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  • Registered Users Posts: 36,258 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    SOTS, seriously.

    you are wrong.

    you do not know better than the admins, or the mods, or people that have been on here longer than you.

    it's baffling, truly baffling, and you're wasting so much of people's time.

    if you're going to argue something, be civil and respectful enough to know what the hell you're talking about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Bonito wrote: »
    Next time you try to warn me off a thread at least have enough bottle to allow me to reply.
    Sorry Bonito I was trying to be polite. I asked you to back off is all. Can only receive messages from mods.
    . Would posters allow myself and mods a bit of time to get it sorted. Bonito you saw De Vores message and thanked it and then still chipped in two posts later.. So again can you and others hang back as DeVore requested while this is being sorted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Darragh


    Sorry Darragh. may i point out some inaccuracies that still haven't being corrected
    On that mod infraction note on the prison forum at the time, it was claimed that Spiritoftheseventies was a multiple account even though it wasnt as I had actually changed the user name via subscription.
    I had to let that go despite having made a very strong case to mod on PF. I was told this was the way it was and it wasn't going to be discussed again.
    Re soccer ban My only minor offence at that was that i used an account to report on two or three posters who gloated on a forum after I had got banned.
    (Yeah I lost the rag with the mod and i have since apologised for it to him via pm)
    Those posts remained up and they only came down after i reported them under another account.
    It was for reporting this that I got a three week site ban for an offence that had nothing to do with my behaviour outside of that forum.

    Doesn't this all sound very complicated? You had an account that wasn't a duplicate account, it was a renamed account?

    And yet you had to ask me to merge accounts into your own account because you had other accounts (by other email addresses) and you had another account that you reported posts under and then you wanted a fresh start in soccer from some stuff you had posted in soccer?

    How many people do you reckon have as much complication with their accounts as you have had?
    This debate started over posters wanted to start afresh with new accounts. I was merely pointing out that due to the behaviour of some posters here that its not really possible.

    SOTS, no offence, but that's not your decision. That comes down to the Admins, to Dav and to me.

    We gave you the chance to start afresh with a new account.

    If someone is acting the eejit on site and decides to stop - to walk away from that, to start again under a new account and just get on with it - contributing, answering, discussing - we probably never hear about it. In fact, the only way we get to hear about most of the 320,000+ members we have is
    • if they've done something really good
    • if they've broken the rules
    • if they need help with something from us
    Many just get on with it and enjoy the site. I would imagine that less than 2,000 members on this site know my name or even care. 2,000 members is being generous to myself there.
    Some posters are relentless when it comes to getting their digs in. Its takes little to provoke them. Even tonight they continue to do so.

    True. So what do you do? Either deal with it constructively to stop it (and it stops 95% of it in my experience) or ignore it. Why let it bother you? Unless they're insulting you personally, what does it really matter? Really?
    I appreciate you took time out and that my case is unique but also understand that a certain amount of posters on SF are also unique in the way they post.

    Everyone's unique - though many people experience the same issues or have the same questions.
    The stuff that is allowed on Soccer Forum simply wouldn't happen anywhere else. My past behaviour outside the Soccer Forum is mimimal up until recently. But everything and I mean absolutely everything comes back to it.

    Would you believe that our Soccer forum is ONLY one forum and we have over 1,340? So maybe the stuff that happens on soccer doesn't happen elsewhere. If you're not happy with it, either stop posting or reading it or tell us about it.

    If you can come to me with a post that says "this is wrong in soccer, here's a few examples of it and here's all the members it's affecting, who also have the same problem with it that I do", then we can certainly look at that and work with the Soccer mods to sort it. However, I haven't seen a post like that about (m)any forums on the site, which says that either the site is working well or people don't care - which do you reckon it is?
    I'm asking that for the last time that something is done about this. Thanks

    What exactly are you asking, please. What is it that something needs to be done about? I know I'm probably stupid here, but indulge me. I'll try and help.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 18,115 ✭✭✭✭ShiverinEskimo


    Darragh wrote: »
    What exactly are you asking, please. What is it that something needs to be done about?

    NOOOOOOO!!! What have you done?! :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 36,258 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Darragh wrote: »
    What exactly are you asking, please. What is it that something needs to be done about?

    don't you see?

    that's what he wants you to do.

    don't come crying when his answer results in a migraine.

    ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Darragh wrote: »
    Doesn't this all sound very complicated? You had an account that wasn't a duplicate account, it was a renamed account?

    And yet you had to ask me to merge accounts into your own account because you had other accounts (by other email addresses) and you had another account that you reported posts under and then you wanted a fresh start in soccer from some stuff you had posted in soccer?

    How many people do you reckon have as much complication with their accounts as you have had?



    SOTS, no offence, but that's not your decision. That comes down to the Admins, to Dav and to me.

    We gave you the chance to start afresh with a new account.

    If someone is acting the eejit on site and decides to stop - to walk away from that, to start again under a new account and just get on with it - contributing, answering, discussing - we probably never hear about it. In fact, the only way we get to hear about most of the 320,000+ members we have is
    • if they've done something really good
    • if they've broken the rules
    • if they need help with something from us
    Many just get on with it and enjoy the site. I would imagine that less than 2,000 members on this site know my name or even care. 2,000 members is being generous to myself there.



    True. So what do you do? Either deal with it constructively to stop it (and it stops 95% of it in my experience) or ignore it. Why let it bother you? Unless they're insulting you personally, what does it really matter? Really?



    Everyone's unique - though many people experience the same issues or have the same questions.



    Would you believe that our Soccer forum is ONLY one forum and we have over 1,340? So maybe the stuff that happens on soccer doesn't happen elsewhere. If you're not happy with it, either stop posting or reading it or tell us about it.

    If you can come to me with a post that says "this is wrong in soccer, here's a few examples of it and here's all the members it's affecting, who also have the same problem with it that I do", then we can certainly look at that and work with the Soccer mods to sort it. However, I haven't seen a post like that about (m)any forums on the site, which says that either the site is working well or people don't care - which do you reckon it is?



    What exactly are you asking, please. What is it that something needs to be done about? I know I'm probably stupid here, but indulge me. I'll try and help.
    Again. on the multiple accounts. There were only two extra accounts. BVC and SOTs =1 account. And again if that facility is available to me via subscription why was it an issue. Paid for the service. So that should be end of discussion.
    In addition asked for that to be closed and stay with Fake Locke. So just two accounts and it could have been sorted that simply and quickly enough.
    That final one, onestepahead was only up a week. So no big deal. It had no bearing on SF andyet picked up a site ban for merely correcting a lack of modding re trolling following my ban within that forum.
    Again from my side my behaviour on SF maybe seen as bad but its only within the confines of what happens there. So again if you tell me my behaviour is bad in there yet good outside surely that should surely tell you something.
    We are talking about forum that was closed down a few years ago as well and i have come across posters who say flat out they wont post there any more.
    At this stage to be bonest I dont see any progress on this front. I had hoped mods in there had made some effort to sort the situation out while i was but that doesnt seem to have happened.
    Can't be helped. And re the dual account issue which apparently is not that big a deal. told one mod/poster about the Fake Locke account but he chose to make a huge fuss about it for his own ends and still does.
    Tonight whether it was in jest or not, he said flat out I was posting as another poster. Who was signed up a year before me.
    So stuff like that is just annoying. That is trolling plain and simple.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Chong


    Sorry for butting in here, but the stuff you are talking about the soccer forum is infuriating. Bringing up the past , that has ZERO to do with this thread, dragging the Soccer Forum continually pisses me right off. You say so much is wrong with the place and your on some crusade to change a place that does not want or need to be changed, we had this at the start of the week with your "Letstalksoccer" debacle, and you made an absolute mockery of yourself.

    99.9% of the people in that forum would agree its well run, by excellent mods ( I would have not said this in the past but admittingly, but I have no trouble stating it now). Can you please quit this mission you are on with a forum a whole community of members here love, be it posting in, reading, buying/selling tickets or playing for Boardeaux. The repututation of the forum was poor in the past, and your CONSTANT dragging it up here there and everywhere is absolutely is trying to take it back to those times single handedly.

    Please for the sake of what people who post in the soccer forum, or use cut this out and stop dragging it through the dirt at every opporutinity you have a chance for attention, its not wanted or needed your so called CRUSADE.

    Yours Sincerely

    A truly pissed of Soccer Forum member.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Chong wrote: »
    Sorry for butting in here, but the stuff you are talking about the soccer forum is infuriating. Bringing up the past , that has ZERO to do with this thread, dragging the Soccer Forum continually pisses me right off. You say so much is wrong with the place and your on some crusade to change a place that does not want or need to be changed, we had this at the start of the week with your "Letstalksoccer" debacle, and you made an absolute mockery of yourself.

    99.9% of the people in that forum would agree its well run, by excellent mods ( I would have not said this in the past but admittingly, but I have no trouble stating it now). Can you please quit this mission you are on with a forum a whole community of members here love, be it posting in, reading, buying/selling tickets or playing for Boardeaux. The repututation of the forum was poor in the past, and your CONSTANT dragging it up here there and everywhere is absolutely is trying to take it back to those times single handedly.

    Please for the sake of what people who post in the soccer forum, or use cut this out and stop dragging it through the dirt at every opporutinity you have a chance for attention, its not wanted or needed your so called CRUSADE.

    Yours Sincerely

    A truly pissed of Soccer Forum member.
    Sorry Chong I haven't come across you yet on SF so sorry have to dismiss you outright in terms of SF and you are not a regular poster outside of whatever club board you post.. As for the 99.9 thats just a figure made up from top of your head. as for the Bordeaux team and selling the tickets just dont see that being relevant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,210 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sorry Chong I haven't come across you yet on SF so sorry have to dismiss you outright in terms of SF and you are not a regular poster outside of whatever club board you post.. As for the 99.9 thats just a figure made up from top of your head. as for the Bordeaux team and selling the tickets just dont see that being relevant.
    Talk about an Ad Hominem attack.

    Sots why don't you address what he's trying to say. Being dismissive is pointless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Chong is a long time excellent member of the SF, the fact that you aren't aware of him is perfect proof of why you shouldn't be trying to dictate how the forum is run and of both how clueless you are in regards to the goings on there and what the forums members want.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    Sorry Chong I haven't come across you yet on SF so sorry have to dismiss you outright in terms of SF and you are not a regular poster outside of whatever club board you post.. As for the 99.9 thats just a figure made up from top of your head. as for the Bordeaux team and selling the tickets just dont see that being relevant.
    I think you need a shovel or else you're gonna end up in OZ!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Overheal wrote: »
    Talk about an Ad Hominem attack.

    Sots why don't you address what he's trying to say. Being dismissive is pointless.
    Okay to correct. I dismiss the post outright. Like I said I haven't come across that poster so I just can't validate the post as such.
    Can vouch for Shivering Eskimo and SlicRic though. Bonito I haven't come across either on SF.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Chong is a long time excellent member of the SF, the fact that you aren't aware of him is perfect proof of why you shouldn't be trying to dictate how the forum is run and of both how clueless you are in regards to the goings on there and what the forums members want.
    Again Mr Alan only talking about my views on it and if you are talking about Letstalksoccer you are now fronting that group having agreed to take it on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Bonito I haven't come across either on SF.
    Why would you? I don't follow soccer. What does this all have to do with soccer and why are you bringing me back in to this after sending me a Pm which I should have reported with regards of it's content?


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,210 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Okay to correct. I dismiss the post outright. Like I said I haven't come across that poster so I just can't validate the post as such.
    Can vouch for Shivering Eskimo and SlicRic though. Bonito I haven't come across either on SF.
    Its called taking people at their word.

    How the hell do you function on a day to day basis??

    Just because you havent read many of their posts doesnt mean they are any less important than you. You are not your post count.

    I dont see Ross very often for example, and yet he's directly responsible for keeping this forum running on all 12 cylinders.

    similarly Many people read boards more than they write to it. Many very valuable contributors to this site have only a few hundred, maybe a couple thousand posts, and yet have been on board since 2000 and 2002, and have been active Subscribers.

    In short: your metric is deeply flawed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,867 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    SOTS, we Soccer moderators have been extremely patient with you, and it's been bloody difficult at times.

    We have facilitated your complained, listened to your moaning, and tried to poin you in the right direction. And what do you do? You slap us in the face by registering new accounts and bad mouthing us both here and in your little social group.

    You've become a laughing stock due to your refusal to listen to others and to also to look a bit closer to home for the source of your problems.

    Frankly at this stage I'm not even interested in your reply to this so please refrain from doing so. Think of it as being like how every other user feels when they try to respond to one of your PMs seeing as you have them turned off.

    You've gotten way too many chances in my opinion, and hopefully your luck is about to run out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Chong


    Sorry Chong I haven't come across you yet on SF so sorry have to dismiss you outright in terms of SF and you are not a regular poster outside of whatever club board you post.. As for the 99.9 thats just a figure made up from top of your head. as for the Bordeaux team and selling the tickets just dont see that being relevant.
    I am a long time member of that forum, and because I dont post regularly does not mean someone who has been here just under a year can dismiss my usage of the forum I have used for 8 years.

    My usage of the forum is reading, I read, I have contributed to that forum in the past but I am content in reading now, if thats ok with yourself kind sir. I dont feel the need to post every day or feel the need to post stuff that frankly infuriates people on a regular basis. You have been likened to a troll for very good reason , and as you know by now this pretty much by general consensus, be it here or in the soccer forum. Just have a quick read of your "Letstalksoccer" thread to realise your serious lack of ineptitude.

    You have an absolute cheek to dismiss me for starters because I dont post every waking thought in my head in every thread I can lurk in and b)the community as a whole. Let me fill you in on that forum, it is a community of people, that community is Tickets, Boardeaux, Go Ahead Eagles, and Soccer. There are people on there who have made good friends, socialised with each other, played football with each other, have lost friends on there, so for you to come on here 1 year on , and dismiss, bitch and bull**** about a community of friends is an insult to everyone who wishes to use and partake in boards.ie's soccer community.

    You sir have no business tackling non existent issues, and these constant threads be it in Feedback, FeedForward, Help Desk, Social Groups, Soccer Forum are an absolute shambles of the highest order, you are trying to bring the forum in to disrepute. Thankfully everyone can see right through you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Think of it as being like how every other user feels when they try to respond to one of your PMs seeing as you have them turned off.

    You've gotten way too many chances in my opinion, and hopefully your luck is about to run out.
    By jaysis I'll drink to that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Was hoping that posters were going to give the space that DeVore requested but that didnt happen.
    Who knows might get a resolution out of this but as I said while everyone seeks to dismiss A and Include B we are usual not getting very far.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    SOTS, we Soccer moderators have been extremely patient with you, and it's been bloody difficult at times.

    We have facilitated your complained, listened to your moaning, and tried to poin you in the right direction. And what do you do? You slap us in the face by registering new accounts and bad mouthing us both here and in your little social group.

    You've become a laughing stock due to your refusal to listen to others and to also to look a bit closer to home for the source of your problems.

    Frankly at this stage I'm not even interested in your reply to this so please refrain from doing so. Think of it as being like how every other user feels when they try to respond to one of your PMs seeing as you have them turned off.
    And to confirm Xavi you were invited on to that group and I dont recall badmouthing anyone. Stop telling lies.
    You've gotten way too many chances in my opinion, and hopefully your luck is about to run out.
    Tell me this Xavi. Where exactly did you faciiltate me. Im curious on this one. The flip side of this is you have teken absolutely nothing on board. I got a three week site ban which was all down to how posters under your and othe mods watch behaved.
    Ill say this agan and listen this time. My behaviour outside the SF is pretty much unblemished.
    You post on Alternative music section so you know that to be true and you will know none of the bull**** that goes on in SF happens there. Can you explain that to me rather than trying to use the threatening language you just used .
    Also you were invited to that group. Never bad mouthed you there. Be fair for once


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Was hoping that posters were going to give the space that DeVore requested but that didnt happen.
    Who knows might get a resolution out of this but as I said while everyone seeks to dismiss A and Include B we are usual not getting very far.
    Why should they? Especially when you back seat mod and Pm people telling them to stay off the thread. If an admin gives me permission to put your Pm on here I'll do it in a flash.

    DeV requested space for you to reply. You didn't. DeV did not type in bold and order everyone off the thread. It was a request to give you a chance to reply to him and you failed to.

    A and B? A being the Op's queery and B being you hijacking the thread and talking nonsense. How does everything revert back to soccer?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    Ill say this agan and listen this time. My behaviour outside the SF is pretty much unblemished.
    You post on Alternative music section so you know that to be true and you will know none of the bull**** that goes on in SF happens there. Can you explain that to me rather than trying to use the threatening language you just used .
    Do you think you deserve a respectful reply after your tone in this post? You're doing yourself no favours what-so-ever! Why dont you call it a night and only reply to DeV from now on, instead of having a go at the SF (which btw has nothing to do with the OP)!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Bonito wrote: »
    Why should they? Especially when you back seat mod and Pm people telling them to stay off the thread. If an admin gives me permission to put your Pm on here I'll do it in a flash.

    DeV requested space for you to reply. You didn't. DeV did not type in bold and order everyone off the thread. It was a request to give you a chance to reply to him and you failed to.

    A and B? A being the Op's queery and B being you hijacking the thread and talking nonsense. How does everything revert back to soccer?
    Actually you are wrong. I pm'd Devore.Again you posted a very provoking statement almost straight after Devore asked posters to back off. I politely and Ill repeat politely asked you to back off.
    So did nothing wrong there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Kiera wrote: »
    Do you think you deserve a respectful reply after your tone in this post? You're doing yourself no favours what-so-ever! Why dont you call it a night and only reply to DeV from now on, instead of having a go at the SF (which btw has nothing to do with the OP)!
    So its okay for Xavi to hope my luck runs out but i cant say anything. Nice one Keira. Yeah will call it a night.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    So its okay for Xavi to hope my luck runs out but i cant say anything. Nice one Keira. Yeah will call it a night.
    You brought it all on yourself. Night.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Bonito


    Actually you are wrong. I pm'd Devore.Again you posted a very provoking statement almost straight after Devore asked posters to back off. I politely and Ill repeat politely asked you to back off.
    So did nothing wrong there.
    Read what you have just written. DeV asked posters to leave the thread so you could answer him. You never did. You sent him a Pm. If you and DeV are discussing things over Pm and not on the thread, as he requested, why do I have to "back off"?

    Repeat politely? So, for a 2nd time, you are now back seat modding on a thread in Feedback that you've hijacked from the original post?


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,867 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Tell me this Xavi. Where exactly did you faciiltate me. Im curious on this one. The flip side of this is you have teken absolutely nothing on board. I got a three week site ban which was all down to how posters under your and othe mods watch behaved.
    Ill say this agan and listen this time. My behaviour outside the SF is pretty much unblemished.
    You post on Alternative music section so you know that to be true and you will know none of the bull**** that goes on in SF happens there. Can you explain that to me rather than trying to use the threatening language you just used .
    Also you were invited to that group. Never bad mouthed you there. Be fair for once

    You just couldn't resist could you?

    We facilitated you in the sense that we read your constant PMs, took on board your feedback, and took action as we saw fit. We just didn't happen to agree with you. That's something you need to learn to deal with, not just here but in life as well.

    As for 'threatening language', if you have a problem with what I have posted then report it.

    We all know you're familiar with the little button.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,210 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    My behaviour outside the SF is pretty much unblemished
    Didnt I just hours ago have to issue my first ever Yellow Card to you?


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I dont want to discuss anything by PM. Right here, right in the open, this is my favourite place to argue. I'm not running anywhere.... :)

    You quoted my post, either agree you were wrong or directly call me a liar.





    Oh and as for your new utopia of Letstalksoccer?? You installed yourself as emperor and then deleted any posts you didnt like. Then when people didnt follow your line, you deleted the ENTIRE FORUM, every single post (!) and then started again and then threw a spaz attack and handed it to someone else in a huff.

    That was about the single biggest online *fail* I have ever witnessed mate. Managing a forum is awful tough and you went about 48 hours before imploding. Yeah, I'm going to take your word over the word of the hardworking and successful Soccer mods.

    DeV.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Overheal wrote: »
    Didnt I just hours ago have to issue my first ever Yellow Card to you?
    Was talking up until tongith overheal and again thats not being fair. Went into that thread to point out something to a poster re third party email. Got my fingers burnt with an infraction and then you bring it up online for good measure. I even made a point of apologising on that thread.


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