Cork/Galway Hurling League Final

woodland guy

It was a great piece of skill by Hayes alright. But look at where he gets the ball. on the 21 by the stand and look at where he its it, 10 yards out from goal straight in front of it. The defending by cork there was very poor. He should have been kept out there by the stand in the 1st place by Sean óg

grenache

Deise Tom wrote: »

Heard on the way home last night from a club game that there was just over 14,000 in Thurles. I wonder if the game was played at a sensible time would there have been many more there.

7pm was a sensible time when you take into account the starting times of the Heineken Cup semi final plus the Chelsea and United games earlier in the day. Had they fixed the league final for 4pm i dont think you would have had 14,000 there. In past years GAA fixtures would have clashed with other major sporting events - i seem to remember a Derry-Donegal Ulster Championship match being watched by two men and a dog in 2002 while Ireland were playing Spain in the World Cup. Lately though the GAA has become more pragmatic when deciding starting times of matches, taking other sporting codes into account, the association finally realising that the world doesn't revolve around it.

Deise Tom

grenache wrote: »

7pm was a sensible time when you take into account the starting times of the Heineken Cup semi final plus the Chelsea and United games earlier in the day. Had they fixed the league final for 4pm i dont think you would have had 14,000 there. In past years GAA fixtures would have clashed with other major sporting events - i seem to remember a Derry-Donegal Ulster Championship match being watched by two men and a dog in 2002 while Ireland were playing Spain in the World Cup. Lately though the GAA has become more pragmatic when deciding starting times of matches, taking other sporting codes into account, the association finally realising that the world doesn't revolve around it.

The association's founders would be turnin in their graves if they thought those over the association right now were fixing games to accomodate other games on tv. Even if it meant taking a financial hit, the G.A.A. should have gone against them. Had they lowered the admission price and got the game publicity in the last week or two, i firmly believe that anyone that wanted to be at the game would be there regardless of whatb was on th TV. The 2002 world cup did not stop those that wanted to see Waterford win a munster final for the first time since 1963 when the two events went ahead in the same afternoon.

Daysha

Deise Tom wrote: »

The association's founders would be turnin in their graves if they thought those over the association right now were fixing games to accomodate other games on tv. Even if it meant taking a financial hit, the G.A.A. should have gone against them. Had they lowered the admission price and got the game publicity in the last week or two, i firmly believe that anyone that wanted to be at the game would be there regardless of whatb was on th TV. The 2002 world cup did not stop those that wanted to see Waterford win a munster final for the first time since 1963 when the two events went ahead in the same afternoon.

Well actually that World Cup final in 2002 started in the morning because of the time difference, while the Waterford/Tipp final was at 3 or 4 o'clock. And the World Cup that day didn't involve Ireland, Munster, Leinster or any other team in the country so you can't really make the same comparison.

Also, "even if it meant taking a financial hit"? So you'd be happy for the association to lose money just because you'd prefer a GAA that completely ignores other sports and fend for itself? Sorry Tom but it's the 21st century now, we should be embracing relationships with other sports, not ditch them.

grenache

Deise Tom wrote: »

The association's founders would be turnin in their graves if they thought those over the association right now were fixing games to accomodate other games on tv. Even if it meant taking a financial hit, the G.A.A. should have gone against them. Had they lowered the admission price and got the game publicity in the last week or two, i firmly believe that anyone that wanted to be at the game would be there regardless of whatb was on th TV. The 2002 world cup did not stop those that wanted to see Waterford win a munster final for the first time since 1963 when the two events went ahead in the same afternoon.

it is about money now though, if the game had been fixed for 3, many people would have elected to stay at home and watch the Biarritz - Munster game. That Munster final you refer to in 2002 threw in at 3.30pm. The world cup final had an 8pm kick off. So the two did not go head to head.

*On a slightly related topic, my cousin's husband who is from Dungarvan was actually at the Brazil - Germany 2002 WC final in Yokohama. He won a free trip to the semi final and final from his employers. He had been to every Waterford championship match since 1981 and was absolutely gutted that he missed Waterford's biggest day in 40 years.

Orizio

People are ignoring the fact that tv stations wouldn't want games clashing. The GAA hardly had a choice imo.

Deise Tom

grenache wrote: »

it is about money now though, if the game had been fixed for 3, many people would have elected to stay at home and watch the Biarritz - Munster game. That Munster final you refer to in 2002 threw in at 3.30pm. The world cup final had an 8pm kick off. So the two did not go head to head.

*On a slightly related topic, my cousin's husband who is from Dungarvan was actually at the Brazil - Germany 2002 WC final in Yokohama. He won a free trip to the semi final and final from his employers. He had been to every Waterford championship match since 1981 and was absolutely gutted that he missed Waterford's biggest day in 40 years.

I would say that the 8pm you refer to was local time, as off the top of my head the World Cup Final was shown around noon and the hurling then started around half two or there abouts. I think there was another G.A.A. game on after it. I stand to be corrected on this however.

teednab-el

Back on topic.

Cork were brutal last sunday night. They are no where good enough to challenge for Liam Mc Carthy this year. Galway outplayed them and out skilled them. No complaints. We are simply not good enough.

Aiske was a disgrace, I still can't understand how he makes the senior team. Ive seen better players that havent made it over the years. Very poor stick work by him. He is so overrated IMO. I'm sure Tipp and KK would love him to start as he posses such little threat to defenses.

Sean Og was bad but the difference between him and Aiske is that Sean Og has prooven to us over the years that he is a fine hurler and rarely beaten. He was destroyed the last day as he admitted himself.'

For 2010, I believe its between KK, Galway,Tipp,maybe Waterford and then Cork. I honestly believe we will be waiting at least a decade before we will deliver Liam McCarthy again.

SeaFields

teednab-el wrote: »

Aiske was a disgrace, I still can't understand how he makes the senior team. Ive seen better players that havent made it over the years. Very poor stick work by him. He is so overrated IMO.

Have to agree. He was brutal. He might be an athlete in terms of physicality and fitness but he is not a top hurler. Cussan out for tipp game tho so we might see Aisike starting again then.

All round poor. Simple skills went amiss. Out gunned, out played.

Deise Tom

teednab-el wrote: »

Back on topic.

Cork are brutal last sunday night. They are no where good enough to challenge for Liam Mc Carthy this year. Galway outplayed them and out skilled them. No complaints. We are simply not good enough.

Aiske was a disgrace, I still can't understand how he makes the senior team. Ive seen better players that havent made it over the years. Very poor stick work by him. He is so overrated IMO. I'm sure Tipp and KK would love him to start as he posses such little threat to defenses.

Sean Og was bad but the difference between him and Aiske is that Sean Og has prooven to us over the years that he is a fine hurler and rarely beaten. He was destroyed the last day as he admitted himself.'

For 2010, I believe its between KK, Galway,Tipp,maybe Waterford and then Cork. I honestly believe we will be waiting at least a decade before we will deliver Liam McCarthy again.

Do you know that a reserve Cork team almost beat Waterford 24 hours after the league game. The only player to play a part in both games was the Rock's brother.

The respective Waterford and Cork teams were

WATERFORD: A Power; N Connors, D Prendergast, J Maher; T Browne, M Walsh, K McGrath; S Fives, E McGrath; S Prendergast, M Shanahan, T Connors; S Casey, S Molumphy, T Ryan. Subs: M O’Brien for N Connors; K Moran for Shanahan; J Murray for Browne.

CORK: M Coleman; C O’Sullivan, D Cunningham, S Murphy; K Hartnett, A Ryan, R Ryan; G Calnan, L Desmond; C McCarthy, M O’Sullivan, T Óg Murphy; P O’Sullivan, F O’Leary, O’Farrell. Subs: T Murray for O’Farrell; T Murphy for P O’Sullivan; E Keane for Cunningham; S White for R Ryan; A Mannix for McCarthy; M McCarthy for M O’Sullivan; B Jonson for Callinan; D Crowley for T Óg Murphy; D McCarthy for Coleman.

Many of the Waterford team could or will play against Clare, but how many of the Cork players will play against Tipp. If they come through, some of them might get some game time against Limerick however.

I would not be so quick to rule out Cork from winning silverware this year.

The final score of the game played in Ballyduff was Waterford 3-16 Cork 4-12.

Orizio

It was a nothing practice game Tom, I wouldn't pay much notice.

BTW the majority of that Cork team have played league hurling and at least half championship.

The_Kew_Tour

If there was a transfer market in hurling Joe Canning be worth 150 million he is that good.

sparkydee

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As for Tipp, i still don't see the hype. For what exactly?... winning last years league?... we ran KK closer last year.
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Probably for winning munster two years in a row and their performance in last year's all Ireland.
But I was really impressed with Galway on Sunday. If they get to the Leinster final and manage to beat Kilkenny it would make the championship very interesting indeed.