Belgium bans the Burka

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Nodin wrote: »

Soon they'll have to lose the beard, as it may be oppressing us westerners....

What about real beards? Should we change the law just to suit the Amish immigrants?! Damn Amish, telling us what to do...

Ikky Poo2

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

What about guys dressed as Santa as part of a Christmas celebration?

Its clearly a tribute to the prophet Muhammad. Its a veiled(:D) attempt at warping the minds of the young Western kids. Has to be banned to preserve our Christian values

Nodin

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

What about real beards? Should we change the law just to suit the Amish immigrants?! Damn Amish, telling us what to do...

Yer right. Send them back to Amis if they want to be like that.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Facepainted kids at festvals? That being banned too?

itsonlywords

ascanbe wrote: »

So, you detest how they act; therefore, we should act like them.

Why do you introduce the word "detest" into the converstaion? I noticed that from liberals , that they introduce certain emotianally charged words into their responses to try and take the conversataion their way.
Are you saying that I wish to act like "them"? Never ever ever, I am very happy being a free man and living in a democray where women aree treated as equals and not covered up to appease the stupidity of sad mussie men. Maybe all these women are ugly? Now I have cracked it, they are all ugly, the ones who cover their faces because their men force them to do it.

baalthor

If it's acceptable to ban items of clothing surely culottes should be first on the list :-D

itsonlywords

Nodin wrote: »

Soon they'll have to lose the beard, as it may be oppressing us westerners....

Another stupid answer. Liberals are brilliant at defending these people who came to our countries in many cases without invitation and now that they are here please will they be mannerly enough to blend in with us. We dont wnat to blend with them or have our lifestyle changed, Given their way we would all be going to mosques every Frioday. Religion has no place in our society. We live nicely without those people trying to force change on us. They like this style so much, let them go to their own countries and enjoy whatever freedom they have there. bet given the choice they will stay here. Ok enjoy it here but blend in and accept us as we are. You will never change us.We will resist change that is detrimental to our culture at all costs.

prinz

wes wrote: »

I would think banning the Burqa out right is extreme, personally. Now making people id themselves in banks etc is perfectly reasonable. i am giving extreme example, as I consider banning the Burqa to be extreme.

So it's not ok to ban burkas but it is ok to ban burka wearers from commerical premises, public facilities etc? What is the point of wearing a burka if the wearer would be ok with removing it going into a bank/shop/cinema etc? Defeats the supposed purpose of it entirely.

Nodin wrote: »

The post where you had a little rant about how you knew what they were like from your 'experience' modding the Islam forum and how none of them ever compromised etc? Unfortunately thats more than 500 posts back and I can't find it.

I am obviously an anti-Muslim bigot because I pointed out that one of that forums mods stated that westerners going to Muslim countries had to obey the laws and customs of that country but Muslim inhabitants in western countries don't have to reciprocate by virtue of thier religion? That's not bigotry, that was a case of highlighting utter hypocrisy.

FWIW I have also posted many times about the respect I have for Islam, my interest in Islamic food, music, movies etc. The burka does not equal Islam. Having an issue with one thing, does not mean I have an issue with the religion itself or any of it's adherents. Personally I would probably get on better with Muslims, than with most Irish 'christians'.

wes wrote: »

It apparently originates from the Byzantium (or Eastern Roman empire), where upper class Women use to wear them.

No, no, no. It goes back way before that wes. The pagan/polytheist nomadic tribes of the Arabian peninsula wore burka like clothing, male and female, for the practical reasons of living in a desert, sandstorms etc. Early christian writers discussed it this way. It was alread prevalent long before Islam.

wes wrote: »

Also, if you look at there reasons, its basically a fu to the Muslim community in there country.

Nope. Does the law state it only applies to Muslims?

Mike 1972

itsonlywords wrote: »

We dont wnat to blend with them or have our lifestyle changed.

People wearing what they like = forcing change on you ?

prinz wrote: »

I am obviously an anti-Muslim bigot because I pointed out that one of that forums mods stated that westerners going to Muslim countries had to obey the laws and customs of that country but Muslim inhabitants in western countries don't have to reciprocate by virtue of thier religion? That's not bigotry, that was a case of highlighting utter hypocrisy.

Could both of you try raising some new points in support of your position. Constantly rehashing old ones while failing to address any of the points raised in response becomes rather tedious reading after a while (especially when were going to have it all over again on the next Burqua thread Oh any munute now..........)

itsonlywords

Deleted User wrote: »

Its clearly a tribute to the prophet Muhammad. Its a veiled(:D) attempt at warping the minds of the young Western kids. Has to be banned to preserve our Christian values

Ok lets do it Mohammads way as the sickos in England do and maybe here at this stage. Mohammad married a 6 year old and had sex with her at 9. Whaaaaaaat? A PAEDOPHILE? There are men loving in England who marry kids in Pakistan in particular when the kids are preteen and surely that is repugnant to our princiuples and laws but yet I hear none of the liberals calling for us to allow that.... yet.

itsonlywords

Mike 1972 wrote: »

People wearing what they like = forcing change on you ?

Wedge ... thin edge....

prinz

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Could both of you try raising some new points in support of your position. Constantly rehashing old ones while failing to address any of the points raised in response becomes rather tedious reading after a while (especially when were going to have it all over again on the next Burqua thread Oh any munute now..........)

The irony. I tell you what when someone makes a point other than 'you're obviously just a prejudiced anti-Muslim bigot' I'll take you up on that.

Mike 1972

itsonlywords wrote: »

Wedge ... thin edge....

Couldnt the same be said about laws restricting what one can wear ?

itsonlywords wrote: »

Ok lets do it Mohammads way as the sickos in England do and maybe here at this stage. Mohammad married a 6 year old and had sex with her at 9. Whaaaaaaat? A PAEDOPHILE? There are men loving in England who marry kids in Pakistan in particular when the kids are preteen and surely that is repugnant to our princiuples and laws but yet I hear none of the liberals calling for us to allow that.... yet.

Very good.

Now try making some relevant points........

itsonlywords

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Couldnt the same be said about laws restricting what one can wear ?

No restrictions here for normal Irish people.You try and wear a balaclava and see how the police react and rightly so. Same laws apply to downtrodden women who are denigrated by their religion and husbands.

itsonlywords

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Couldnt the same be said about laws restricting what one can wear ?



Very good.

Now try making some relevant points........

How is that not relevant? Very important as that is their way and we will never accept THEIR ways. They must intigrate with us and not us with them. Simple.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

itsonlywords wrote: »

Why do you introduce the word "detest" into the converstaion? I noticed that from liberals , that they introduce certain emotianally charged words into their responses to try and take the conversataion their way.
.

One of those words being "liberals"...?

Mike 1972

itsonlywords wrote: »

normal Irish people.

?:rolleyes:

prinz

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

One of those words being "liberals"...?

Interesting how you don't seem particularly bothered with pulling other people up about throwing out names and similar words as above.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

itsonlywords wrote: »

How is that not relevant? Very important as that is their way and we will never accept THEIR ways. They must intigrate with us and not us with them. Simple.

Are we being forced to accept their ways?

twinQuins

itsonlywords wrote: »

Another stupid answer. Liberals are brilliant at defending these people who came to our countries in many cases without invitation and now that they are here please will they be mannerly enough to blend in with us.

One of the hallmarks of Western societies is freedom of expression; or should we adopt the Saudi Arabian approach and create our own Mutaween?

We dont wnat to blend with them or have our lifestyle changed

You're presenting a false dilemma. The third choice is to let them do what they like once they're not harming anyone.

Given their way we would all be going to mosques every Frioday. Religion has no place in our society.

People are, and should be, free to worship as they please.

We live nicely without those people trying to force change on us.

They're forcing us to change? That's news to me.

They like this style so much, let them go to their own countries and enjoy whatever freedom they have there.

Since you enjoy telling people what to do so much why don't you head off to North Korea?

bet given the choice they will stay here. Ok enjoy it here but blend in and accept us as we are.

See above about freedom of expression.

prinz

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Are we being forced to accept their
ways?

In a manner of speaking yes. If, as some posters on this thread have claimed, wearing a burka is a civil right/human right then if I refused to interact with someone wearing one I could land myself in hot water. Say I refused service to someone in a burka etc, I could be exposing myself to liability re a breach of their civil rights. Therfore depsite my objections the onus would be on me to accept the burka as a legitimate form of clothing.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

prinz wrote: »

Interesting how you don't seem particularly bothered with pulling other people up about throwing out names and similar words as above.

Haven't seen it happen somewhere else. (Mind you, haven't read all fourteen pages, so am not disagreeing with you). Using the word "Liberal" as an adjective to insult someone as if being liberal is bad, though, happens from time to time around here. It's funny when someone actually does it and then complains about the action in the same sentence.

Mike 1972

prinz wrote: »

then if I refused to interact with someone wearing one I could land myself in hot water..

The law doesnt force you to interact with anyone other than police officers and judges.

old_aussie

I hope banning the burka happens in Australia also.

I don't know how these women get a licence wearing the burka as it's supposed to be an official form of identification.

How do you know it's actually the real person taking the licence test?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

prinz wrote: »

In a manner of speaking yes. If, as some posters on this thread have claimed, wearing a burka is a civil right/human right then if I refused to interact with someone wearing one I could land myself in hot water. Say I refused service to someone in a burka etc, I could be exposing myself to liability re a breach of their civil rights. Therfore depsite my objections the onus would be on me to accept the burka as a legitimate form of clothing.

Lots of coulds and maybes in there but I see your point.

Personally, I have no problem with burkas and I think they should be allowed. BUT asking someone to remove said item of clothing when entering a shop or official building should be permitted in the same way that couriers have to remove their cycling helmets. If the burka-wearing has a problem with this they can shop elsewhere.

But as long as I'm not being forced to wear one, I don't see how it infringes me.

prinz

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Haven't seen it happen somewhere else. (Mind you, haven't read all fourteen pages, so am not disagreeing with you). Using the word "Liberal" as an adjective to insult someone as if being liberal is bad, though, happens from time to time around here.

The thread is littered with claims of prejudice, anti-Muslm bigotry etc. Of course no examples could be found, but it's a handy way of tarring someone with a label.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

It's funny when someone actually does it and then complains about the action in the same sentence.

True that :pac:

itsonlywords

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Are we being forced to accept their ways?

Look at our neighbours where Shaira law is intruduced into certain areas for those people. Limited at present but still the mould is broken. Christian kids being forced to learn about muslim ways. Strange but when Enoch Powell RIP warned of uncontrolled immigration to UK,he was critised and called racist.In my eyes he was a learned man who saw the future of Britain. How right he was and is.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

old_aussie wrote: »

I hope banning the burka happens in Australia also.

I don't know how these women get a licence wearing the burka as it's supposed to be an official form of identification.

How do you know it's actually the real person taking the licence test?

fingerprints?

prinz

Mike 1972 wrote: »

The law doesnt force you to interact with anyone other than police officers and judges.

The law doesn't protect you either. See cases in England re the gay couple and the B&B owner. I wouldn't be forced to interact with someone but if I do so based upon nothing other than someone else's basic civil right, I would be in the wrong.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Personally, I have no problem with burkas and I think they should be allowed. BUT asking someone to remove said item of clothing when entering a shop or official building should be permitted in the same way that couriers have to remove their cycling helmets. If the burka-wearing has a problem with this they can shop elsewhere.

As long as no shop keeper/business owner/house owner/ bus driver/ waiter etc could face any sanction for refusing to interact with a burka wearer I'd support that. Unfortunately if wearing a burka is seen as a civil right, I don't see how that is possible.

old hippy

itsonlywords wrote: »

We dont wnat to blend with them or have our lifestyle changed, Given their way we would all be going to mosques every Frioday.You will never change us.We will resist change that is detrimental to our culture at all costs.

I didn't know stormfront had a branch on boards.ie

But anyway, anyone proud of Ireland's culture would be horrified at your take on it.

People like you are the reason we left Ireland.

Nodin

itsonlywords wrote: »

Another stupid answer. Liberals are brilliant at defending these people who came to our countries in many cases without invitation and now that they are here please will they be mannerly enough to blend in with us.
.

"without invitation" eh? Not that you've pre-conceived notions or anything.

itsonlywords wrote: »

We dont wnat to blend with them or have our lifestyle changed,
.

...then don't. Or are women in Burkhas dragging you off the street and glueing a beard to you?

itsonlywords wrote: »

Given their way we would all be going to mosques every Frioday.
.

So all muslims want to force us to be muslims? Where did you learn that interesting nugget?

itsonlywords wrote: »

Religion has no place in our society.
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It's a matter of private concsience. Or are you saying we have to force people to think a certain way too?

itsonlywords wrote: »

Ok enjoy it here but blend in and accept us as we are.
.

I don't blend in. I generally don't give a fuck what anyone thinks. Why should I have a double standard for them?

itsonlywords wrote: »

You will never change us.We will resist change that is detrimental to our culture at all costs.

Those are brave words, O warrior of the lettered board. However as nobody is trying to change you, I fear your loins need not be girded.

itsonlywords

prinz wrote: »

In a manner of speaking yes. If, as some posters on this thread have claimed, wearing a burka is a civil right/human right then if I refused to interact with someone wearing one I could land myself in hot water. Say I refused service to someone in a burka etc, I could be exposing myself to liability re a breach of their civil rights. Therfore depsite my objections the onus would be on me to accept the burka as a legitimate form of clothing.

You are legally entitled to refuse service to any stupid person who wears a balaclava or those muslimm face masks. That is your right and you should exercise that right in Ireland .

old hippy

itsonlywords wrote: »

Christian kids being forced to learn about muslim ways.

Links please.

Mike 1972

prinz wrote: »

The law doesn't protect you either. See cases in England re the gay couple and the B&B owner.

Were they wearing Burqua's ?

itsonlywords wrote: »

Look at our neighbours where Shaira law is intruduced into certain areas for those people.

Saudi Arabia is not exactly our "neighbour"

prinz wrote: »

Strange but when Enoch Powell RIP warned ........

Not that youre racist or anything......:rolleyes:

itsonlywords

old hippy wrote: »

I didn't know stormfront had a branch on boards.ie

But anyway, anyone proud of Ireland's culture would be horrified at your take on it.

People like you are the reason we left Ireland.

You left Ireland? Well then you got your education paid for by me and my likes and then you clear off to use that in another country? Well,you do not have the right to comment as you deserted our country and opened up another place for some illegal immigrant who will sponge of our state.

prinz

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Were they wearing Burqua's ?

Nope, gay couple came to stay at B&B tried to book double room, B&B owner doesn't want gay couple staying, refuses to let room - was she legally entitled to refuse them, er no. Under the equality act she acted illegally in turning them away. So much for not being legally obliged to interact with anyone.

itsonlywords

old_aussie wrote: »

I hope banning the burka happens in Australia also.

I don't know how these women get a licence wearing the burka as it's supposed to be an official form of identification.

How do you know it's actually the real person taking the licence test?

They are not allowed usually to drive as that is allowing them freedom and the muslims do not usually allow their women any freedom.

Mike 1972

itsonlywords wrote: »

deserted our country and opened up another place for some illegal immigrante.

Not that youre spouting incoherent drivel or anything..............

old hippy

itsonlywords wrote: »

You left Ireland? Well then you got your education paid for by me and my likes and then you clear off to use that in another country? Well,you do not have the right to comment as you deserted our country and opened up another place for some illegal immigrant who will sponge of our state.

LOL. Gosh you're a desperate fellow. My wife's an immigrant & we left to live our lives away from small minded chumps like yourself.

"Deserted our country"

You're obviously one of those people who feel very hard done by - I feel pity for you.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

prinz wrote: »

The law doesn't protect you either. See cases in England re the gay couple and the B&B owner. I wouldn't be forced to interact with someone but if I do so based upon nothing other than someone else's basic civil right, I would be in the wrong.



As long as no shop keeper/business owner/house owner/ bus driver/ waiter etc could face any sanction for refusing to interact with a burka wearer I'd support that. Unfortunately if wearing a burka is seen as a civil right, I don't see how that is possible.

I think this would be between you and your employer. If I had staff refusing to serve ANY customers (emphasis on the word CUSTOMERS), be they weraing a burka, a union jack or a batman costume there'd be trouble. If they don't like it, I'll still write them a good reference and wish them luck in their job hunt.

itsonlywords wrote: »

You are legally entitled to refuse service to any stupid person who wears a balaclava or those muslimm face masks. That is your right and you should exercise that right in Ireland .

Am I wasting my time asking for a link? Espically one to an Irish Bill that contains the words "stupid person"?

prinz

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Saudi Arabia is not exactly our "neighbour"

You don't need to go to Saudi Arabia to find aspects of Sharia Law being implemented.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4749183.ece

UK is our neighbour no?

old hippy

itsonlywords wrote: »

They are not allowed usually to drive as that is allowing them freedom and the muslims do not usually allow their women any freedom.

Bull****. You've clearly never even met a Muslim, you sad individual.

itsonlywords

prinz wrote: »

The law doesn't protect you either. See cases in England re the gay couple and the B&B owner. I wouldn't be forced to interact with someone but if I do so based upon nothing other than someone else's basic civil right, I would be in the wrong.



As long as no shop keeper/business owner/house owner/ bus driver/ waiter etc could face any sanction for refusing to interact with a burka wearer I'd support that. Unfortunately if wearing a burka is seen as a civil right, I don't see how that is possible.

If I had a B&B and somebody with a burka tried to book in. I would apologise and say that I was overbooked and send them on their merry way.

Nodin

itsonlywords wrote: »

Christian kids being forced to learn about muslim ways. .

O SWEET JAYSUS!!!!! Next thing they'll tell them Protestants are people too....

itsonlywords wrote: »

Strange but when Enoch Powell RIP.

You're saying RIP for Enoch Powell, conservative and ulster unionist.......

twinQuins

old_aussie wrote: »

I hope banning the burka happens in Australia also.

I don't know how these women get a licence wearing the burka as it's supposed to be an official form of identification.

How do you know it's actually the real person taking the licence test?

Oh look, it's the guy who provokes Muslims with a view to beating them up. Let's all take his opinion on this subject seriously.

itsonlywords

old hippy wrote: »

Bull****. You've clearly never even met a Muslim, you sad individual.

Well Jim Bob it is because I did meet so many muslims that I can speak with authority. Lived amongst the people for a long time . Supplied services to muslims and Arabs who were in the main 99.99% muslims.

Mike 1972

prinz wrote: »

You don't need to go to Saudi Arabia to find aspects of Sharia Law being implemented.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4749183.ece

UK is our neighbour no?

If youre going to post links it might be a good idea to actually read the articles you link to

The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case

Not that this is in any way relevant to Burquas

itsonlywords wrote: »

Well Jim Bob it is because I did meet so many muslims that I can speak with authority. Lived amongst the people for a long time . Supplied services to muslims

Next thing youll be telling us that some of them were your best friends

Nodin

itsonlywords wrote: »

Well,you do not have the right to comment as you deserted our country and opened up another place for some illegal immigrant who will sponge of our state.

If everyone could dig like you, JCB and the like would be out of business.

prinz

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I think this would be between you and your employer. If I had staff refusing to serve ANY customers (emphasis on the word CUSTOMERS), be they weraing a burka, a union jack or a batman costume there'd be trouble. If they don't like it, I'll still write them a good reference and wish them luck in their job hunt.

So no one is forcing burkas on anyone, I'd just lose my job if I refused to deal with someone wearing one?

itsonlywords

Nodin wrote: »

O SWEET JAYSUS!!!!! Next thing they'll tell them Protestants are people too....



You're saying RIP for Enoch Powell, conservative and ulster unionist.......

Yes RIP over and over again. He was a good man. More stupidity in your Protestant reference again. Now you are trying to create problems. What did protestants do to you that you are trying to introduce them into the discussion? Strange man.