Adamisconfused

prinz wrote: »

I've met many an British squaddie and only came across one who was a total scumbag prat.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/31/military.prisonsandprobation

"Compiled by probation officers, the report estimates that at least 8,500 former soldiers are in custody - 9 per cent of the UK prison population and nearly double the estimate of a previous study by the Home Office in 2004, which put the figure at 5 per cent."
A significant reason for their criminality is due to the disgraceful way their country has all but neglected the mental health of their returning soldiers. However, tell that to the victims of crime.

who the fug

prinz wrote: »

I've met many an British squaddie and only came across one who was a total scumbag prat.

Sorry give me the the average US squaddie any day, much more polite and are more ambitious in life

prinz

who the fug wrote: »

Sorry give me the the average US squaddie any day, much more polite and are more ambitious in life

That I'd agree with. Had a few experiences with them going through Shannon during the last couple of years. Sound lads, thouroughly depressing looking at them line up in the shop some of them looking about 16 years old.

As for the Brits, I lived for a while near a BA base in Germany and like I said only came across one chavtastic scouser. The rest were alright.