Derren Brown Investigates

maccored

but .. but he isnt meant to ... its only fun and entertainment for those with no interest in the paranormal ... apparently. [sarcasim alert btw]

MrStuffins

maccored wrote: »

if its all orbs, misty 'ghosts', frank boxes and ouiji boards then Im giving up on derren altogether.

hahahaha, that's a joke!

Because you already know this stuff? You seem to be unable to comprehend that the show might not be aimed directly at you. There are many people who don't know much about this stuff. People who have never seen Most Haunted and rubbish of the like!

I bet when he gives perfectly good explanations for the phenomena that the people say are "paranormal" you will be back here complaining again!

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

hahahaha, that's a joke!

Because you already know this stuff? You seem to be unable to comprehend that the show might not be aimed directly at you. There are many people who don't know much about this stuff. People who have never seen Most Haunted and rubbish of the like!

I bet when he gives perfectly good explanations for the phenomena that the people say are "paranormal" you will be back here complaining again!

Well if you dont know this stuff and you have an interest why dont you read up about it , rather then getting a watered down version of it from a guy selling a TV show .

Derren Brown falls in the same category of most haunted. A TV show selling ratings .

maccored

MrStuffins wrote: »

hahahaha, that's a joke!

Because you already know this stuff? You seem to be unable to comprehend that the show might not be aimed directly at you. There are many people who don't know much about this stuff. People who have never seen Most Haunted and rubbish of the like!

I bet when he gives perfectly good explanations for the phenomena that the people say are "paranormal" you will be back here complaining again!

serioously give it a rest. if you cant manage the debating, dont resort to berating. Lots of words Mr Stuffins, but not much said.

MrStuffins

maccored wrote: »

serioously give it a rest. if you cant manage the debating, dont resort to berating. Lots of words Mr Stuffins, but not much said.

I can debate, but i can debate with points!

Your point always seems to be "well i knew this stuff already"

Then don't watch!

Deleted User wrote: »

Well if you dont know this stuff and you have an interest why dont you read up about it , rather then getting a watered down version of it from a guy selling a TV show .

Derren Brown falls in the same category of most haunted. A TV show selling ratings .

If you're interested don't watch a tv show but read up on it? So your problem is with television in general and not this particular show?

Everything that is known about everything must be written somewhere, it doesn't make the documentaries on Nat Geo, History, Discovery etc any less interesting just because i decided to watch the doc and not read the book.

Also, people's interests often get sparked by seeing such tv shows and reading soon follows. You have to start somewhere.

KeithAFC

LeotCol wrote: »

I don't understand you people saying things like "oh he went after easy pickings". That Derren went after a medium that was clearly fake from the start.

The point of it is to show people who are believers that what they're doing is fake and wrong. And its obvious that a lot of people out there who are vulnerable are willing to believe.

If you already don't believe in mediums then what more do you want. The reason that mediums get popular is because there is no way to definitively show that a person isn't psychic without doing scientific tests.

As showed he declined to do the test, he couldn't read some people. The reading that he did do was shown to be possible with cold reading. I think that is more than enough evidence to prove that he wasn't a psychic.

Also, you say he should have done it with a higher profile medium? The reason they used him is because the higher profile people weren't stupid enough to let Derren show them as fakes.

They all clearly use the same techniques and its all bull****.

I said what i said because he was awful and didn't really bring enough to the table.

Tonights episode will probably be the most interesting one and possibly the only one which is able to defend itself against derren a bit better than the other two.

The medium was awful, i don't believe or believe in mediums, im on the fence and i know that he could of found a better 'medium' than Joe Power.

KeithAFC

MrStuffins wrote: »

hahahaha, that's a joke!

Because you already know this stuff? You seem to be unable to comprehend that the show might not be aimed directly at you. There are many people who don't know much about this stuff. People who have never seen Most Haunted and rubbish of the like!

I bet when he gives perfectly good explanations for the phenomena that the people say are "paranormal" you will be back here complaining again!

MH is actually a good show lol. I enjoy it anyway. Regardless if it isn't perhaps the best way of doing an investigation :cool:

There is nothing wrong with look at apparation evidence, EVP evidence, Poltergeist evidence and so on. There is nothing wrong with that. If this guy can show some of it, then it will be a good show with interesting discussion.

MrStuffins

KeithAFC wrote: »

MH is actually a good show lol. I enjoy it anyway. Regardless if it isn't perhaps the best way of doing an investigation :cool:

There is nothing wrong with look at apparation evidence, EVP evidence, Poltergeist evidence and so on. There is nothing wrong with that. If this guy can show some of it, then it will be a good show with interesting discussion.

The dig at MH wasnt the point though, the point was that there are people who haven't seen shows like MH so don't know anything about Orbs etc.

There are a lot of people who don't know a lot on the subject.

SkepticOne

KeithAFC wrote: »

Tonights episode will probably be the most interesting one and possibly the only one which is able to defend itself against derren a bit better than the other two.

He seems to have been a well respected figure in the US ghost believing community judging by online comments. It will be interesting to see how the show progresses.

KeithAFC

Well it was interesting, i think he let his belief in it too much override his actual investigations and there isn't too much wrong with the way he did investigate, he just let his belief interfere too much.

Sad to hear he passed on.

Derren brown done a fantastic job with this series. Take a bow.

Busi_Girl08

Lou did come across as a guy who genuinely believed, and wanted to help people.

I was glad to hear that he didn't charge people for his "services". He was also much less defensive than the other 2; passionate, but not defensive or aggressive.
Sad to hear that he died so young

There were some really funny moments though, and some great quotes, particularly the priest.
Priest - "Are there any other rooms up here?"
Judy - "Just the bathroom"
Priest - "OK, we're going to go and bless the bathroom"

Priest - "I'll have to go down the stairs sideways because of my club-foot"

Derren - "You be Joey, I'll be Chandler"

Brilliant show, and brilliant series, albeit too short for my liking, looking forward to hearing more from Mr. Brown (and see more of those fantastic shirts of his :P)

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Nothing on that show was "new" really, it's stuff that we already know about.

These EVP "voices" are nothing but the inner workings of the unit recording the silence, static interference.

The human brain is hardwired to find faces in random shapes.

People do have fits that can appear to be possessions.

Now, I'll be up front and say that I don't "believe" in any of this stuff, I think there are physical proofs for every phenomenon presented in that show, and many other phenomena that claim to be paranormal or psychic etc.

I'm not a skeptic, I just don't believe. I don't believe anyone can ever prove to me the existence of ghosts, the undead, voices from the other side, as there is always a rational explaination as far as I'm concerned.

I was sad to see that the fella died though.

I believe that if a person is open to believing in this kind of thing, then they will interpret random sounds and patterns as something which they want to believe in, it doesn't make them real though.

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

I can debate, but i can debate with points!

Your point always seems to be "well i knew this stuff already"

Then don't watch!

If you're interested don't watch a tv show but read up on it? So your problem is with television in general and not this particular show?

Everything that is known about everything must be written somewhere, it doesn't make the documentaries on Nat Geo, History, Discovery etc any less interesting just because i decided to watch the doc and not read the book.





I actually didnt get to catch the show last night , i will try watch it later .

Also, people's interests often get sparked by seeing such tv shows and reading soon follows. You have to start somewhere.

My problem is not with Television, i work in Television , i also work with documentary's . What is put on TV is not a real representation of what actually happens and what is filmed. Advice is , if you have an interest in it dont go by what you see on TV as you will get a strongly watered down version of what is happening.

fryup

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Lou did come across as a guy who genuinely believed, and wanted to help people.

I was glad to hear that he didn't charge people for his "services". He was also much less defensive than the other 2; passionate, but not defensive or aggressive.

Well Lou did get a touch narky after they went to see the sound specialist, swearing to the camera which didn't show him in a good light i think.

What Derrren was looking for was concrete evidence, but what he got could be explained in a rational way...images in the photos-tricks of the mind, evp-electric static, the fits-epilepsy..and demons in the rooms-sleep paralysis (something which happens to me from time to time).

Anyway i was sorry to hear of his passing, I wonder is his spirit willing to come forward now that he is on the other side.

Busi_Girl08

fryup wrote: »

Well Lou did get a touch narky after they went to see the sound specialist, swearing to the camera which didn't show him in a good light i think.

I know, but even then, he seemed like a guy with good intentions, and *wanted* to believe in the paranormal.

He never deluded himself into thinking he had special powers or anything, unlike the other 2 twats (Joe and Bronnikov). He was just trying to find answers, and yeah, he probably was annoyed about the electric static and fit explanations, but this was nearly 30 years of work, investigations, etc.

Confirmation bias and a blinkered belief system made this guy lash out a little, not worry about his bank account, book sales and PR image.

Derren could see that aswell and that's why he didn't come down so hard on him as he did the other two.

SkepticOne

One of the things highlighted on the programme was sleep paralysis. Gentile himself seems to have got started after such an episode. His wife as well as one of the people he investigated also appeared to suffer from it. All talked about waking up and either having the feeling of being pinned down by something or being aware of a presence in the room. It is a common experience and can seem very real. I think you've got to be suspicious of things experienced when emerging from sleep.

One remark Brown made which I thought was interesting is that with the sorts of people featured in the programme, they tend to divide people up into genuine and frauds. A medium, for example, either has genuine ability to contact the dead or else they are a con artist. The third possibility, that they might just be fooling themselves, is discounted.

I am still to watch the show , but does he investigate sleep paralysis at all ?
Or does he just use the phrase to generalize the sleeping disorder if thats what it is.

SkepticOne

Deleted User wrote: »

I am still to watch the show , but does he investigate sleep paralysis at all ?
Or does he just use the phrase to generalize the sleeping disorder if thats what it is.

Sleep paralysis was offered as a possible alternative explanation to ghosts/demons etc. in the specific instances mentioned.

Sir Gallagher

I must admit to having a little chuckle when Gentile said something along the lines of "I'm a nut.." and the sound recording specialist responded "I wouldn't argue with you on that", it seemed a bit rude but the sound recording guy obviously has no time whatsoever for bullsh1t.

It was sad to see at the end that Gentile had died subsequently, hopefully his family don't see the program as it didn't show him in a great light towards the end.

Benny Lava

"That's a night-hag"....HAHAHA!!!!

The demonologist (PHD maybe???) got very angry when no one agreed with him and started using the F word in every sentence, sounding like quite the idiot.

Great show!

MrStuffins

The best show of all 3 IMO because it was obvious the guy was not trying to fool people into giving up their money to him (not like the 1st two).

His "evidence" purely didn't exist. I was hoping to see or hear something intriguing but the "face" in the photo was a joke, his static sounds were ridiculous and the guy having a fit..... well, was having a fit!



It was very unfortunate to hear he passed away. He seemed young and very healthy in the video. It was filmed in early Nov (as the first time we meet him it's Halloween) so he must've been hit hard by whatever it was killed him.

SkepticOne

MrStuffins wrote: »

His "evidence" purely didn't exist. I was hoping to see or hear something intriguing but the "face" in the photo was a joke, his static sounds were ridiculous and the guy having a fit..... well, was having a fit!

Yet he was utterly convinced of it and that others would be too. That I think was the interesting aspect of the programme. Like when Lou showed the picture of the misty graveyard at night and was convinced that the shape that looked a bit like a face was proof that there's life after death.

Busi_Girl08

MrStuffins wrote: »

It was very unfortunate to hear he passed away. He seemed young and very healthy in the video. It was filmed in early Nov (as the first time we meet him it's Halloween) so he must've been hit hard by whatever it was killed him.

It was filmed in November 2008, and he died in June 2009.

fryup

^^^^^^^^^^^

does anyone know what he died of ?? tried googling it but nothing

Busi_Girl08

It looks like it was cancer.

silliegillie

Im Raging I missed these shows, Derren Brown is a genius and really exposes the truth about all this Paranormal BS. Would you believe that I have argued with people who believe that Derren Brown is psychic and him saying that people are charlatans is all an act. Keep up the Good work Derren. Also just to note, recently as I was drifting to sleep some one was pulling my Sheets down off the bed, I was really tired and was in the process of drifting in and out of sleep. As I am a rational type of person I know that there was no one there and am fully aware that as I was drifting in and out of sleep it was my mind working over time. Never the less for an instant it seemed real. Just pointing out that if some one else experienced this they would be convinced that it really happened and there was indeed a strange presence in the room with them. are these shows online ? Gona check out 4s website

maccored

silliegillie wrote: »

really exposes the truth about all this Paranormal BS.

see, this is the problem I have with these three shows. He exposed feck all except some mediums can be dodgy, mind readers could well be fake and that some people believe in demons and think bits of smoke are ghosts. I had to grit my teeth and watch all of the last show as it was just so predictable. Im sure anyone here on this forum could have researched and presented those shows with the same results.

Entertaining TV but did it investigate the paranormal in any way? Not at all. its to paranormal research what american idol is to music.

silliegillie

[/QUOTE]Entertaining TV but did it investigate the paranormal in any way? [/QUOTE]

IMO No need to investigate what Does not exist.

maccored wrote: »

see, this is the problem I have with these three shows. He exposed feck all except some mediums can be dodgy, mind readers could well be fake and that some people believe in demons and think bits of smoke are ghosts. I had to grit my teeth and watch all of the last show as it was just so predictable. Im sure anyone here on this forum could have researched and presented those shows with the same results..

Derren Does not investigate the Paranormal, he investigates the people who claim to be working in these fields and gives reasonable explanations on how to do these with out some psychic ability. So what is your point ?The name of the show is "Investigate The Ghosthunter" not investigate the Ghost. Each "Investigate" show I would assume investigates the people not the actual phenomenon
I believe we agree on these points, I took it that the shows where not investigating the paranormal but the Dodgy people involved in it.As I didnt see those shows I cant talk about them in particular (stated in fist line of my earlier post) but I have seen most of Derrens work. I particularly refer to his show Messiah, where he encounters Christian evangelism, alien abduction, psychic powers, New Age theories and contacting the dead. He is able to mimic everything perfectly but without the use of special powers just with Observation

The evidence needs to come from those who do believe in this stuff and any of the evidence that has been shown to date has been re buffed as a hoax. . Nothing any one will ever say will convince me of Ghosts, Mediums, Mind reading ect....Its all BS. Another of my own analogies, I was 13 years old and was walking at night time in a dark field out the country side. I looked up to the right hand corner and hovering there was the banshee. I froze still and couldn't talk. Eventually I could hear a car and realised that the Banshee was in fact the headlights of the car. If I had of legged it when I initially saw the "banshee" and never noticed the car I could be telling people about my Ghost but luckily I saw the truth.

maccored

it must be Sweeping Statement day or something.

Derren Does not investigate the Paranormal, he investigates the people who claim to be working in these fields and gives reasonable explanations on how to do these with out some psychic ability. So what is your point ?

ah right - so he doesnt claim he's checking out the paranormal - he says he's checking up on dodgy psychics then does he? Afraid not. Its advertised as investigating the paranormal. theres more to it that mediums - which has been said a zillion times on this form and in this thread and to be quite frank, something Im sick to the teeth mentioning to the paranormally cynical newbies.

Really people - its a bit of light entertainment. It neither proves nor disproves anything so down off them there high horses.

silliegillie

maccored wrote: »

ah right - so he doesnt claim he's checking out the paranormal - he says he's checking up on dodgy psychics then does he? .

Actually He does, He often refers to that some people may have these abilities but he hasn't found them yet.