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Private scool and university

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  • 27-04-2010 3:32pm
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    D.R cowboy
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    Ok what do people think of this, you go to private school for 6 years and you don't get into university so you have to go to an IT does this mean you have failed

    Isn't it the exception when sending your child to a private school that they will go to a university, if not why send them there in the first place:confused:

    what are peoples opinion and is there any university snobs out there


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    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,229 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Many people think if they pay more for something it is 'better'.
    This isn't true of course, but sure if they want to spend their money on it, let them.

    A child will go to university if they have the ability to get the required marks and come from a home where education is valued and encouraged and where they feel supported by the people taking care of them. They could go to school in a hedge and still go to university. It's nothing to do with private schools. Most of the people in university did not go to fee-paying private schools. Most went to 'voluntary secondary' schools.


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    degausserxo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭degausserxo


    D.R cowboy wrote: »
    Ok what do people think of this, you go to private school for 6 years and you don't get into university so you have to go to an IT does this mean you have failed

    Isn't it the exception when sending your child to a private school that they will go to a university, if not why send them there in the first place:confused:

    what are peoples opinion and is there any university snobs out there

    Just because you pay a ridiculous amount of money to go to a private school doesn't guarantee that you'll get into a university. The onus is on you to do the work, not the money. Once you work your hardest and do the best you can, you're not a failure. For some people in my year (I didn't go to a well-off school at all) 200 points was a success because they worked as hard as they could for it, for others, 500-odd points was a disappointment because they didn't work as hard as they could have, myself included in that bracket. So apply that to a private school student. Once you worked your hardest, is it really a failure? A friend of mine is doing a level 8 European Studies course in IT Tallaght, which is around 185 points, I think. The exact same course in Trinity is 520 points. Which would you rather have, that degree from Trinity with barely a pass in it, or a first from ITT? It's all about the work you put in yourself.


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    D.R cowboy
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    degausserxo wrote: »
    Just because you pay a ridiculous amount of money to go to a private school doesn't guarantee that you'll get into a university. The onus is on you to do the work, not the money. Once you work your hardest and do the best you can, you're not a failure. For some people in my year (I didn't go to a well-off school at all) 200 points was a success because they worked as hard as they could for it, for others, 500-odd points was a disappointment because they didn't work as hard as they could have, myself included in that bracket. So apply that to a private school student. Once you worked your hardest, is it really a failure? A friend of mine is doing a level 8 European Studies course in IT Tallaght, which is around 185 points, I think. The exact same course in Trinity is 520 points. Which would you rather have, that degree from Trinity with barely a pass in it, or a first from ITT? It's all about the work you put in yourself.

    No one will hire you if you went to ITT lets be fair about it , compared to trinity college

    You could do jam making in trinity and you would still get a job anywhere


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    randylonghorn
    Registered Users Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    While Trinity has a "rep." internationally, more so than the other universities let alone the Institutes of Technology (hell, it's hardly a surprise, it's had over 500 years to establish one!), that is only one small factor in the equation.

    In fact, in my experience (of sitting on interview boards among other things) the course you did and your results are only one early "tick box" to be checked against the minimum requirements ... how the candidate presents at interview, their work experience, their general maturity and attitude ... all these are more important.

    While this statement:
    D.R cowboy wrote: »
    You could do jam making in trinity and you would still get a job anywhere
    might have been true a hundred years ago, it's a load of BS these days and rightly so.

    D.R cowboy wrote: »
    Ok what do people think of this, you go to private school for 6 years and you don't get into university so you have to go to an IT does this mean you have failed
    No.
    D.R cowboy wrote: »
    Isn't it the exception when sending your child to a private school that they will go to a university, if not why send them there in the first place:confused:
    Do you mean expectation, by any chance?

    People send their kids to private schools for many reasons ... snobbishness usually has a part to play, but not always.
    D.R cowboy wrote: »
    ... is there any university snobs out there
    There are.

    Does that include you?




    I am hoping the elusive whiff of troll I am detecting is my over-sensitive olfactory glands, yes?

    It would be inadvisable to convince me otherwise to-day.

    :)


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    D.R cowboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭D.R cowboy


    No trolling here just want peoples opinion on this matter as it seems to crop up a lot these day in my community

    Thanks for your response at least I learned where the sense of smell comes from , you know you neurology very well, any chance you are a Private School Boy?


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    degausserxo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭degausserxo


    D.R cowboy wrote: »
    is there any university snobs out there
    D.R cowboy wrote: »
    No one will hire you if you went to ITT lets be fair about it , compared to trinity college

    Eh, right.
    You could do jam making in trinity and you would still get a job anywhere

    Try telling that to three of my ex-Trinity jobless friends, and my sister, an ITT graduate, who's raking it in.


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    jumpguy
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    Blatant troll banned at last. :rolleyes:

    I wonder if he goes to Trinity...


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    spurious
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    jumpguy wrote: »

    I wonder if he goes to Trinity...

    I VERY much doubt it.


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    Piste
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    randylonghorn wrote: »
    People send their kids to private schools for many reasons ... snobbishness usually has a part to play, but not always.


    I don't think that's very fair. There are myriad of other reasons to send your kids to private schools; they might be the only schools in the area, they could have better resources, have a better ethos, produce the type of student you want your child to be like. I'd say snobbery is far down the list of reasons to send your child to a private school.


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    implausible
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    spurious wrote: »
    I VERY much doubt it.

    With his appalling grammar, I doubt he'd get through the gates:D


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    randylonghorn
    Registered Users Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    D.R cowboy wrote: »
    Thanks for your response at least I learned where the sense of smell comes from, you know you neurology very well, any chance you are a Private School Boy?
    No, I'm not. Not that it matters a damn.

    And that remark would have been your swansong around here, were it not that others got to you first!!
    Piste wrote: »
    I don't think that's very fair. There are myriad of other reasons to send your kids to private schools; they might be the only schools in the area, they could have better resources, have a better ethos ...
    All fair enough, and covered under the "many reasons" I mentioned ...
    Piste wrote: »
    ... produce the type of student you want your child to be like.
    Which in itself implies the belief that certain schools are more likely to produce a superior type of person deus ex machina ... which is more or less what I'm talking about.

    It's not necessarily the class / money type of snobbery, it's even understandable at times, but it is a type of snobbery all the same.


    EDIT: Folks, let's not take potshots at someone who is no longer around / has no right of reply, eh? :)


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    #13
    Seloth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭Seloth


    Theres nothing wrong with IT's,most of them give Honou degrees equivlents to Uni's,with many of their engineering programmes actualy being better than Universitys.

    I'm in 6th year of a grinds school which also does 1st,2nd and 3rd((No 4th)).While most oly do either 6th year or 5th and 6th ((Like myself)) two friends of mine that have been there since there were in first are going to IT to do graphic design courses and such which need portfolio's.

    Its your descision,your parents only put you in private as they wished for you to get a good second level education :)


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