You are not a f*cking DJ. You’re an overpaid, untalented, cake-throwing c*nt.

joker77

Nah, I don't think it's tin-foil hat necessarily

A friend of mine scoffed heartily when he saw all the news about people connecting through facebook being the cause of the uprising in Egypt. Complete nonsense he reckoned.

It's highly suspicious what's happening in that region.

Anyone read about China's whitepaper, and their concern over 'global powers increasing their military spend'?

War is a major industry now for the US, there's no denying it.

Is mise le key

jtsuited wrote: »

Hmmmm........some important issues raised by Is Mise there.
Who the fcuk are the rebels in Libya? Seriously. I'd say Obama is just praying this isn't going to be Mujahadeen 2, and they end up arming some mad bastards for short term gain.

Also, all the populist uprisings in the middle east over the past two months have seemed suspicious to anyone who knows US covert ops policy. In 15 years time there's a good chance we'll find out the whole thing was instigated by a lot of special agents.

Fcuking hell, I'm sounding like a tin-foil hat wearer.

Ahh come on now, if you are telling me that recognising that wars are not backed, funded & instigated merley on the grounds of one section of a countries people being oppressed & or being denied their human rights is tinfoil hat territory then i would be seriously worried about your judgement chief.

Fidel castro - 22/09/1960 - United nations address wrote:

Do away with the philosophy of plunder and you will have done away forever with the philosophy of war!

We all know that the aim here is to gain greater control of libya's oil, the root need & want of capitalist america is to control that which everyone relys on most, and with peak oil maybe already having been passed it seems very plausible, like you touched on JT, that incidious work has been going on for some time by the CIA awaiting the right moment to ensure this war is waged & concluded with the death of ghadaffi.

Android 666

Yeah, I was thinking about this recently and I was reckoning that <snip> America is a very nice place with no suspicious activities that loves freedom and is only helping other countries so that they may be nicer places to live where lambs roam free through golden meadows and everybody loves Jesus. Nothing of interest here. Move on</snip> and the whole of the middle east. So there!

Is mise le key

I mean lets not beat around the bush here, the american government past & present are the among the most dispicable barbaric people this planet has ever been unfortunate to bring into existence, they coldly spill the blood of men, women & children in the pursuit of control over the resources of the world & in turn the financial system where it will be traded, swapped, hedged, insured etc etc etc.

Zascar

Are American's the Real Terrorists?

Android 666

Is mise le key wrote: »

I mean lets not beat around the bush here, the american government past & present are the among the most dispicable barbaric people this planet has ever been unfortunate to bring into existence, they coldly spill the blood of men, women & children in the pursuit of control over the resources of the world & in turn the financial system where it will be traded, swapped, hedged, insured etc etc etc.

Freedom hater…

stomprockin

It's definitely an element of all the above and also it's payback time for the Brits, lockerbie and for arming the IRA! and of course Oil:)

Is mise le key

I dont want to be going backwards on discussions we have already thrashed out in the past but it really is like groundhog day, €24B more needed & no bonds being touched!

It really is unbeleivable that we are listening to this shítebag (honohan) telling us how much more he & his fúcking cronie's need to save their ass from meltdown they created, i mean this guy has been working for the IMF for decades,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Honohan#Professional_career

I am raging this morning listening to that Noonan prick, the waffle is carbon coppy of lenihans shíte when he was screwing us, i mean this is no surprise to me as we kknew it was coming but it is hard to swallow nonetheless.

The figure has arrived at €70B which is what the Socialist party literature was saying long before the election, they (the major parties) always knew the figure along with 'heir honohan' was going to arrive at this but have drip fed it out over two years to keep a grip on public opinion & a lid on any potential unrest.

Now we are at a point where we have 2 fully Nationlised banks, (nationlised being a dirty word in capitalism never to be ever contemplated)
The people through taxation funding the banks & in turn that means the money that will flow into the economy to keep business going, senior economists in germany using phrases like 'In solidarity' when refferring to the relationship between ireland & the EU.

Now forgive me but all this sounds a lot like elements of Socialism being adopted to shore up a failed capitalist system.

joker77

I decided yesterday to stop paying any attention to what's going on.

We are being screwed, but we are supposedly in a democracy, which supposedly takes into account what the majority of people think on this matter. We have just had a democratic National election, and the people gave a very clear signal they want FG in power.

I thought that the FG would be worse than FF, even though most people don't think that's possible.

But after a month into their term, I feel as if I may as well stop paying attention, because there's no point - it only depresses me, I have no real say, there's no chance of a referendum on the matter, so it's a case of sucking it up and trying to get on with life, knowing that we're being royally fúcked.

Is mise le key

I cannot agree joker, i may have to suck it up as it is the system as it stands but i can never advocate or see any justness in it, i will do what i can to influence the end of this system which is in reality anti human rights.

Private profit over human life is never going to be acceptable to me or should not be to any right thinking person no matter how much spin, waffle, or nonsensical terminology is apllied to it.

Stress tests my balls, they know full well how much they over lent on the farctional lending in the first place & are watching as the major cpital depositors move their money from Ireland into the EU banks leaving a 'funding hole' (enter the IMF/ECB to the rescue with interest).

I want out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BaZmO*

Watched Vincent Browne last night and it was fvcking depressing. Richard Bruton was on and he hadn't a clue what he was talking about. They had 4 Economists on giving him a lesson on what's actually going on and what we need to do and he just dismissed them. And then left at 12 because he had an early start in the morning. :rolleyes:

We're getting drip fed money from Europe so that they can shore up the big European Banks. Once they're safe we'll be cut loose and then we'll need to be rescued by the IMF/ECB and then we'll see real cuts. Labour won't have the balls to go with the public sector cuts and the Government will collapse.

The Government needs to act now, but they also need to have a plan. We're holding the trump card now, in the sense that if we decide to default now we can take the European banking sector with us. Europe obviously don't want this.

The Banks need to be allowed to fail. Capitalism doesn't work without failure. It's like having Heaven without Hell, there's no incentive to be good.

Is mise le key

BaZmO* wrote: »

Watched Vincent Browne last night and it was fvcking depressing. Richard Bruton was on and he hadn't a clue what he was talking about. They had 4 Economists on giving him a lesson on what's actually going on and what we need to do and he just dismissed them. And then left at 12 because he had an early start in the morning. :rolleyes:

We're getting drip fed money from Europe so that they can shore up the big European Banks. Once they're safe we'll be cut loose and then we'll need to be rescued by the IMF/ECB and then we'll see real cuts. Labour won't have the balls to go with the public sector cuts and the Government will collapse.

The Government needs to act now, but they also need to have a plan. We're holding the trump card now, in the sense that if we decide to default now we can take the European banking sector with us. Europe obviously don't want this.

The Banks need to be allowed to fail. Capitalism doesn't work without failure. It's like having Heaven without Hell, there's no incentive to be good.

Yes, the banks & their private bondholders need to take the hit they had coming to them working in the capitalist market.

The difference is now is what system do you turn to once the default is commenced & failed banks are out of business, almost what we have now,

1 National bank, state controlled, Out of the EU money system (which is also going to fail) & full control over our natural resources, we are not a poor people if we use our natural resources to our benefit.

One example again to refer to cuba after the revolution, withing 2 years of taking control & ending the reign of the american capitalist companies they had almost halved unemployment from 600,000, aimed to eradicate illiteracy within the next 2 years of 70% of the country & halved the rents of the poor that were paying approx 1/3 of their wage to the american propperty owners.

(the point of this reference is that they did all this with the same resources in the country that the american companies had at their disposal)

Now before you throw out there that cuba is no place to live now i agree, but that has been brought about by decades of economic embargos santioned & enforced by the US.

We need to have a greater revenue to the state from our oil & gas starting at a negotiating position of 90% for the state & 10% for Shell/Topaz, we would not be in the bleak position we find ourselves in now if we did & would not need IMF/ECB interference in our country.

jtsuited

Comparing us to Cuba is a bit off the mark in how we can handle pissing off the 'International Business Community'.
We are a tiny island, with a tiny population where the only prosperity we have ever experienced has been a result of FOREIGN money (and then the batsh1t crazy domestic lending that followed).

Cuba survived and prospered through years of embargoes, mainly by doing dodgy deals with the USSR. Since that collapsed they've been struggling.

I'm not a fan of the fact that basically we can't stand on our own two feet. We never have been able to. Remember we're still a post colonial nation, struggling to figure out what the fcuk we're about.

Unfortunately, by the time globalised corporatism hit our shores, we hadn't a chance at an alternative and we got sucked in......mind you, we did well out of it in some respects.

One of the things that REALLY put us in this mess is our deluded national ego - remember that Terminal 2 ad where the smug dick in it tells us how the 'Irish' gave the world the submarine? (go look up yer man Holland on wiki).

We are too small to tell anyone (from bondholders to the IMF/ECB to Angela Merkel) to feck off. Yet we have this bizarre pride about 'economic sovereignty', which is a notion that is fantastical in the extreme.

We need foreign money and we need it fast. We could talk all day about how we should let the banks fail, but that's a discussion that happened (and will continue to happen) in Brussels, not on Kildare street.

The sad reality of it (that we must face up to) is that we're fcuked. Really fcuked. And the only thing that can get us out of this are the foreign fatcats, because we have absolutely nothing without them.

Is mise le key

jtsuited wrote: »

Cuba survived and prospered through years of embargoes, mainly by doing dodgy deals with the USSR. Since that collapsed they've been struggling..

The only country that would do any deals with them was the USSR because of the US imposed sanctions on them, also remember that Che was finance minister & he was openly critical of Fidels direction to put cuba so heavily dependent on one source of income (sugar to USSR at subsidised rates) which eventually the USSR had to withdraw but should be applauded for the length of time they continued this before cesation.
Che was on missions to china & easter europe to try & negotiate trade for cuba & eventually departed cuba to fight in bolivia.

jtsuited wrote: »

I'm not a fan of the fact that basically we can't stand on our own two feet. We never have been able to. Remember we're still a post colonial nation, struggling to figure out what the fcuk we're about..

So was cuba, but they worked out very quickly that their identity was not former slaves of their colonial masters but of a nation that was in its own right in the world.

jtsuited wrote: »

The sad reality of it (that we must face up to) is that we're fcuked. Really fcuked. And the only thing that can get us out of this are the foreign fatcats, because we have absolutely nothing without them.

We have an abundance of gas & oil, that is a fact.

ianuss

Football hooliganism is alive and well in Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KErBk0z4_Mw

raymann

Is mise le key wrote: »

The only country that would do any deals with them was the USSR because of the US imposed sanctions on them, also remember that Che was finance minister & he was openly critical of Fidels direction to put cuba so heavily dependent on one source of income (sugar to USSR at subsidised rates) which eventually the USSR had to withdraw but should be applauded for the length of time they continued this before cesation.
Che was on missions to china & easter europe to try & negotiate trade for cuba & eventually departed cuba to fight in bolivia.



So was cuba, but they worked out very quickly that their identity was not former slaves of their colonial masters but of a nation that was in its own right in the world.



We have an abundance of gas & oil, that is a fact.

every bit of research i have done away from the hysterical rabble you get on here says no. the most telling thing is that there are no oil companies even remotely interested in even looking for gas (there has been no oil found at all) in irish waters.

it seems like its being repeated over and over again until people think its true. this was posted on the property pin and despite being not what we want to read, seems to be the rational viewpoint (sorry, its quite long, but well worth the read):


The deal the Irish State did with Shell is no different than what both ourselves and our neighbours in Holland, Norway and the UK have been doing for years. The only difference is that since the 1970s (Kinsale gas field) this is the first commercial gas discovery on the Irish Continental shelf.
The continental shelf of each country is divided up into blocks which are each given numbers. Oil companies then bid on the rights to drill in a block. The block will be leased to the oil company for a stated number of years and yes they will earn revenue for bringing any hydrocarbons found to market. The state will then tax the revenue in a number of ways but usually this is done by royalties of a fixed percentage of revenue for each BOE (barrel of oil equivalent) produced. The tax rate of the royalties is stated in the terms of conditions set by the government prior to any oil company taking out a lease on a block.

In Ireland we've one of the worst strike rates for finding hydrocarbons of anywhere in the planet. (3% but I need to find the link for this) Here is some useful comparisons with our neighbours in Norway and the UK

Quote:
The Irish offshore industry is repeatedly compared to its Norwegian and UK counterparts. More often than not, this comparison focuses on the fiscal terms offered to companies carrying out exploration and development in these countries. This comparison is wholly inappropriate.

Exploration in Norway commenced at about the same time as in Ireland. Since then the Norwegian industry has drilled 1,200 exploration and appraisal wells. The UK industry has drilled 4,211 exploration and appraisal wells and currently has 350 producing oil and gas fields.

At the same time, Ireland has drilled only 155 exploration and appraisal wells and only has three producing gas fields with the fourth, Corrib, under development.

Norway is also seen as particularly attractive for exploration given the large average size of the fields discovered, approximately three times the size of the average in Ireland. Norway’s production to date plus proven reserves is 114 times greater than Ireland’s. UK production to date and proven reserves is 99 times greater than Ireland’s.

These enormous natural advantages enable Norway and the United Kingdom to impose tough fiscal terms on offshore explorers and make any comparison between terms offered in Ireland and the other two countries entirely inappropriate. The attractiveness of Norway and the United Kingdom, despite their relatively onerous fiscal terms, is emphasised by the number of applicationsfor exploration licences. For instance, the 24th Licensing Round (2006) in the UK attracted 147 applications from 121 companies. A comparable round in Ireland resulted in the award of 4 licences.

The appropriate comparison would be with other countries of relatively low prospectivity, such as France, Spain and Portugal, which have similarly low levels of activity to Ireland.
Norway is the third largest exporter of crude oil in the world and currently has 49 producing oil and gas fields with a further five fields under development. Another 13 fields have ceased production. The UK has over 300 producing oil and gas fields with 18 fields under development. Ireland has only three producing gas fields, one gas field under development and no commercial oil discoveries to date. These stark differences make comparisons between Ireland and the other two countries, and the fiscal terms they impose on exploration companies, entirely inappropriate.
Source: UKOOA, the Petroleum Affairs Division and the Norwegian Petroleum Directorate (Faktaheftet om norsk petroleum verksemd for 2005).


http://www.iooa.ie/securing-the-future-page41390.html


So, if you have lots of oil and gas already discovered on your continental shelf you can impose higher taxes/tariffs on the Oil companies producing oil and gas.
Because of the low success rate on the Irish continental shelf we must be very generous on the low taxes that we would charge so as to attract oil companies to drill in our waters.

It would seem that just as Shell is about to make a return on their massive investment on the Corrib project we have people in this country deciding that they should not have it, almost that we always knew that it was there and our government still decided to "give it away". This is nonsense. Do these people realise the massive cost today for exploring for oil and gas. An average exploration well in deep water such as off the coast of Mayo and Donegal where Shell is drilling is now costing at least $100 million.

I'm all for our government setting up an Irish National oil company to explore for oil and gas off of Ireland but I do not think that the Irish tax payer is willing to stump up the cost of maybe $1 Billion to go on a 10 well drilling programme with a success rate of perhaps 5%. And that cost would only be for drilling the wells. Not for building the offshore platforms, pipelines, onshore refineries. So perhaps double that price again.
How many hospitals, schools and roads are the Irish people willing to forfeit so that we can explore for oil and gas.
It seems we want to go down the path of just confiscating it from the companies who are willing to take the chance of finding it. This is outrageous.

I have no beef with people campaigning on whether Shell are doing a safe and environmentally friendly job of bringing the Corrib gas to shore but nationalising our tiny offshore reserves is economic suicide. Welcome to Communist Ireland.

For the record I work for a major Oil and Gas company but not Shell. The company I work for has no commercial interest in Corrib or any other project on the Irish Continental shelf.

Is mise le key

Ok a few things here,

One of the main sources you quoted from is alligned with the norwegian petrol companies, would it fair to say you wouldnt trust 100% the information fed out from said interests seeing as they have a 78% take from the current gas field being brought onshore?

The figures you quoted actually work out at a 2.58% success rate for finding off irelands coast not 3% but due to the percentage difference in exloration between 4211 exploration and appraisal wells & 155 that a 2616.8% increase in activity of exploration btween the two which leaves the possibility of finding more wells highly likeley.

The approximation of €1B for 10 wells would at your percentage success rate mean we would find 2.5 wells for the money, so for accuracy if we spent €2B we would possibly find 4 maybe 5 wells, then if we say we at least take 10 billion from each well which is quite a low estimate we make a return of between €38 & €48B euro, i think the general population would be happier with €2B of whats left of our pension reserve fund going on this rather than into failed irish banks in order to pay off the EU banks with nothing to be gained only interest payments.

I dont work for an oil company & you dont have to to understand their is wealth off our coast that can be found & returns handsome profits, perhaps the hierarchy in your oil & gas company have carefully tailored an official company line that does not upset the apple cart in the petro chemical industry.

Now seeing as you do actully work for an oli & gas company, can you offer figures that would be the industry norm as an average to be made from a well if we were to find 4 or 5 with our €2B investment seeing as i estimated at only €10B per well?

milltown

2.5 wells out of 10 would be a 25% success rate, no?
If that were the case, using Rayman's info we would be much better poised to impose taxes and tarriffs on the big oil companies to drill here.

Is mise le key

milltown wrote: »

2.5 wells out of 10 would be a 25% success rate, no?
If that were the case, using Rayman's info we would be much better poised to impose taxes and tarriffs on the big oil companies to drill here.

Yep sorry miscalculated there,

based on raymanns figures a 5% success rate for 20 wells would only return 1 well.

thanks for pointing that out milltown.

Hmmm.......i wonder how much the average take per well is to work out the potential return on a €2B investment?

Clanket

Why don't we stop spending money on our police, teachers, nurses etc and invest everything in drilling for oil? Then with the profits we'll all be rich and will have the best country in the world.?

Is Mise, you have to admit Raymann makes a pretty decent argument. This whole we've got loads of oil and gas nonsense is just that, nonsense. If it was there and easily accessible then it would be getting removed as we speak. We have some, not lots. And the price we charge to the oil companies for exploration reflects this.

electrogrimey

Does anyone know anything about this tune, whether its available digitally anywhere?

http://www.discogs.com/X-Presidents-Diamond-Rings-96/release/67345

Another 25bn into these banks, sickens my sh1t tbh and according to FG a line has now been drawn under their losses, I remember FF saying something similar this time last year.. Let us see what the figure will be in another 12 months.. fuk1n morons trying to prop up doomed institutions in the name of cronyism, these banks should have been put through chapter 7 bankruptcy equivalent two years ago and started fresh, instead we have this sh1t setting us back at least 15 years to suit the wants of a section of the more senior generation that fuked us up to begin with.. and still no "burden sharing" for bondholders mentioned.. I would love to know who these bond holders really are, I have a sneaking suspicion some of them may be an organization highly connected to the Swiss that shafted the Irish badly in another nature in recent times if you catch my drift..
IMO these banks will fail eventually and we will default meanwhile Kenny spins the same rhetoric FF did about our new "pillar banks" needing to borrow at a point down the line from these bondholders and making regular trips to Europe with a begging bowl to other European political leaders.. cokwash. A lot of what G. Adams said prior to the lection may have sounded like electioneering.. I think some of it may unfortunately come to pass albeit a bit too late..
I am with Joker on just switching off :mad:

Scubadevils

ianuss wrote: »

Football hooliganism is alive and well in Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KErBk0z4_Mw

Fckin savages.

Android 666

Scubadevils wrote: »

Fckin savages.

Blatant misrepresentation there SD. There was no fornication in that at all!

Scubadevils

I was going to start a thread on this subject but saw a somewhat related thread in the alternative/indie forum so posed the question there instead... keen to here peoples views so posting the same text below -

Interesting to see this thread here tonight as only today I was thinking again about this very subject and had planned to start a thread but couldn't quite decide how to approach it! Why is it that you could buy an album today and on first listen possibly decide that its only ok or mediocre, yet on subsequent listens it grows and ultimately becomes something you love. What is it that changes in the brain in terms of how the various elements of the music being processed and becoming more familiar and at the same time more pleasurable?

I was looking this up earlier tonight to see if I could find anything on a google search but didn't find anything specific to this. I did however find some interesting material on wikipedia that drills deep into the subject of 'music & the brain'. Although it doesn't directly address my question, it does generate some interesting points in relation to how the brain processes music - one in particular in relation to how different parts of the brain process different elements of music - i.e. pitch, tonality and rhythm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_the_brain

What do people here think? Why does a first listen potentially mean little but after several listens you pronounce the album to be amongst the greatest ever?

Scubadevils

And actually, in addition to the above - an important and relevant point is that being stoned* can bring you to full appreciation of an album/track that may have otherwise taken several listens... and its not just while stoned, you could listen again the following day and subsequent listens with the same level of appreciation, just with a different state of mind.

*No, I'm not stoned right now, several glasses of wine however :pac:

Clanket

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxOsZK8libk&feature=related

I can't stop laughing at this.

Clanket

How do you embed?

I hit the Youtube button and pasted the link in between the

Scubadevils

Clanket wrote: »

How do you embed?

I hit the Youtube button and pasted the link in between the

Just paste the characters after the '=' at the end of the link... so like below but without the spaces between the brackets (I've left spaces below as otherwise the video will imbed)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxOsZK8libk

Clanket

Cheers Scuba. I haven't the head at the moment to follow that link on wikipedia you posted. I definitely will tomorrow.

The first album I noticed it was The Stone Roses. Thought it was average the first time I heard it. But with each listen it grew and grew on me. It's now right up there in my favourite albums of all time.