Teacher cleared of trying to kill pupil with dumb-bell

macaronicheese

Morkarleth wrote: »

You're more concerned about that than a grown man beating a child half to death?

When is it ever acceptable for an adult to beat a child like this?

if hes a jumpy knack from limerick

nlgbbbblth

Morkarleth wrote: »

You're more concerned about that than a grown man beating a child half to death?

When is it ever acceptable for an adult to beat a child like this?

When is it ever acceptable for a student to continually torment a teacher and tell him to "f*ck off"?

What the teacher did was wrong but it was retaliation - he didn't instigate the conflict. If he wasn't provoked none of this would have happened.

Cook!eMonster

im sure some of my teachers would love to read this article haha

twinQuins

It was a completely disproportionate response. I'm sorry but the only thing, for me, that could justify this kind of behaviour is if it was a life and death situation.

I think people are losing sight of the fact that this is a grown man beating a child with a heavy instrument. Even if he'd picked on someone of comparable age and strength it'd be reprehensible but to do this to a fucking child?
Posters go berserk when murderers and the like are given light sentences in this country and this guy is being defended?

Fuck me, I just don't get you guys.

drakshug

Morkarleth wrote: »

It was a completely disproportionate response. I'm sorry but the only thing, for me, that could justify this kind of behaviour is if it was a life and death situation.

I think people are losing sight of the fact that this is a grown man beating a child with a heavy instrument. Even if he'd picked on someone of comparable age and strength it'd be reprehensible but to do this to a fucking child?
Posters go berserk when murderers and the like are given light sentences in this country and this guy is being defended?

Fuck me, I just don't get you guys.

Right we'll put you in with kids like them for a year and see how many weeks you go without lashing out.
They were there with cameras goading that teacher so he would lash out but he totally lost it after constant harassment. Psychologically, I doubt you'd last. You go all nice and best matey matey and you are a wuss. You lose your temper and you are marked as someone to wind up.
Trouble in the UK and Ireland is the teenies are seen as wee angels when they are actually, spoiled, evil wee ****s. They know their rights and what an adult can and can't do and they use that knowledge.
Take yourself out of the teaching scenario and put yourself in an average, estate living, person's shoes. You hear every night shouting, bawling, running through yer garden and nothing from the parents so you go out and tell them to eff off somewhere else. They then see it as a bit of fun to wind you up. What are you going to do....move?? Phone the Gardai?
You'll end up after a few months giving what their parents should have done years ago.
The only thing he did wrong was using a dumbell. He should have used a tawse or the back of his hand.
Rant over.

m@cc@

jujibee wrote: »

"A science teacher who bludgeoned an unruly pupil with a 3kg dumb-bell while shouting "die, die, die" was cleared yesterday of trying to murder the boy."

I'm sure that must be a weight off his mind.

rainbowtrout

kelle wrote: »

TBH, I'm more horrified that this child could say "F-off" to his teacher and still be allowed into the school! I never once heard that being said to a teacher during my schooldays (we got a belt off a ruler for a lot less), and my 17-year-old babysitter tells me it doesn't happen in her school. Maybe I'm lucky to live in an area where parents actually do their job properly!

If a child is allowed to be so disrespectful during their schooldays then this will carry through into adulthood - and if they treat a future employer the same they won't hold a job!

This is happening every day in schools around the country, but as you say a lot has to do with the parents. Unfortunately a common response from the parents is 'Why are you picking on my child?'

Dudess

Noreen1 wrote: »

The traditional remedy was to either beat them into submission, or expel them. "Modern" thinking is that the teacher is now a miracle worker, who can restore reasonable behaviour where parents and other teachers have failed to do so.

Well while I agree with suspension/expulsion in extreme cases, thank god for "modern" thinking if it means no more beatings.

kelle wrote: »

If a child is allowed to be so disrespectful during their schooldays then this will carry through into adulthood - and if they treat a future employer the same they won't hold a job!

I don't know if that's always the case Kelle - a lot of the girls in my school were cheeky bitches, to the point of assaulting teachers/fellow pupils, and they're responsible adults now and horrified at how obnoxious they were, and really remorseful. It's to do with immaturity, not just too much permissiveness.

drakshug wrote: »

Right we'll put you in with kids like them for a year and see how many weeks you go without lashing out.

People are just saying it's fairly "wtf?!" to agree with a kid being battered with a dumb-bell (he could have been killed), they're not blaming the teacher for losing control, or denying the little brat deserved to be punished.

Noreen1

Dudess wrote: »

Well while I agree with suspension/expulsion in extreme cases, thank god for "modern" thinking if it means no more beatings.

Agreed. I don't approve of teachers hitting children.
Neither would I approve of expulsion for the occasional bit of "messing", by a child that is normally well-behaved.

But, neither do I believe that every child who consistently acts the brat has either a behavioural disorder, or is being "picked on" by every teacher in the school.

The current system of 2-day suspensions as a punishment is, by and large, regarded as a reward system by students who consistently act the brat on every teacher.

I just think that one or two expulsions should be enough to convince parents that perhaps their "little angels" aren't very angelic!:D

Noreen

OutlawPete

Teacher in our school in Swords that had a Hurley.

If people were talking, he used to slap a sliotar off that back wall.

The fcuking thing would whip over our heads and scare the bejaysus out of us.

He was sound though.

It was so easy to distract him from school work.

Just start talking about the Easter Rising or old All Irelands and he'd take out an acoustic guitar and start singing Christy Moore songs.

spinandscribble

schween wrote: »

He's going to be sentenced for grievous bodily harm without intention to kill at a later date.

It says he won't get a jail sentence or even a suspended one, he'll more then likely get "help" with his issue. Sure he should get therapy but no punishment?

Snickers Man

Morkarleth wrote: »

It was a completely disproportionate response. I'm sorry but the only thing, for me, that could justify this kind of behaviour is if it was a life and death situation.

I think people are losing sight of the fact that this is a grown man beating a child with a heavy instrument. Even if he'd picked on someone of comparable age and strength it'd be reprehensible but to do this to a fucking child?
Posters go berserk when murderers and the like are given light sentences in this country and this guy is being defended?

Fuck me, I just don't get you guys.

Relax. Nobody is saying it was justified. The only thing at issue is the relative amount of sympathy due to the teacher and pupil. I think the judge was quite right to say he would not send the man to jail for this offence. He was clearly at the end of his tether and flipped. And the jury was quite right to say it was not "attempted murder".

Of course it was unacceptable behaviour but spreading the story does no harm to let snotty teenagers know (and I know something about snotty teenagers at this stage of my life. I have two!) that everybody has a breaking point and that there is usually a price to be paid for tormenting somebody beyond theirs.

It's called growing up.

cypharius

As a secondary school student, it may be suprising to hear that I agree with the Jury. I have witnessed many cases of students being pricks for no reason.

This could have been avoided if schools had a system where they can expell a student permanently for disrupting class systimaticly.

I'm sick of my learning being disrupted so that people who don't want to learn can learn.