2010 Dublin Marathon Novices/Sub-4:30 Mentored Thread

nachoqueen · 06-09-2010 12:44pm

nachoqueen and tables /formatting dont go ! can some nice person enter me in those nice tables for a 1.58 half and a 3.59 marathon?, from running with digger jemily and jcs mom i think you all should be coming in the same time ish , but no pressure!!!:D

JEmily · 06-09-2010 12:46pm

Half Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|1.50|1:48|
JEmily|2.00|1.58|
|||
|||
|||
|||

Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|4.00|3:55|
JEmily|4.30|4.05|
|||
|||
|||
|||

Mr Slow · 06-09-2010 12:46pm

Half Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|1.50|1:48|
MrSlow|2.00|1.55|
|||
|||
|||
|||

Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|4.00|3:55|
MrSlow|4.00|3.59|
|||
|||
|||
|||

Sorry we missed you on Sat Ray

RayCun · 06-09-2010 12:46pm

I have my last 20 mile run on the 2nd of October, and I suppose it's all tapering from there.
The next week is 5, 4, 5, and 14
Then 4, 3, 4, and 8
Finally 3, 2, 2 and 2 the day before the marathon

I hadn't noticed that 5, 4, 5 before... I really am going to go crazy next month!

Mr Slow · 06-09-2010 12:47pm

Half Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|1.50|1:48|
JEmily|2.00|1.58|
MrSlow|2.00|1.55|
|||
|||
|||

Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|4.00|3:55|
JEmily|4.00|3.59|
MrSlow|4.00|3.59|
|||
|||
|||

RayCun · 06-09-2010 12:49pm

Half Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|1.50|1:48|
JEmily|2.00|1.58|
MrSlow|2.00|1.55|
NachoQueen|2.00|1.58|
|||
|||

Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|4.00|3:55|
JEmily|4.30|4.05|
MrSlow|4.00|3.59|
NachoQueen|4.00|3.59|
|||
|||

JEmily · 06-09-2010 12:55pm

Half Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|1.50|1:48|
JEmily|2.00|1.55|
MrSlow|2.00|1.55|
NachoQueen|2.00|1.58|
|||
|||

Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|4.00|3:55|
JEmily|4.00|3.59|
MrSlow|4.00|3.59|
NachoQueen|4.00|3.59|
|||
|||

*Edited to say - it would make alot more sense for me to buy my own garmin than to have to reduce my times to mrslows. How mean of him:mad:

Mr Slow · 06-09-2010 12:57pm

JEmily wrote: »

Half Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|1.50|1:48|
JEmily|2.00|1.55|
MrSlow|2.00|1.55|
NachoQueen|2.00|1.58|
|||
|||

Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|4.00|3:55|
JEmily|4.00|3.59|
MrSlow|4.00|3.59|
NachoQueen|4.00|3.59|
|||
|||

*Edited to say - it would make alot more sense for me to buy my own garmin than to have to reduce my times to mrslows. How mean of him:mad:

You'll be shouting back at me over your shoulder to guestimate what your pace is;)

JEmily · 06-09-2010 1:01pm

mrslow wrote: »

You'll be shouting back at me over your shoulder to guestimate what your pace is;)

Ha, ha, i don't think so...:D:D:D Wait until Laura works her magic later again...

jcsmum · 06-09-2010 1:03pm

JEmily wrote: »

Half Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|1.50|1:48|
JEmily|2.00|1.55|
MrSlow|2.00|1.55|
NachoQueen|2.00|1.58|
jcsmum|2.00|1.59|
|||

Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|4.00|3:55|
JEmily|4.00|3.59|
MrSlow|4.00|3.59|
NachoQueen|4.00|3.59|
jcsmum|4.30|4.20|
|||

Fingers crossed for those times above

Mr Slow · 06-09-2010 1:07pm

JEmily wrote: »

Ha, ha, i don't think so...:D:D:D Wait until Laura works her magic later again...

If I was a masochist I'd be really looking forward to tonight:eek:

Mr Slow · 06-09-2010 1:09pm

Towards the end of this there'll be loads of love and thanks for Rainbow Kirby so I just wanted to jump in early and say Thank You. My offer stands that if I can walk from the finish line to the pub your first drink is on me!

meathcountysec · 06-09-2010 1:28pm

Half Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|1.50|1:48|
JEmily|2.00|1.55|
MrSlow|2.00|1.55|
NachoQueen|2.00|1.58|
|||
|||

Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|4.00|3:55|
JEmily|4.00|3.59|
MrSlow|4.00|3.59|
NachoQueen|4.00|3.59|
|||
Meathcountysec|None

|5:00ish|

littlebug · 06-09-2010 1:36pm

Half Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|1.50|1:48|
JEmily|2.00|1.55|
MrSlow|2.00|1.55|
NachoQueen|2.00|1.58|
|||
|||

Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|4.00|3:55|
JEmily|4.00|3.59|
MrSlow|4.00|3.59|
NachoQueen|4.00|3.59|
|||
Meathcountysec|None

|5:00ish|
littlebug|None |4:40ish|

jcsmum · 06-09-2010 2:19pm

littlebug wrote: »

Half Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|1.50|1:48|
JEmily|2.00|1.55|
MrSlow|2.00|1.55|
NachoQueen|2.00|1.58|
jcsmum|2.00|1.59|
|||

Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|4.00|3:55|
JEmily|4.00|3.59|
MrSlow|4.00|3.59|
NachoQueen|4.00|3.59|
jcsmum|4.30|4.20|
|||
Meathcountysec|None |5:00ish|
littlebug|None |4:40ish|

I was knocked off the table, my times weren't that bad surely?

RayCun · 06-09-2010 2:22pm

Half Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|1.50|1:48|
JEmily|2.00|1.55|
MrSlow|2.00|1.55|
NachoQueen|2.00|1.58|
jcsmum|2.00|1.59|
|||

Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|4.00|3:55|
JEmily|4.00|3.59|
MrSlow|4.00|3.59|
NachoQueen|4.00|3.59|
jcsmum|4.30|4.20|
Meathcountysec|None

littlebug · 06-09-2010 2:26pm

jcsmum wrote: »

I was knocked off the table, my times weren't that bad surely?

Oops sorry! but it was meathcountysec wot dunnit (points finger at mcs).

meathcountysec · 06-09-2010 2:41pm

littlebug wrote: »

Oops sorry! but it was meathcountysec wot dunnit (points finger at mcs).

Oooooh You are awfull :mad: But I like you

You can't quote a quote so don't blame me, blame the inefficiencies of html :pac::pac::pac:

Stomps off in disgust.... bloody websites, mutter mutter, spend your day reading/posting and that's the thanks you get mutter mutter...

marrona · 06-09-2010 3:43pm

meathcountysec wrote: »

Half Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|1.50|1:48|
JEmily|2.00|1.55|
MrSlow|2.00|1.55|
NachoQueen|2.00|1.58|
|||
|||

Marathon

Name|PaceGroup|Target|Actual
RayCun|4.00|3:55|
JEmily|4.00|3.59|
MrSlow|4.00|3.59|
NachoQueen|4.00|3.59|
|||
Meathcountysec|None |5:00ish|

MCS - do you want to head up the 5 hour pace group?

RacoonQueen · 06-09-2010 4:22pm

rainbow kirby wrote: »

As long as it's nothing much more than that really then it's fine. It may help to settle your nerves.

That said, I spent the day before DCM last year on my couch watching Man U lose to Liverpool. That probably wasn't the best thing to do to relax... :mad:

That's what I did too. Gave me a good laugh! :pac:

menoscemo · 06-09-2010 4:42pm

I see a lot of you are following the 2hr pace group for the half. Myself and Racoon Queen (above) will be the official pacers for that group, we will be wearing pacers uniform and carring 2hr Ballons. make sure to come up and say hello on the day (some of you will know me from the LSR in the park the other week).

Also we will be going to Ryans in Park Gate Street with loads of boardsies for a few drinks afterwards, if you all want to join!!

meathcountysec · 06-09-2010 4:43pm

marrona wrote: »

MCS - do you want to head up the 5 hour pace group?

Is the criteria for pacing that you can do it comfortably? In that case break out the sedan chair for me

:D

dowlinj · 06-09-2010 6:47pm

Hey Guys,

Great thread! I'm currently training for my first DCM and I'm following Hal Higdon's Novice 2 programme which has been going well to date. I have a couple of issues which you may be able to help with:

(1) I did a 19 mile LSR on Saturday morning (was meant to be 18) and 17 miles the week before as per the programme. However, I'm signed up for the Dublin Half in 2 weeks which coincides with what should be a 19 mile LSR. Thinking of doing that 19 miler this weekend instead of the 12 on the plan. What are peoples thoughts on 3 long LSRs on 3 consecutive weekends like this? The week after the half I'll be on hols so don't think I'll be able to do the 19 then. Any LSR there will be a bonus!

So am thinking of adjusting to:

11/9 - 19 Miles
18/9 - Half
25/9ish - 12 Miles
2/9 - 20 Miles
Taper time!

Does this look ok?

(2) Also, I can't figure out what my marathon pace should be. I initially just wanted to finish within a reasonable time (preferably 4:30 or under) but I'm reevaluating given that my training has gone better than expected. Under regular race conditions it's normal to expect that one can manage a better time than they've managed in training, but given the fact that I'll have never run more than 20 miles I'm not sure if this rule will apply on Oct 25th.

My LSR pace has been at around 5:25km pace which would translate to a 3:48 marathon. Is it reasonable to aim for this time or should I be going after a faster time (given the race conditions) or slower (given the fact that I've never run this distance). The whole unknown of the last 6.2 miles has left me guessing somewhat. I also promised myself that I wouldn't obsess about the time, but I can't ignore the issue anymore.

Agent J · 06-09-2010 7:13pm

Actually given the day thats in it..

What is the best gear to have if it rains on the day?

RayCun · 06-09-2010 7:14pm

If it was me, I'd do a shorter LSR this weekend, so I could race the half-marathon, and use it to judge my marathon pace. If you run with the 1.50 pace group you'll have a better idea whether you're capable of sub4 or not. (If you find it really easy you could even consider going for 3.45.)
At this stage, I reckon finding the pace to run at is more important than checking off a 19 mile LSR, especially since you've done one already.

rainbow kirby · 06-09-2010 7:18pm

In answer to (1) I would have a slight concern in terms of doing 3 hard LSRs on 3 consecutive weeks. You've done 19 already, maybe consider doing 15-17 this week and follow the rest as you've stated? You're going to get the 20 in anyway later on. That said - see how things go this week, and on your LSR listen hard to what your body is saying. If it's feeling the strain I'd call it at 15, if you're feeling good go to 17.

And for (2), I think 4 hours would be a good base target, with 3:45-3:50 as your "inner child" goal. How do you feel running at 5.25/km pace? How have you felt at the end of your LSRs at this pace?

Don't worry about not having run more than 20 miles at once. Your training has prepared you well for the last 6.2 miles whether you believe it or not. Trust your plan, keep the head up and enjoy it.

RayCun · 06-09-2010 7:18pm

Agent J wrote: »

What is the best gear to have if it rains on the day?

Have you managed to avoid running in the rain yet?!
I wore my normal gear on Saturday, will do it again on the day. If its raining, I'll bring a black bag, hat, maybe even old runners and socks to wear while waiting for the start.

rainbow kirby · 06-09-2010 7:19pm

Agent J wrote: »

What is the best gear to have if it rains on the day?

Unless it's really cold, just wear your normal gear. Bring a binbag for the start that you can rip off once you get going, just to stop the rain from soaking you while you wait to start, also bring a cheap Penneys hat and gloves that you can dump along the way.

James Howlett · 06-09-2010 7:21pm

Name|Sessions Completed|Total Miles This Week|Total Mileage To Date|Comments
William72|4|32.2|177.6||
The Wexican|||173.5||
rofno1|4|21|203|Lazy LSR aborted due to the heavy rain on Saturday morning|
boccy23|5|40|232||
brophya2007|||223.3||
beamgirl|||153||
michellemuncher|||154||
RayCun|4|40|327.8|I'm claiming that as a 21.7 mile LSR yesterday, to get a nice round number for the week. Probably within a mile either side anyway|
littlebug|4|32|272.2|found the last few miles of 16m lsr tough going but got there|
meathcountysec|5|40.90|421.46|19.44 miles LSR. This thing might actually happen|
DigiJem|1|4|236|No running for most of this week, surprised myself at how much I missed it|
D Chief|||191.8||
digger2d2|4|38|309|Ahhh...20 mile LSR done, feel a bit worn out today|
Curl52|||361||
ilovetorun |||267||
James Howlett|4|45|283|20mile LSR wasn't the worst in the world and I managed to miss the rain yesterday|
RallyRunner|||209||
corked|||213.5| |
Cr17|||||
Milosh|4|34|269|Delighted with my 17 mile LSR in just over 2:32. I felt I could have gone on but decided against it. I'm sore today though|
RubyK|4|34.85|332.65|LSR of 17.6 miles. Struggled at mile 11 but felt good for the last couple of miles.|
The_Dazzler|||||
JEmily|5|35|151|Delighted with 19m LSR, still stiff today|
Mrslow|4|32.9|154.55|Tough LSR of 16.9 but only because of IT Band|
marrona|||264.17||
Agent J|||139||
mprop|||||
nachoqueen|||||
Lad GAGA|3|30|c359|Missed one session due to work commitments but delighted to do the 19 mile LSR yesterday|
tivvo|||||
BrokenMan|5|48.2|409.7|Very happy to get in the 20 miler today. tired though|

RallyRunner · 06-09-2010 8:05pm

Name|Sessions Completed|Total Miles This Week|Total Mileage To Date|Comments
William72|4|32.2|177.6||
The Wexican|||173.5||
rofno1|4|21|203|Lazy LSR aborted due to the heavy rain on Saturday morning|
boccy23|5|40|232||
brophya2007|||223.3||
beamgirl|||153||
michellemuncher|||154||
RayCun|4|40|327.8|I'm claiming that as a 21.7 mile LSR yesterday, to get a nice round number for the week. Probably within a mile either side anyway|
littlebug|4|32|272.2|found the last few miles of 16m lsr tough going but got there|
meathcountysec|5|40.90|421.46|19.44 miles LSR. This thing might actually happen|
DigiJem|1|4|236|No running for most of this week, surprised myself at how much I missed it|
D Chief|||191.8||
digger2d2|4|38|309|Ahhh...20 mile LSR done, feel a bit worn out today|
Curl52|||361||
ilovetorun |||267||
James Howlett|4|45|283|20mile LSR wasn't the worst in the world and I managed to miss the rain yesterday|
RallyRunner|4|32.5|241.5|Found the end of the LSR very tough. Felt like I was running on empty|
corked|||213.5| |
Cr17|||||
Milosh|4|34|269|Delighted with my 17 mile LSR in just over 2:32. I felt I could have gone on but decided against it. I'm sore today though|
RubyK|4|34.85|332.65|LSR of 17.6 miles. Struggled at mile 11 but felt good for the last couple of miles.|
The_Dazzler|||||
JEmily|5|35|151|Delighted with 19m LSR, still stiff today|
Mrslow|4|32.9|154.55|Tough LSR of 16.9 but only because of IT Band|
marrona|||264.17||
Agent J|||139||
mprop|||||
nachoqueen|||||
Lad GAGA|3|30|c359|Missed one session due to work commitments but delighted to do the 19 mile LSR yesterday|
tivvo|||||
BrokenMan|5|48.2|409.7|Very happy to get in the 20 miler today. tired though|

Found the end of the 16.5 LSR very tough. For the last 2-3 miles I felt like I was running on empty. Don't think I had eaten enough on the Friday. Legs felt ok though, so that's something at least.