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Dole Drug Test?

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    #92
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Everyone knows that Social Welfare cards are given to recipients for two reasons;

    1. Swiping at the post office to collect their drug money
    2. Chopping up the coke into nice little white lines

    :D


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    #93
    TheCelticWizard
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭TheCelticWizard


    Irishcrx wrote: »
    But that might put all the drug dealers out of business? The government wouldn't let that happen...Too good an idea burn it quick before people back it!!

    Put The drug dealers out of business by denying the dole to anybody who takes drugs? What a great idea, I'm quite sure none of them will start selling drugs themselves in order to survive. It's not like that and stealing are the only two options left once they've all been brought to (snigger) Justice.


    There's always going to be people with limited knowledge and strong opions based on their limited knowledge to start threads like this. I am lucky enough to have a good job, but I do have several friends that are on the dole, they're not reveling in their freedom and taking shopping trips to New York(Seriously?), they are p***** off and worried as hell about how they're going to get back on their feet. A few of them smoke the odd spliff same as they did when they were working and that's 100% fine with me. In fact I cant see anybody who know's anything about "recreational drugs" having a problem with it, this is like a joining up of two bigotries, drugs bigotry and dole bigotry....horrible combination.


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    #94
    Herbal Deity
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    Annabella Little Sometimes wrote: »
    If someone is receiving Job Seekers Allowance, are they really in any state to seek employment if they're using recreational drugs?..
    *bangs head off table*

    Someone has a can or two of beer, or a glass of wine, or a spliff at night to relax, or a pill or two every few weekends, and that means they're not in any state to be seeking employment? Gimme a break.


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    #95
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    PatsyStone wrote: »
    How would it work? Dole offices are packed to the rafters every signing on day, would it be that everyone goes in with their Social Welfare Card and a little bottle? Where are they stored in the offices? When are they collected? How do the hospital labs around the country who already have a backlog deal with the large volume of samples. Personally I wouldn't be for it but I wonder were it implemented how it would work.
    How do private companies do it?


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    #96
    starbelgrade
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    SugarHigh wrote: »
    How do private companies do it?

    Urine samples.


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    #97
    SugarHigh
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    I don't think a complete cut off from the dole would be suitable but a deduction would be justified on the basis that they clearly have enough to live on and are wasting their excess cash on drugs.


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    #98
    starbelgrade
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    Social Welfare Officer ; "Sir, in order for you to continue to recieve benefits, you will have to undergo a mandatory drugs test."

    Social Welfare Recipient; "You're taking the p*ss?!?!!"

    Social Welfare Officer ; "Ehm, yes."


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    #99
    DarkJager
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭DarkJager


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    Like I said I don't care about drug use I just said you should not be able to afford drugs while on the dole.

    The dole should be the bare minimum required to survive on.

    Only a person who isn't trying to survive on the dole could make such a stupid statement. If thats the case, you shouldn't be allowed to buy cosmetics, entertainment of any form, or anything that might put a smile on your face because you should only have the bare minimum to survive on.

    I'd like to see you try it.


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    #100
    fartmaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭fartmaster


    In all honesty this is a great idea, if your not on drugs then you have nothing to fear, if you are on drugs then, well, your breaking the law and using tax payers money to fund your habit. theres no doubt there are many spongers on the dole as well as many real life hard recession cases but I think drug testing people would soon see the dole cues go down as well as the criminal rate and drug using rate.


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    #101
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    DarkJager wrote: »
    Only a person who isn't trying to survive on the dole could make such a stupid statement. If thats the case, you shouldn't be allowed to buy cosmetics, entertainment of any form, or anything that might put a smile on your face because you should only have the bare minimum to survive on.

    I'd like to see you try it.
    I'm currently in college with no grant and no dole. I have no disposable income and don't expect to have any because I'm not currently working.

    I get the bare minimum off my parents to survive on which will be paid back to them after college. I don't drink or smoke. No you shouldn't be able to afford cosmetics because their a completely frivolous expense that is considered a luxury.


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    #102
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    fartmaster wrote: »
    I think drug testing people would soon see the dole cues go down as well as the criminal rate and drug using rate.
    Wow. How's the weather in Fantasyland?


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    #103
    fartmaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭fartmaster


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Wow. How's the weather in Fantasyland?

    It couldnt do any harm, id rather see a junky jailed and see his money used from the dole to give him treatment while in jail instead of him been loose on the streets spending taxpayers money on drugs wouldnt you?


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    #104
    fizzynicenice
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    That is an absolutly retarded idea.


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    #105
    DarkJager
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    fartmaster wrote: »
    In all honesty this is a great idea, if your not on drugs then you have nothing to fear, if you are on drugs then, well, your breaking the law and using tax payers money to fund your habit. theres no doubt there are many spongers on the dole as well as many real life hard recession cases but I think drug testing people would soon see the dole cues go down as well as the criminal rate and drug using rate.

    If I am or am not using drugs is nobodies business. I am recieving welfare entitlements I have worked for, and what I do with that money is my own choice. Nobody elses.
    SugarHigh wrote: »
    I'm currently in college with no grant and no dole. I have no disposable income and don't expect to have any because I'm not currently working.

    I get the bare minimum off my parents to survive on which will be paid back to them after college. I don't drink or smoke. No you shouldn't be able to afford cosmetics because their a completely frivolous expense that is considered a luxury.

    Do you have bills you have to pay? A car finance maybe? Insurance? Loans? If you don't, then you really don't know what the dole is like. It isn't a walk in the park, and to be honest its a depressing enough existence without depriving of yourself of some luxuries to keep a smile on your face. You'll understand it better when you start working.


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    #106
    fartmaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭fartmaster


    DarkJager wrote: »
    If I am or am not using drugs is nobodies business. I am recieving welfare entitlements I have worked for, and what I do with that money is my own choice. Nobody elses.



    Do you have bills you have to pay? A car finance maybe? Insurance? Loans? If you don't, then you really don't know what the dole is like. It isn't a walk in the park, and to be honest its a depressing enough existence without depriving of yourself of some luxuries to keep a smile on your face. You'll understand it better when you start working.


    In all honesty your retarded if you are using drugs and if you using MY MONEY then it is my business and you can fook off and get a job!! Spend the money on whats important and not on the demons in your little head.


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    #107
    DarkJager
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    fartmaster wrote: »
    In all honesty your retarded if you are using drugs and if you using MY MONEY then it is my business and you can fook off and get a job!! Spend the money on whats important and not on the demons in your little head.

    No, you can **** off and take your high horse with you. I worked in a job, I paid taxes and its MY money I'm now claiming, not yours.


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    #108
    whadabouchasir
    Registered Users Posts: 942 ✭✭✭whadabouchasir


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    I get the bare minimum off my parents to survive on which will be paid back to them after college. I don't drink or smoke. No you shouldn't be able to afford cosmetics because their a completely frivolous expense that is considered a luxury.
    So according to you people should only be able to spend their dole money on food and essential clothes?You might think that cosmetics are a luxury,but there are a lot of women who won't go out without make up on or men who have to wear aftershve everywhere.It helps peoples confidence,so really its more than just a luxury.


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    #109
    starviewadams
    Registered Users Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    This thread is hilarious!

    People can spend the money that government has decided they are entitled to on whatever they want,its nobody elses business,end of story.


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    #110
    fartmaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭fartmaster


    DarkJager wrote: »
    No, you can **** off and take your high horse with you. I worked in a job, I paid taxes and its MY money I'm now claiming, not yours.

    Dont blame me if I choose not to use drugs and have a problem with the idiots that do. Its a crime to use drugs and its a crime if your using the very limited TAXPAYERS money to buy more drugs. Frankly I have no time for drug users, your the reason criminals have BMWs and are shooting themselves left right and centre and your probualy the reason why YOU are on the dole.


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    #111
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Snow-Monkey wrote: »
    yes they are smoking weed doesnt turn you into a zombie it heightens your preception and in some case's thats of use espechilkly with ina creative enviroment.

    I dunno, if I was running a business where my employee's were driving or in charge of machinery, dealing with the public, chef'ing etc I don't think I'd fancy hiring a stoner.

    I'm not sure if our Garda are drug tested but members of our Defence Forces are subjected to random drug testing, I wouldn't have a problem with this across the work force tbh, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on this?.


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    #112
    fartmaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭fartmaster


    starviewadams wrote: »
    This thread is hilarious!

    People can spend the money that government has decided they are entitled to on whatever they want,its nobody elses business,end of story.

    I beg to differ. If we had a proper politicans, ones that actually cared, then we might actually take of our money and our people instead of throwing money at them


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    #113
    Herbal Deity
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    Annabella Little Sometimes wrote: »
    I dunno, if I was running a business where my employee's were driving or in charge of machinery, dealing with the public, chef'ing etc I don't think I'd fancy hiring a stoner.

    I'm not sure if our Garda are drug tested but members of our Defence Forces are subjected to random drug testing, I wouldn't have a problem with this across the work force tbh, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on this?.
    Do you honestly believe that because someone smokes weed, they do it all day every day? Would you brand everyone who smokes weed a "stoner"?

    What problem do you have with someone smoking a spliff at night after work?

    And do you have the same problem with someone having a can or two at night? Would you advocate testing for alcohol also?


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    #114
    fartmaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭fartmaster


    Herbal Deity wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe that because someone smokes weed, they do it all day every day? Would you brand everyone who smokes weed a "stoner"?

    What problem do you have with someone smoking a spliff at night after work?

    And do you have the same problem with someone having a can or two at night? Would you advocate testing for alcohol also?

    Weed is illegal, beer is not. must be some reason for this???


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    #115
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    DarkJager wrote: »
    If I am or am not using drugs is nobodies business. I am recieving welfare entitlements I have worked for, and what I do with that money is my own choice. Nobody elses.



    Do you have bills you have to pay? A car finance maybe? Insurance? Loans? If you don't, then you really don't know what the dole is like. It isn't a walk in the park, and to be honest its a depressing enough existence without depriving of yourself of some luxuries to keep a smile on your face. You'll understand it better when you start working.

    "what I do with that money is my own choice. Nobody elses."

    Drugs are illegal and it is other peoples business if you purchase them with tax payers money.


    "depriving of yourself of some luxuries"

    Some luxuries but not drugs ffs


    "You'll understand it better when you start working."

    5 minutes ago you were saying the opposite.


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    #116
    Dudess
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    Oh right, so alcohol is legal, therefore not harmful.
    fartmaster wrote: »
    Frankly I have no time for drug users, your the reason criminals have BMWs and are shooting themselves left right and centre and your probualy the reason why YOU are on the dole.
    I'd say it's more to do with that thing that's going on at the moment called the recession...


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    #117
    DarkJager
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭DarkJager


    fartmaster wrote: »
    Dont blame me if I choose not to use drugs and have a problem with the idiots that do. Its a crime to use drugs and its a crime if your using the very limited TAXPAYERS money to buy more drugs. Frankly I have no time for drug users, your the reason criminals have BMWs and are shooting themselves left right and centre and your probualy the reason why YOU are on the dole.

    Thats your problem then, not mine. People have their own lives, they can make their own choices, and they don't need you or anybody like you to approve of them. As I pointed out in my post, which you obviously didn't read, its my money. MY MONEY. Is that clear to you now?

    And secondly, you don't know anything about me, anything about what I do in my free time yet you are quick to assume I'm funding scumbags and that its my fault I'm on the dole? **** right off with yourself.


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    #118
    starviewadams
    Registered Users Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    fartmaster wrote: »
    I beg to differ. If we had a proper politicans, ones that actually cared, then we might actually take of our money and our people instead of throwing money at them

    You beg to differ what?
    I've never claimed the dole myself,but I'm pretty sure that when you collect your money the SW office doesnt hand people a list of things that they can and cant buy with their dole.

    It's nobodys business what people spend their money that they are entitled to on whether it's legal or not.


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    #119
    TheCelticWizard
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    Annabella Little Sometimes wrote: »
    I dunno, if I was running a business where my employee's were driving or in charge of machinery, dealing with the public, chef'ing etc I don't think I'd fancy hiring a stoner.

    It's hardly fair to assume that anybody who smokes pot or whatever would do it during working hours though is it? If we were to use this rationale then everybody who drinks is likely to get pissed while working too.


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    #120
    fartmaster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭fartmaster


    Dudess wrote: »
    Oh right, so alcohol is legal, therefore not harmful.

    were did I say alcohol is not harmful?? Fact is if you buy drugs your funding criminals, which makes Weed far more harmful to our society than alcohol. you have to have a proper perspective of the situtation.


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    #121
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    It's hilarious that a lot of people in this thread seem to view illegal drug use as some sort of basic human right.


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