Use your fingerprint to pay.

Run_to_da_hills

"Shoppers in France could soon be able to use their finger to pay for everyday shopping, in a move that aims to tackle fraud and speed up supermarket queues.

High-street bank Accord has been given permission by the French data protection authorities to start a six-month trial into the new biometric payment system".

One couldn't find a more sinister way of building up the national fingerprint database and tracking ones whereabouts with every single purchase at the same time. :rolleyes:



http://www.connexionfrance.com/france-fingerprint-payment-biometric-scanners-accord-bank-auchan-11614-view-article.html

namloc1980

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

One couldn't find a more sinister way of building up the national fingerprint database and tracking ones whereabouts with every single purchase at the same time. :rolleyes:

Does every piece of new technology have to be sinister and evil?

PCPhoto

namloc1980 wrote: »

Does every piece of new technology have to be sinister and evil?

only if its got something to do with the government !

[gets tinfoil hat - runs away cackling !!]

Run_to_da_hills

namloc1980 wrote: »

Does every piece of new technology have to be sinister and evil?

If the Government announced in the morning that everyone in the country had to go down to their local barrax and register their thumb print on the national database there would be uproar from civil liberties groups.

Tell them that their thumb prints will make shopping more convenient and eliminate fraud and the people will jump at it.

Just as the registered smart card that is currently creeping into the country. Frog in boiling pot scenario. It will be too late before people realise.

schween

Why would you care? What have you got to hide?
If they had everyone's fingerprint wouldn't a lot of crimes be solved faster, saving a lot of money?

namloc1980

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If the Government announced in the morning that everyone in the country had to go down to their local barrax and register their thumb print on the national database there would be uproar from civil liberties groups.

Tell them that their thumb prints will make shopping more convenient and eliminate fraud and the people will jump at it.

Just as the registered smart card that is currently creeping into the country. Frog in boiling pot scenario. It will be too late before people realise.

Fair enough. You might provide us with the link where it says the French Govt plan on using these fingerprint payment machines in some sinister plot please?

PS what is the Irish registered smartcard?

Run_to_da_hills

schween wrote: »

Why would you care? What have you got to hide?
If they had everyone's fingerprint wouldn't a lot of crimes be solved faster, saving a lot of money?

The premise that individuals have nothing to hide and nothing to fear in a 'big brother' society is nothing more than a myth riddled with false assumptions.

A multitude of problems can arise from continuously gathering too much data.

Trusting the government and private companies entities full of people, some of which will inevitably have an immoral few make it easier for data to be misused and error prone.

That said, people who have nothing to hide and nothing to fear may eventually find their data misused in the future. How many laptops and pen drives have gone AWOL over the last few years?

old_aussie

Sounds like a good move to tackle fraud, which is costing people millions in lost money through ATM fraud/scanning.

PIN and password activation is out of date technology, so easy to get defeat.

Penn

SHOPPERS in France could soon be able to use their finger to pay for everyday shopping, in a move that aims to tackle fraud and speed up supermarket queues.

High-street bank Accord has been given permission by the French data protection authorities to start a six-month trial into the new biometric payment system.

The idea had been rejected by the Commission Nationale Informatique et Liberté on several occasions in the past because of fears that storing fingerprint data posed a privacy and security risk.

However the new system developed by Accord records the unique pattern of veins underneath a person's index finger - not the fingerprint itself.

The bank - which is owned by Auchan - will offer the service to a number of its current account customers and biometric readers will be installed in a number of its hypermarkets.

Customers begin by registering their finger data securely with their bank.

Touching the finger scanner at the checkout confirms the buyer's identity and the amount is then debited from their account.

The system is already proving popular in Germany, where supermarket chain Edeka has been using it since 2007.

It'd be pretty difficult to fake the pattern of veins under the surface of someone's skin to be honest.

And has there been any faults so far with the German system?

schween

There will always be errors and misuse from a minority, but if the system benefits the majority the majority of the time, isn't that better?

My employer has been using fingerprints to clock in and out for a few years, and so far there have been no problems.

I neither support nor am I against it because I don't really know enough about it. I'm just curious as to why it would be so bad.

robtri

RTDH...
how do you get around in life with all this new evil technology......

OK on this one.....

What government is sponsoring this??? invested in this actual project...

are there any plans for forced used on any population?

If the Government announced in the morning that everyone in the country had to go down to their local barrax and register their thumb print on the national database there would be uproar from civil liberties groups.

Tell them that their thumb prints will make shopping more convenient and eliminate fraud and the people will jump at it.

Just as the registered smart card that is currently creeping into the country. Frog in boiling pot scenario. It will be too late before people realise.

but they havent announced this, this is your own mind working overtime again......

TalkieWalkie

This has all the hallmarks of the RFID chip, just one step closer to a cashless society.

I envisage a lot of crime in France involving people having their fingers chopped off.

Run_to_da_hills

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

This has all the hallmarks of the RFID chip, just one step closer to a cashless society.

I envisage a lot of crime in France involving people having their fingers chopped off.

More of a lead into the implant.

People will have to carry out two actions each time they make a purchase,
ie swipe their card and scan their finger. Dual input scanners are already on the market that have the ability to read RFID & thumb.

Cards can still get tampered with, the solution would be to incorporate the chip in body making a more convenient and secure transaction.

crossmolinalad

robtri wrote: »

RTDH...
how do you get around in life with all this new evil technology......

OK on this one.....

What government is sponsoring this??? invested in this actual project...

are there any plans for forced used on any population?

The dutch doing it since last year
In passports drivers license
they put in a chip with all of your details in it and u have to give them 4 fingerprints
two are for a database and two are going in your passport

Kepti

The government can pry my fingerprints from my cold, dead hands!

robtri

crossmolinalad wrote: »

The dutch doing it since last year
In passports drivers license
they put in a chip with all of your details in it and u have to give them 4 fingerprints
two are for a database and two are going in your passport

and this relates to a cashless society and tracking your every movement as every transaction/purcahse you make is recorded....

TalkieWalkie

The elite bankers have the most to gain from this and RFID chips, but are they financing it ? or have they convinced governments to finance it through problem reaction solution. I imagine these scanners and RFID chips would cost trillions.
The sick thing is that tax payers will probably end up footing the bill for their own deeper enslavement.

Run_to_da_hills

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

The elite bankers have the most to gain from this and RFID chips, but are they financing it ? or have they convinced governments to finance it through problem reaction solution. I imagine these scanners and RFID chips would cost trillions.
The sick thing is that tax payers will probably end up footing the bill for their own deeper enslavement.

It will creep in under "austerity measures" through governments into countries like Greece and Ireland. By eliminating cash from society the authorities can have more control over national finances and weed out the black economy thus producing figures that "should" satisfy international creditors.