2010 Dublin Marathon Novices/Sub-4:30 Mentored Thread

ilovetorun · 27-09-2010 10:39am

rainbow kirby wrote: »

If anyone is still a week ahead at this stage of the program, keep the midweek mileage but I'd like you to do 15-17 miles as your long run - see how you feel after 15, but I wouldn't go much further than 17. You've probably already done the 20 if you're a week ahead.

I was planning on doing another 20m this weekend, I have gotten 2 in already but now I'm not sure..........
Any advice?

ilovetorun · 27-09-2010 10:42am

Name|Sessions Completed|Total Miles This Week|Total Mileage To Date|Comments

William72|4|32|260.2|All good|
The Wexican|| |250.5||
rofno1|| |251||
boccy23|||285||
brophya2007|4|39 |344.4|20 mile LSR done - 1 week to taper

|
beamgirl|||241||
michellemuncher|||229||
RayCun|6|36.6|428.1| Relaxed 15 mile LSR on Saturday, PB in yesterday's 5k|
littlebug| | |300.2| |
meathcountysec|||476.60||
DigiJem|||248.8||
D Chief|||283||
digger2d2|||364||
Curl52|||401||
ilovetorun |4|37|304|All good, didn't eat enough before Saturday's LSR, lesson learnt!|
James Howlett|5|35|377|LSR runs have lost their novelty

|
RallyRunner|||309.1||
corked| | |273.65| |
Cr17|||||
Milosh|||316||
RubyK|4|38.66|444.64|LSR 20 miles. Problems after mile 11 with hip. Frustrating, as I felt good and fresh. Trying to get myself a foam roller and sort out this issue|
The_Dazzler|||||
JEmily||5|218|3 days of rest left with injury, hopefully this week will get back to plan|
Mrslow|||207.3||
marrona|||360.48||
Agent J|||139| |
mprop|||||
nachoqueen|||||
Lad GAGA| | |c371| |
tivvo|||||
BrokenMan| ||504.04||
Perkina3||| c. 270?|

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RayCun · 27-09-2010 10:44am

ilovetorun wrote: »

I was planning on doing another 20m this weekend, I have gotten 2 in already but now I'm not sure..........
Any advice?

I've done 2 already (3 and 5 weeks ago, I think), planning another 20 on Saturday.

rainbow kirby · 27-09-2010 10:45am

ilovetorun wrote: »

I was planning on doing another 20m this weekend, I have gotten 2 in already but now I'm not sure..........
Any advice?

It's up to yourself really.

You don't absolutely *need* another 20 - having 2 done already (and probably a few runs in the 15-19 mile range) has prepared you well. If you feel though that it would be good for you mentally, and you have no injury problems or worries, then feel free to do it - just know that at this stage with the work you have done you should be fine anyway.

DigiJem · 27-09-2010 11:14am

Name|Sessions Completed|Total Miles This Week|Total Mileage To Date|Comments
William72|4|32|260.2|All good|
The Wexican|| |250.5||
rofno1|| |251||
boccy23|||285||
brophya2007|4|39 |344.4|20 mile LSR done - 1 week to taper

|
beamgirl|||241||
michellemuncher|||229||
RayCun|6|36.6|428.1| Relaxed 15 mile LSR on Saturday, PB in yesterday's 5k|
littlebug| | |300.2| |
meathcountysec|||476.60||
DigiJem|3|26.2|275|Mileage is last weeks, forgot to add it. Zero running miles this week|
D Chief|||283||
digger2d2|||364||
Curl52|||401||
ilovetorun |4|37|267|All good, didn't eat enough before Saturday's LSR, lesson learnt!|
James Howlett|5|35|377|LSR runs have lost their novelty

|
RallyRunner|||309.1||
corked| | |273.65| |
Cr17|||||
Milosh|||316||
RubyK|4|38.66|444.64|LSR 20 miles. Problems after mile 11 with hip. Frustrating, as I felt good and fresh. Trying to get myself a foam roller and sort out this issue|
The_Dazzler|||||
JEmily||5|218|3 days of rest left with injury, hopefully this week will get back to plan|
Mrslow|||207.3||
marrona|||360.48||
Agent J|||139| |
mprop|||||
nachoqueen|||||
Lad GAGA| | |c371| |
tivvo|||||
BrokenMan| ||504.04||
Perkina3||| c. 270?|

meathcountysec · 27-09-2010 11:53am

Name|Sessions Completed|Total Miles This Week|Total Mileage To Date|Comments
William72|4|32|260.2|All good|
The Wexican|| |250.5||
rofno1|| |251||
boccy23|||285||
brophya2007|4|39 |344.4|20 mile LSR done - 1 week to taper

|
beamgirl|||241||
michellemuncher|||229||
RayCun|6|36.6|428.1| Relaxed 15 mile LSR on Saturday, PB in yesterday's 5k|
littlebug| | |300.2| |
meathcountysec|4|29.63|506.23|Bit of a step back week. Last 20m LSR next week then taper..|
DigiJem|3|26.2|275|Mileage is last weeks, forgot to add it. Zero running miles this week|
D Chief|||283||
digger2d2|||364||
Curl52|||401||
ilovetorun |4|37|267|All good, didn't eat enough before Saturday's LSR, lesson learnt!|
James Howlett|5|35|377|LSR runs have lost their novelty

|
RallyRunner|||309.1||
corked| | |273.65| |
Cr17|||||
Milosh|||316||
RubyK|4|38.66|444.64|LSR 20 miles. Problems after mile 11 with hip. Frustrating, as I felt good and fresh. Trying to get myself a foam roller and sort out this issue|
The_Dazzler|||||
JEmily||5|218|3 days of rest left with injury, hopefully this week will get back to plan|
Mrslow|||207.3||
marrona|||360.48||
Agent J|||139| |
mprop|||||
nachoqueen|||||
Lad GAGA| | |c371| |
tivvo|||||
BrokenMan| ||504.04||
Perkina3||| c. 270?|

BrokenMan · 27-09-2010 12:06pm

Name|Sessions Completed|Total Miles This Week|Total Mileage To Date|Comments
William72|4|32|260.2|All good|
The Wexican|| |250.5||
rofno1|| |251||
boccy23|||285||
brophya2007|4|39 |344.4|20 mile LSR done - 1 week to taper

|
beamgirl|||241||
michellemuncher|||229||
RayCun|6|36.6|428.1| Relaxed 15 mile LSR on Saturday, PB in yesterday's 5k|
littlebug| | |300.2| |
meathcountysec|4|29.63|506.23|Bit of a step back week. Last 20m LSR next week then taper..|
DigiJem|3|26.2|275|Mileage is last weeks, forgot to add it. Zero running miles this week|
D Chief|||283||
digger2d2|||364||
Curl52|||401||
ilovetorun |4|37|267|All good, didn't eat enough before Saturday's LSR, lesson learnt!|
James Howlett|5|35|377|LSR runs have lost their novelty

|
RallyRunner|||309.1||
corked| | |273.65| |
Cr17|||||
Milosh|||316||
RubyK|4|38.66|444.64|LSR 20 miles. Problems after mile 11 with hip. Frustrating, as I felt good and fresh. Trying to get myself a foam roller and sort out this issue|
The_Dazzler|||||
JEmily||5|218|3 days of rest left with injury, hopefully this week will get back to plan|
Mrslow|||207.3||
marrona|||360.48||
Agent J|||139| |
mprop|||||
nachoqueen|||||
Lad GAGA| | |c371| |
tivvo|||||
BrokenMan| 5|38.85|542.89|12 mile LSR. Athlone 3/4 next Sunday, should be interesting|
Perkina3||| c. 270?|

RubyK · 27-09-2010 12:13pm

Just wondering, what you will use to carry supplies on the day?

I bought a running pouch online, and planned to use it on Saturday (2 gels, some glucose sweets, jellies, and tissue). I got 20 metres up the road, when I had to turn back, as it was just too awkward (bouncing up and down, and heavy) and take it off. I tried pinning the gels to my shorts, but that didn't work either

So in the end, I headed out with an MP3 arm holder, that barely fitted 1 gel, a couple of sweets and a tissue - this wouldn't do me for the marathon, I'd need to have about 3 gels.

Any suggestions on what to go for?

rainbow kirby · 27-09-2010 12:16pm

RubyK wrote: »

Just wondering, what you will use to carry supplies on the day?

What do you plan on carrying on the day?

All I'll be carrying is my gels - everything else goes in my drop bag. I've just got a race number belt with loops for 4 gels, and I'll probably throw an extra one in my shorts pocket.

RubyK · 27-09-2010 12:20pm

rainbow kirby wrote: »

What do you plan on carrying on the day?

All I'll be carrying is my gels just got a race number belt with loops for 4 gels, and I'll probably throw an extra one in my shorts pocket.

Thanks rk

I'll have a google for one of those.

rainbow kirby · 27-09-2010 12:32pm

RubyK wrote: »

Thanks rk

I'll have a google for one of those.

It's basically this - got it in Irishfit for a tenner even though I could have got it cheaper online. Silly kirby. Wore it for the half, with 2 gels in it (only used one), and it really didn't bother me at all.

JEmily · 27-09-2010 12:42pm

rainbow kirby wrote: »

It's basically this - got it in Irishfit for a tenner even though I could have got it cheaper online. Silly kirby. Wore it for the half, with 2 gels in it (only used one), and it really didn't bother me at all.

What you doing for water/drinks, grabbing bottles en route as such? I've got pouch for gels, tissue etc. But i'll need plan for water as nothing but handheld bottle to start. I presume there will be plenty of water stations, and it won't be cups but bottles given out???

boccy23 · 27-09-2010 12:46pm

Name|Sessions Completed|Total Miles This Week|Total Mileage To Date|Comments
William72|4|32|260.2|All good|
The Wexican|| |250.5||
rofno1|| |251||
boccy23|3|28|313|3 sessions with an 18.5 mile LSR. Could have done 20 but it was dark!|
brophya2007|4|39 |344.4|20 mile LSR done - 1 week to taper

|
beamgirl|||241||
michellemuncher|||229||
RayCun|6|36.6|428.1| Relaxed 15 mile LSR on Saturday, PB in yesterday's 5k|
littlebug| | |300.2| |
meathcountysec|4|29.63|506.23|Bit of a step back week. Last 20m LSR next week then taper..|
DigiJem|3|26.2|275|Mileage is last weeks, forgot to add it. Zero running miles this week|
D Chief|||283||
digger2d2|||364||
Curl52|||401||
ilovetorun |4|37|267|All good, didn't eat enough before Saturday's LSR, lesson learnt!|
James Howlett|5|35|377|LSR runs have lost their novelty

|
RallyRunner|||309.1||
corked| | |273.65| |
Cr17|||||
Milosh|||316||
RubyK|4|38.66|444.64|LSR 20 miles. Problems after mile 11 with hip. Frustrating, as I felt good and fresh. Trying to get myself a foam roller and sort out this issue|
The_Dazzler|||||
JEmily||5|218|3 days of rest left with injury, hopefully this week will get back to plan|
Mrslow|||207.3||
marrona|||360.48||
Agent J|||139| |
mprop|||||
nachoqueen|||||
Lad GAGA| | |c371| |
tivvo|||||
BrokenMan| 5|38.85|542.89|12 mile LSR. Athlone 3/4 next Sunday, should be interesting|
Perkina3||| c. 270?|

Damn short nights are affecting the runs now. Finished the LSR in the dark at 8Pm on Saturday night.

RayCun · 27-09-2010 12:47pm

Water stations are every 3 miles, giving out bottles.

I've an arm pouch that suits me, will hold three gels (not the isotonic ones) and I'll stick another in my back pocket.

meathcountysec · 27-09-2010 12:47pm

JEmily wrote: »

What you doing for water/drinks, grabbing bottles en route as such? I've got pouch for gels, tissue etc. But i'll need plan for water as nothing but handheld bottle to start. I presume there will be plenty of water stations, and it won't be cups but bottles given out???

I'm going native. Hunting for nuts and berries in any shrubbery along the route. Water stations every 5K. Bottles, I believe.

RayCun · 27-09-2010 12:49pm

meathcountysec wrote: »

I'm going native. Hunting for nuts and berries in any shrubbery along the route.

You could probably survive on all the gels people will drop along the way.

rainbow kirby · 27-09-2010 12:52pm

JEmily wrote: »

What you doing for water/drinks, grabbing bottles en route as such? I've got pouch for gels, tissue etc. But i'll need plan for water as nothing but handheld bottle to start. I presume there will be plenty of water stations, and it won't be cups but bottles given out???

There are 11 water stations on the course, just grab a bottle (it *is* bottles, not cups) at each one. I don't really see any need to have a bottle with me from the start.

meathcountysec · 27-09-2010 12:56pm

RayCun wrote: »

You could probably survive on all the gels people will drop along the way.

I was going to treat them as a roundabout, and give way to traffic coming from the right:D

wpd · 27-09-2010 12:57pm

did the marathon 2 years ago it hurt a lot and took over 5 hours
since then have done a lot of cyclng and lost 7kg
recently did the half marathon with a friend, it took 2.5hours but felt fine at the end (waiting for friend held me back)

am questionning now should i go for full marathon, would be happy with under 5 hours and to use a run/walk strategy

have i left it too late to prepare????

rainbow kirby · 27-09-2010 1:00pm

wpd wrote: »

am questionning now should i go for full marathon, would be happy with under 5 hours and to use a run/walk strategy

have i left it too late to prepare????

Seriously - yes. Far too late to be thinking about DCM now if your longest training run this year has been 13 miles. Marathon is 4 weeks away now, most people will be starting to taper this time next week. Train for a spring marathon instead.

RayCun · 27-09-2010 1:01pm

wpd wrote: »

have i left it too late to prepare????

Yes!

the boss of me · 27-09-2010 1:21pm

RubyK wrote: »

Just wondering, what you will use to carry supplies on the day?

Any suggestions on what to go for?

You could always ask a helpful motorcycle Guardette to carry them in her leathers for you....

Seriously though.. how many gels should you consume during a marathon.The reason I ask is because on High 5 gels it recommends using three sachets for every hour of activity with a max of 40 per day. Seems like an awful lot ?

RubyK · 27-09-2010 1:32pm

For my last LSR of 20 miles, I took 2 gels and about 5 jellies. On marathon day, I'd like to have 4 gels on me, plus jellies on the day. They do have 2 gel stations on route (hi5), but I found the the isotonic ones suit me best, so I'll stick with my own on the day.

Izoard · 27-09-2010 1:36pm

the boss of me wrote: »

You could always ask a helpful motorcycle Guardette to carry them in her leathers for you....

Seriously though.. how many gels should you consume during a marathon.The reason I ask is because on High 5 gels it recommends using three sachets for every hour of activity with a max of 40 per day. Seems like an awful lot ?

This is trial and error, to be done on your LSRs. Some people use 1 or 2, while my normal is every 3 miles from mile 9 = 6 total.

For some people this would be way too much gunk to stomach, but at this stage, I'm used to it.

Also, if you have room, a packet of jellies wouldn't go to waste - a life saver in the last few miles (although there are plently of Good Samaritans along the route who hand these out...).

the boss of me · 27-09-2010 2:01pm

One every three miles seems more like it alright. I took two in the half and that worked out well. I'd imagine three an hour would rip the stomach out of most people.

marrona · 27-09-2010 2:18pm

Name|Sessions Completed|Total Miles This Week|Total Mileage To Date|Comments
William72|4|32|260.2|All good|
The Wexican|| |250.5||
rofno1|| |251||
boccy23|3|28|313|3 sessions with an 18.5 mile LSR. Could have done 20 but it was dark!|
brophya2007|4|39 |344.4|20 mile LSR done - 1 week to taper

|
beamgirl|||241||
michellemuncher|||229||
RayCun|6|36.6|428.1| Relaxed 15 mile LSR on Saturday, PB in yesterday's 5k|
littlebug| | |300.2| |
meathcountysec|4|29.63|506.23|Bit of a step back week. Last 20m LSR next week then taper..|
DigiJem|3|26.2|275|Mileage is last weeks, forgot to add it. Zero running miles this week|
D Chief|||283||
digger2d2|||364||
Curl52|||401||
ilovetorun |4|37|267|All good, didn't eat enough before Saturday's LSR, lesson learnt!|
James Howlett|5|35|377|LSR runs have lost their novelty

|
RallyRunner|||309.1||
corked| | |273.65| |
Cr17|||||
Milosh|||316||
RubyK|4|38.66|444.64|LSR 20 miles. Problems after mile 11 with hip. Frustrating, as I felt good and fresh. Trying to get myself a foam roller and sort out this issue|
The_Dazzler|||||
JEmily||5|218|3 days of rest left with injury, hopefully this week will get back to plan|
Mrslow|||207.3||
marrona|4|33.01|393.49|lovely week running. welcome stepback.|
Agent J|||139| |
mprop|||||
nachoqueen|||||
Lad GAGA| | |c371| |
tivvo|||||
BrokenMan| 5|38.85|542.89|12 mile LSR. Athlone 3/4 next Sunday, should be interesting|
Perkina3||| c. 270?|

ShaneIRL · 27-09-2010 2:22pm

JEmily wrote: »

What you doing for water/drinks, grabbing bottles en route as such? I've got pouch for gels, tissue etc. But i'll need plan for water as nothing but handheld bottle to start. I presume there will be plenty of water stations, and it won't be cups but bottles given out???

You could try this belt

http://www.runways.ie/store/product/5236/Nathan-Trail-Mix-Water-Belt/ - Runways

or same belt in Elverys

http://www.elverys.ie/Product/Mile%20Nathan%20TM%20Run%20Nutrition%20Belt/208606/0000000139

Jacky08 · 27-09-2010 2:46pm

Bit of advice required (hope to do 1st ever marathon DCM)
I have been building up my running since Jan last (2010)
Done two nice 10k's (42-45mins) one half marathon (1hr 42m) and was up to about 16 mile on my longer runs- on average I was up to about 28 mile a week, so I had a good degree of fitness .... I started to get niggles last June - calf and then IT Band/Knee issue, both injuries have interuppted my training schedule
I'm only really back -I did two 5 milers and one 10miler last week- not pushing it and suffered no reaction of note - now realising that I must actually get at least one 20miler in ...... could anyone recommend a sensible schedule over the next couple of weeks .....that would leave me in some sort of shape for the big one ... any advice very welcome

Mr Slow · 27-09-2010 2:55pm

Jacky08 wrote: »

Bit of advice required (hope to do 1st ever marathon DCM)
I have been building up my running since Jan last (2010)
Done two nice 10k's (42-45mins) one half marathon (1hr 42m) and was up to about 16 mile on my longer runs- on average I was up to about 28 mile a week, so I had a good degree of fitness .... I started to get niggles last June - calf and then IT Band/Knee issue, both injuries have interuppted my training schedule
I'm only really back -I did two 5 milers and one 10miler last week- not pushing it and suffered no reaction of note - now realising that I must actually get at least one 20miler in ...... could anyone recommend a sensible schedule over the next couple of weeks .....that would leave me in some sort of shape for the big one ... any advice very welcome

I think the gap in training is too big and you're out of time to get the mileage into your legs you require, go for a spring marathon instead.

Mr Slow · 27-09-2010 2:58pm

Name|Sessions Completed|Total Miles This Week|Total Mileage To Date|Comments
William72|4|32|260.2|All good|
The Wexican|| |250.5||
rofno1|| |251||
boccy23|3|28|313|3 sessions with an 18.5 mile LSR. Could have done 20 but it was dark!|
brophya2007|4|39 |344.4|20 mile LSR done - 1 week to taper

|
beamgirl|||241||
michellemuncher|||229||
RayCun|6|36.6|428.1| Relaxed 15 mile LSR on Saturday, PB in yesterday's 5k|
littlebug| | |300.2| |
meathcountysec|4|29.63|506.23|Bit of a step back week. Last 20m LSR next week then taper..|
DigiJem|3|26.2|275|Mileage is last weeks, forgot to add it. Zero running miles this week|
D Chief|||283||
digger2d2|||364||
Curl52|||401||
ilovetorun |4|37|267|All good, didn't eat enough before Saturday's LSR, lesson learnt!|
James Howlett|5|35|377|LSR runs have lost their novelty

|
RallyRunner|||309.1||
corked| | |273.65| |
Cr17|||||
Milosh|||316||
RubyK|4|38.66|444.64|LSR 20 miles. Problems after mile 11 with hip. Frustrating, as I felt good and fresh. Trying to get myself a foam roller and sort out this issue|
The_Dazzler|||||
JEmily||5|218|3 days of rest left with injury, hopefully this week will get back to plan|
Mrslow|4|38.5|245.8|20 mile LSR complete, the weight has been lifted:D|
marrona|4|33.01|393.49|lovely week running. welcome stepback.|
Agent J|||139| |
mprop|||||
nachoqueen|||||
Lad GAGA| | |c371| |
tivvo|||||
BrokenMan| 5|38.85|542.89|12 mile LSR. Athlone 3/4 next Sunday, should be interesting|
Perkina3||| c. 270?|