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I just got a chain E-mail from a mate and I think it actually raises a good point..
So what do you think?
Should drug screening procedures be put in place for people drawing the dole?
If they test positive, tough luck Jimmy, no cash for you.
Or is the system fine as it is?
You need to kick the person who gave sent you this email, in the face, because he/she is fcuking stupid.That'd be a great way to save money. (If the cost of setting it up isn't more that the money saved.)
Weed should be a luxury that you can't afford on the dole.
Ah, but beer and cigarettes is ok though, right? Double standards... :rolleyes:My name is URL wrote: »I think it'd be beneficial in certain cases.. Say for anyone on the dole for 2 years or more. If they're found to be on drugs then they can be assisted in getting over their addiction, and thus back on the road to employment
Addiction? I mean, if you are talking about heroin or crack, yea I understand, but smoking weed? I have yet to meet somebody who needs rehab for weed.Fighting Irish wrote: »I lol @ people like you
Everyone knows that when someone talks about people on "the dole" they mean the people who don't try, not the people who were unfortunate to lose their jobs etc
Get off your high horse
ps How's the dole?
I'm on the dole, so are 450K other people. I try, most days. I had an interview today, and another last week which I missed due to being sick. I have only worked about 2 months in the past 22 months. It's not as easy as people seem to think it is.Fighting Irish wrote: »Nope.
I know plenty of people on the dole that just drink it away every week. They're the people who should be targeted.
I do agree somewhat with what you're saying, but i have no time for people who put in **** all effort
There are people out there that will never put in the effort and are very happy with the little money they get. They are in the minority. Most want work, most want more money, most want a better life. What is the difference between drinking the dole money and smoking it?Annabella Little Sometimes wrote: »Not picking on you, but just using what you posted as an example.
I'll also say I've never had to claim Job Seekers Allowance so forgive my ignorance.
If someone is receiving Job Seekers Allowance, are they really in any state to seek employment if they're using recreational drugs?..
It wouldn't bother me in the least if a person on Job Seekers Allowance had to submit to random drug testing, in fact I'd have no objections to random testing whilst in employment also, but thats a whole other discussion.
With all due respect, you haven't a clue what you are talking about, and because you are in the army, you probably never will. I don't think you can have much of an opinion if you know very little about what you are talking about. That goes for dole and drugs. Sorry to say.
I don't mean to offend you, but you don't seem to know much about recreational drugs. Plenty of lawyers, barristers, doctors, etc etc on recreational drugs, and they seem to be doing ok
Well most of them anyway :pac:Their still illegal.
Although I don't give a **** about drug use I do think this is a good excuse to knock people off the dole and it's not like they have a leg to stand on because the dole is only supposed to cover basic living expenses and not expensive drug habits.
So you are looking for an excuse to knock people off the dole? Why? So you can have a better life at the expense of another?
You also don't have a clue what you are talking about. Expensive drug habbits? I bet you are ok with people pissing 60 quid up against the wall on a night out. Typical :rolleyes:Like I said I don't care about drug use I just said you should not be able to afford drugs while on the dole.
The dole should be the bare minimum required to survive on.
I cannot stand the sense of begrudgery here. You cannot stand that people are on social welfare enjoy themselves from time to time, which they are perfectly entitled to do. The dole is not supposed to be the bare minimum to survive on, but a little more, you are supposed to be able to socialise a little with it and have something of a life. Wether you like it or not, it's true.I don't think a complete cut off from the dole would be suitable but a deduction would be justified on the basis that they clearly have enough to live on and are wasting their excess cash on drugs.
Would you support this for all drugs? Legal and illegal? Should cut out pain killers, nicotene, caffene, alcohol, sugar etc etc, as they are all drugs, and by your logic, people shouldn't be allowed waste their money on drugs, right? :rolleyes:fartmaster wrote: »In all honesty your retarded if you are using drugs and if you using MY MONEY then it is my business and you can fook off and get a job!! Spend the money on whats important and not on the demons in your little head.
It's not your fcuking money, get over it. Less of the insults too. Why don't you educate yourself a little in the subject of drugs? Demons in your head... lol. Again, another person who hasn't the slightest idea wtf he is talking about.
Telling people to fook off and get a job is extremely ignorant. I hope you lose your job soon, at least you will be educated and will understand the situation a little better.starviewadams wrote: »This thread is hilarious!
People can spend the money that government has decided they are entitled to on whatever they want,its nobody elses business,end of story.
This man knows what he's talking aboutAnnabella Little Sometimes wrote: »I dunno, if I was running a business where my employee's were driving or in charge of machinery, dealing with the public, chef'ing etc I don't think I'd fancy hiring a stoner.
It's because you know nothing about it, only from the propoganda you have been submitted to. Think for yourself and do some research before passing judgement.I'm not sure if our Garda are drug tested but members of our Defence Forces are subjected to random drug testing, I wouldn't have a problem with this across the work force tbh, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on this?.
The majority of the workforce of this country do not have access to machinery with the primary purpose of killing people. While a lot of machinery is dangerous to deal with,fartmaster wrote: »Weed is illegal, beer is not. must be some reason for this???
Yea, it's called ignorance.
Also, check up on why weed is illegal. Or does it matter to you?fartmaster wrote: »were did I say alcohol is not harmful?? Fact is if you buy drugs your funding criminals, which makes Weed far more harmful to our society than alcohol. you have to have a proper perspective of the situtation.
Not a fact. It's actually a load of crap. If you are buying weed, chances are it's grown in somebodies shed. This idea that all weed comes from a drug lord is hilarious. Some of it does, but a lot of it is home grown. It seems that YOU have to have a proper perspective of the situation... lol the irony.In terms of this thread it really doesn't make a difference so stop dragging it off topic.
The state has decided that weed is illegal so why the **** should it fund people who use.?
If you can afford weed while on the dole you are getting too much money and it should be cut. Weed falls well below what the government should provide to people on the dole.
Again, should you be able to afford beer, smokes, chocolate, cinema, socialising? The argument "because it's illegal" holds no ground, it's just silly.Stop trying to turn this into a weed vs alcohol thread.
The thread is about whether the state should fund people to take illegal drugs.
No it's not. The thread is about drug testing. It's about people on social welfare getting a urine sample to test them for alcohol and other drugs. You should really know the thread at least before you go headlong into it. It doesn't make you look too good...What do you think is the purpose of the dole?
It is not their so people can enjoy the same lifestyle they did while they were working it's their so people can still have food in their belly and shelter over their head. I won't begrudge people small luxuries but if you are able to afford illegal drugs then you are being paid to much.
And small luxeries are what exactly? Are illegal/legal drugs not small luxeries?
It seems that your only problem is that it's illegal. Nothing more. You know nothing about drugs. Simple as
Only if what they are spending it on is legal.
Ah, so it's ok for an alcho to piss 196 euro a week against the wall, but if somebody buys a little bit of weed, it's all out war? You really need to read what you are saying before you post it. You are talking out your arse.Nice argument you put forward. I think it's clear you don't have a counter argument as to why people should be allowed to buy illegal good with dole money
How about, it's none of your fcuking business? Your sense of entitlement to know what people on social welfare are spending their money on is rediculous.Your living in dream-world if you think the government can pay 400,000 people enough money to go shopping in dundrum once a week.
The state is short of money so why should it be spending money it doesn't have to supply people with illegal drugs?
The state is not spending money to supply people with drugs. It gives them the money to spend it on what they want, and rightly so.fartmaster wrote: »thats some great logic there. how about instead of tightening up their belts they cop the fook on and stop messing with their own heads and wasting their money on pointless substances, and stop funding the criminals!! Only a person NOT on drugs seems to get the point im making here, which is understandable i guess as only sane people dont use drugs
Talking complete and utter shíte. The same kind of shíte comes from those who haven't a clue about what they are talking about and go on a rampage because they read somewhere that drugs are baaaaaad!!! Lol. There's more and more information on drugs yet people completely ignore it. Why? People stuck in their ways will never change. Why don't you cop the fook on and start minding your own business? Live your own life the way you want to and stop butting into other peoples business. You are making excuses to get your nose in, "they are spending my money" bullshít...A person on the dole has the right to spend their money how they wish...
About time, it only took you 10 pages or so...
Oh and people have the right to spend their money on what they want, legal or not. It's the consequences of spending their money on illegal products that they have to worry about.as long as it is legal. They should be supplied with enough money to survive on but not to so much that they can buy illegal drugs. If instead of buying basic necessities like food clothes and shelter they waste it on something like drugs then the state has every right to give them less money.
Why should the state fund something it does not condone?
You do not have a right to illegal drugs and the state has no obligation to supply you with the means to buy them it does however have an obligation to supply you with funds to meet your basic human rights.
Because not everyone on social welfare that fails a piss test is buying drugs with social welfare money.Annabella Little Sometimes wrote: »Not only do these people feel its their right for us (the tax payer) to fund their habit,
Get off your fcuking high horse already. You don't fund shít for me, you never have and you never will. I payed my own taxes.but when they're caught they then get a more lenient fine because of their unemployed status!...
Obviously, and if you cannot see the reasons for that then /facepalm.Check post No#27.
Seem's like a sweet deal for the unemployed stoner!.
The more I think about this the more I'm in agreement that people claiming Job Seekers Allowance should be subjected to random drug testing.
How can you be available (and reliable to an employer) for work if you've an addiction to illegal drugs?.
How can you have an opinion on a topic you know nothing about? More importantly.Are burbon creams illegal.
I can't believe the sense of entitlement to illegal drugs some people have.
I can't believe the sense of entitlement to unconstitutionaly deprive people of their privacy because they have overwhelming begrudgery against those on social welfare.
It's also called an entitlement to do what the fcuk we want to do. Wether you like it or not."They can spend it however they want, regardless of whether its legal or not "
So people are allowed to purchase illegal drugs then??
So how are they illegal.:D
Now you are just talking rubbish... absolute crap.Obviously a lot of Dole Queue rage in this thread.
I don't think for example, cannabinoids necessarily impact on someones ability to work. If youve been laid off for good reasons (overheads, etc. but otherwise exceptional employee), this seems pointless.
I can see needing to have higher standards for people who have been fired specifically for drug abuse; and for jobseekers who have never held a job. Because if you got fired from doing drugs, or have never worked, and are blowing your income on drugs, why should the state pay to support you? It shouldn't.
Also to Mr. Incognito at the front page: thats what Random Screening is about. You don't need to piss test every tom dick and harry in the line. Besides, drugs stay in your system for weeks; it would be absurd to be tested every week; or to test every person. Hence spot screening would be a viable approach if it saves the taxpayer at the end of the day perhaps millions of euro that are being spent on drug abuse.
Think about it this way: an employer can dictate that you take random drug tests as part of your employment; why can't the state make the same stipulation of the Dole?
People on the dole are not employed by the stateNot to my knowledge but as someone who rarely eats sugery junk food I don't see why my tax money should be wasted on people who choose to live an unhealthy lifestyle.
It's not your tax money, it's mine. Get off your high horse with this shít. Who are you to say if it's unhealthy or not. Yet another person who has absolutely no idea wtf he is talking about, only reciting crap he heard from some ignorant, brainwashed bigot. Typical.Obviously there are a few people who take drugs and are on the dole. Do you not think someone with a dependancy on drugs and no money will start commiting crime to feed the said habit?? Crime rate would go up a lot i think.
I was on the dole for two months at the start of the year after being made redundant and the way people look down on you is unreal, i admit i was the same when i was working but i have a different view on it now.
Theres a lot of higly skilled, decent people that cant genuinely cant get jobs. I dont think they should be treated like scumbags and druggies.
If only more people like you lost their jobs, would make this country a better place. Changed your mind did ya? What did you think of people on the dole before you lost your job? Probably had the same mentality as most others that never lost their jobs...0 -
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Christ Iam
You make a good point about alcohol, but again I wanna get back to the fiscal bit - Alchohol is Taxed; Drugs are not. If Drugs were taxed, I doubt it would be an issue. Not one for me, anyway.
As for being employed by the state; youre not. But also see my post regarding rights and responsibilities. Gun laws in the US have responsibilities attached; as do the rights protecting Free Speech. Your right to the Dole though you as an individual will have contributed large sums should not be without responsibility.0 -
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I used to be on my high horse thinking people who lost there jobs were just not trying hard enough to get a new. After being on the dole for a few months at the start of the year and after countless C.V's being sent and countless interviews i now understand how hard it is to get a job these days.
I also feel sorry for anyone on the dole now who is actively seeking work because there is NOTHING worse than waking up in the morning with nothing to do.
It's unfortunate that you lost your job, but at least you learnt what it's really like. Did you have a college or uni degree? Did you have much experience? I left college in 2008 with a degree to find no work. At first I started looking for what I was interested in, but after a few months I started looking for everything. Simply put, I am not good a job hunting, CV's, interview skills etc etc. Although that changed thankfully. Well at least now you realise and have an understanding as to what it is like...Christ Iam
You make a good point about alcohol, but again I wanna get back to the fiscal bit - Alchohol is Taxed; Drugs are not. If Drugs were taxed, I doubt it would be an issue. Not one for me, anyway.
As for being employed by the state; youre not. But also see my post regarding rights and responsibilities. Gun laws in the US have responsibilities attached; as do the rights protecting Free Speech. Your right to the Dole though you as an individual will have contributed large sums should not be without responsibility.
Hmm, well taxing drugs is getting into another topic of conversation, but I understand what you are saying. It's the perception that drugs are bad based on their legal standing. Which is complete balls, as many illegal drugs are not even as bad as legal drugs.
I have a duty to myself, I know what to spend my money on per week in order to survive. I spend in a way that I can put aside money for luxeries, like that lemon cake slice I had today which cost me 2 quid. Not a lot, I know, but I don't spend my money stupidly and therefore I can afford more luxeries than other people. If that is beer, or weed or whatever, then what does it matter? Would people be happier if I spent my extra cash on more luxurious food? Or saved it for a new TV?My name is URL wrote: »I hear this a lot.. not sure it's actually the case though. I smoke the odd bit of weed and enjoy it. But I know people who have had real problems with it. Addiction is more about personality than anything else, it doesn't matter what it is that some people become somewhat dependent on.. the fact that they may be dependent upon something means that the prospect of them finding employment easily is lessened.
I do not believe that weed causes no effects or damage, short term or long term. I have looked into it a lot, as I am interested in it and there is a lot to be learned about the drug. I know stoners, but I do not know any addicts. I am not sure if I am allowed to say this here or not, but we do not smoke the conventional way, we use vaporisers, which is very benificial to many people with diseases and other illnesses.And I know it's a minority, but that doesn't mean the issue isn't there. If someone knows that after 2 years of being reliant on state benefits, that they are required to abstain from drug use to prove that they are willing and capable of finding a job, and fail to abstain, then there may be a problem.. a problem that the current system ignores.
Thing is, not everyone that will have weed in their system will have taken the substance illegaly. I plan on going to holland in september for a few days, you can bet I will be inducing weed. Should I be penalised for this though?
I always had the opinion that if people do not want to work, and they want to depend entirely on the state, then they should be penalised.0 -
Annabella Little Sometimes wrote: »@ Iamxavier, jeeze calm down - you'll give yourself a heart attack taking that crap if it makes you that aggressive!.
Everyone just share a nice big virtual doobie & all your problems will soon fade away. 0 -
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