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Were RTE correct to hold off announcing death of Gerry Ryan

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  • #52
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    rovert wrote: »
    Helpful response there.

    Not sure what your problem with my answer is?

    I was asked the question here and I gave my response here.

    I'd have thought that your "Says who?" was a bit less useful a response as it was quite clearly me who said it.


  • #53
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    who cares, Gerry doesn't give a f****.


  • #54
    mrsdewinter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭mrsdewinter


    rovert wrote: »
    *facepalm*

    This has nothing or little to do with new vs old media in this instance. RTE would have broken the news sooner if they could contact his family sooner.

    Newstalk was able to relay the news. My point is, the next time somebody texts me with news about a person working for X media organisation, should I assume there will be nothing on X media organisation and switch to Y media organisation to find out what's actually happening?


  • #55
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Thoie wrote: »
    My example was in the BCC report linked to in my post.

    Here's another one.

    One report from 2003 and one from 2008, many deaths does RTE report on a year? There are bound to be hardly common practice for RTE is it? Of course mistakes in following their own codes of practice even by the law of averages. Your previous posts make it sound like RTE does it all the time

    P.S. Look at the judgement of the 2008.


  • #56
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    rovert wrote: »
    Stop trolling this section thx, youve been asked alre4ady.


    just report any posts you have a problem with rovert, thx.


  • #57
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    mrsdewinter wrote: »
    Newstalk was able to relay the news. My point is, the next time somebody texts me with news about a person working for X media organisation, should I assume there will be nothing on X media organisation and switch to Y media organisation to find out what's actually happening?

    Sure read that way:
    mrsdewinter wrote: »
    I thought it smacked of, 'We'll tell the plebs when we're good and ready...' I'd love to know what journos working within RTE think of it all. Are we living in a world now where the new media breaks news, and the old media wait a respectful few hours before announcing tired old facts as if they've got the exclusive. (Having said all that, I did not get to hear any of the RTE coverage, though I understand that as soon as Ryan's death was announced, the tributes were superb.)

    robinph wrote: »
    Not sure what your problem with my answer is?

    I was asked the question here and I gave my response here.

    I'd have thought that your "Says who?" was a bit less useful a response as it was quite clearly me who said it.

    You were talking in absolutes


  • #58
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    rovert wrote: »
    You were talking in absolutes

    I was posting on boards.ie and giving my opinion which is all that any of us are doing.


  • #59
    Spiritoftheseventies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Absolutely.Think they got it right in terms of tributes as well. Drivetime had a very nice slot on it on Friday.


  • #60
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    robinph wrote: »
    I was posting on boards.ie and giving my opinion which is all that any of us are doing.

    But it the context you were deeming certion acts as right and wrong. Which in my opinion are somewhat heavy judgements to make.


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  • #61
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    rovert wrote: »
    But it the context you were deeming certion acts as right and wrong. Which in my opinion are somewhat heavy judgements to make.

    if you deem his post on them being wrong as wrong, then you are deeming them right, you know? all anyone can offer is their opinion rovert, including you - you can agree, disagree or ignore, but please don't badger people.


  • #62
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    rovert wrote: »
    But it the context you were deeming certion acts as right and wrong. Which in my opinion are somewhat heavy judgements to make.

    The initial post asked for peoples opinions on a matter, people gave them. I'm failing to see your problem.

    My response to the OP's question was both a yes and a no, so I never actually gave the absolute answer your trying to claim I did.


  • #63
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    tbh wrote: »
    if you deem his post on them being wrong as wrong, then you are deeming them right, you know? all anyone can offer is their opinion rovert, including you - you can agree, disagree or ignore, but please don't badger people.

    I guess you missed the in my opinion part of my post...

    All anyone can offer is their opinion is extactly my point if you didnt get it.

    Are we really talking about this, seriously?


  • #64
    eth0_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    mrsdewinter wrote: »
    Newstalk was able to relay the news. My point is, the next time somebody texts me with news about a person working for X media organisation, should I assume there will be nothing on X media organisation and switch to Y media organisation to find out what's actually happening?

    Just because Newstalk broke the news before it was officially confirmed doesn't mean they were right to do so!

    Newstalk are no stranger to BCC judgements and i'm sure if a member of Gerry's family complained to them then their complaint would be upheld but tbh I imagine that's the last thing on their minds right now...


  • #65
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,592 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    Thoie wrote: »
    My example was in the BCC report linked to in my post.

    Here's another one.

    :confused: That example is a complaint that RTÉ reported a family weren't informed of a death when they had been. The death itself had occured years earlier. It's nothing to do with the announcement of someones name soon after death.

    Your first example showed RTÉ leaving even more time after other broadcasters had announced a mans name than they did in Gerry Ryans case.


  • #66
    Qheratatie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭Qheratatie


    Without question!!! The family asked them to hold off saying anything. If they hadn't it would have been a disgrace!! sometimes being a decent human being is more important than "Breaking the story" This question isn't even debatable in I.M.O!!

    Woo, getting bit hot under the collar!! Time for my beauty nap methinks :eek:


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  • #67
    Qheratatie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭Qheratatie


    Barname wrote: »
    I think its an example of how 'old' media RTE are.

    I think it's an example that RTE are not gutter press.


  • #68
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Qheratatie wrote: »
    I think it's an example that RTE are not gutter press.

    Barname seemingly wont accept that.


  • #69
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    rovert wrote: »
    Barname seemingly wont accept that.

    Rovert - final warning. Contribute to the topics, report any posts you have a problem with, and leave other posters to us. thanks.


  • #70
    Slideshowbob
    Registered Users Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Slideshowbob


    More opinion on this matter in relation to the spread of the news via Twitter:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/ontherecord/2010/05/04/to-tweet-or-not-to-tweet/


  • #71
    angelfire9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭angelfire9


    I believe that RTE were 100% correct in what they did and how they handled the story of Gerry's passing
    It is my understanding that they were asked by the Ryan family not to make an official annoucement until certain family members had been contacted
    It is unfortunate that the rest of the media didn't have the restraint & respect for the family of such a broadcasting legend to keep their mouths shut until the Ryans were ready for the annoucement to be made.

    A number of years ago a distant relative of mine who was a serving member of the Gardai was involved in a fatal car crash in the middle of the night and this being before the time of Instant messaging/twitter etc and even before mobiles were prevalent the main way that people in the country learned of such events was through RTE
    I can CLEARLY RECALLL the knock on the door from the local Gardai informing my parents at 6am because RTE wanted to broadcast the news and identify the injured on their 7am bulletin but wouldn't do so until whatever the then equivalent of the Garda Press Office had confirmed that the entire family were aware of the situation
    This was then and is still now responsible journalism and I cannot understand why RTE is being criticised for acting with decency and respect to the family of Gerry Ryan under these circumstances


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  • #72
    Real FM
    Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭Real FM


    angelfire9 wrote: »
    I believe that RTE were 100% correct in what they did and how they handled the story of Gerry's passing
    It is my understanding that they were asked by the Ryan family not to make an official annoucement until certain family members had been contacted
    It is unfortunate that the rest of the media didn't have the restraint & respect for the family of such a broadcasting legend to keep their mouths shut until the Ryans were ready for the annoucement to be made.

    A number of years ago a distant relative of mine who was a serving member of the Gardai was involved in a fatal car crash in the middle of the night and this being before the time of Instant messaging/twitter etc and even before mobiles were prevalent the main way that people in the country learned of such events was through RTE
    I can CLEARLY RECALLL the knock on the door from the local Gardai informing my parents at 6am because RTE wanted to broadcast the news and identify the injured on their 7am bulletin but wouldn't do so until whatever the then equivalent of the Garda Press Office had confirmed that the entire family were aware of the situation
    This was then and is still now responsible journalism and I cannot understand why RTE is being criticised for acting with decency and respect to the family of Gerry Ryan under these circumstances

    I love the way Una Mulally did a big piece about how people were breaking the news on Twitter and some how or another completely forgot to mention that she was part of the group. A perfect example of irresponsible journalism.


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