You are not a f*cking DJ. You’re an overpaid, untalented, cake-throwing c*nt.

ianuss

If learning about Ancient Rome is your thing is a great little podcast series;

http://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/the_history_of_rome/2007/07/index.html

joker77

While we're on the subject of the Olympics though - very little fuss being made here no?

http://www.london2012.com/country/ireland/athletes/

I know f*ck all about our athletes going. I suppose people aren't really that bothered about the Olympics, but I would have thought the meeja would have been ramping it up a little bit

kunst nugget

joker77 wrote: »

While we're on the subject of the Olympics though - very little fuss being made here no?

http://www.london2012.com/country/ireland/athletes/

I know f*ck all about our athletes going. I suppose people aren't really that bothered about, but I would have thought the meeja would have been ramping it up a little bit

There's bit and pieces this week in the run up but I suppose we're close enough to get fatigue from all the endorsement ads but not close enough to really revel in the glory of it. Plus, it's hard to get too excited when you know your only real medal hopes are probably coming from the boxing pikeys.

Clanket

Interesting enough article from A-Trak about the current state of the Dance music scene.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/atrak/dont-push-my-buttons_b_1694719.html

BaZmO*

Clanket wrote: »

Interesting enough article from A-Trak about the current state of the Dance music scene.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/atrak/dont-push-my-buttons_b_1694719.html

In fairness though, that article could’ve been written 10 years ago about the UK/European Dance scene. It’s purely coming from an American point of view, and highly tainted with a pop dance perspective, although big artists in America were still having pop dance hits back then. Cheesy artists like Cher, Madonna, Mariah Carey, etc.
It seems that a lot of people in the American music industry seem to think the likes of Deadmau5 & Guetta seem to represent EDM, they don’t in its purist sense. They are simply pop acts playing/producing pop songs that have a dance theme.

joker77

Yea but it's written by a Canadian scratch DJ, so fair enough. It's not too bad a read.

I'd wonder what it's like on the ground over in the US. I doubt the underground clubs are seeing any major impact with the current pop craze with dance music.

That phrase EDM makes my skin crawl though. Saw a quote recently but can't find it, about never seeing anyone with any credibility use the phrase. Only douchebags.

BaZmO*

joker77 wrote: »

That phrase EDM makes my skin crawl though. Saw a quote recently but can't find it, about never seeing anyone with any credibility use the phrase. Only douchebags.

I used that term. Although in my defence, I only used it because it was used in the original article. But it doesn't bother me as much as the term IDM..... or douchebag!

joker77

EDM and IDM, both used by cnuts

douchebag - what's not to love?

Edit: What's not to love about any derisory term ending in bag?

geebag, handbag, ballbag...

BaZmO*

joker77 wrote: »

EDM and IDM, both used by cnuts

douchebag - what's not to love?

Edit: What's not to love about any derisory term ending in bag?

geebag, handbag, ballbag...

The type of person that would use the term douchebag is generally what I'd consider to be an actual douchebag.

The other 3 bag'isms are all top notch and acceptable derisory terms mind.

jtsuited

When I first started making tunes years ago, I used to post on all sorts of forums that had a lot of yanks on them. I was once told 'if the person you are arguing with uses the term EDM, you are arguing with a plank'.

Honestly, it's the best bit of advice I've ever been given.

jtsuited

Fcuk this lads, this forum needs a resurrection. We need Is Mise, Ianuss, Joker, Milltown, Andy and the rest to get into a massive argument. I'll get the ball rolling........

This country's people voted in such a way for so long that they have got what they deserved, and to suddenly go on about how 'this country was ruined by bankers and crooked politicians' is silly.

jtsuited

Let's get this party started!!

joker77

jtsuited wrote: »

This country's people voted in such a way for so long that they have got what they deserved, and to suddenly go on about how 'this country was ruined by bankers and crooked politicians' is silly.

Not going to find much of an argument here with that statement I reckon.

Caveat emptor, the people got what they deserved etc.

jtsuited

ok then....let's get this party really started.

I fcuking hate CDJs. They encourage a bad way of mixing, using the master pitch algorithm and just pulling the platter back or forth the whole way through a mix.

Secondly, the DJM 800 is a cold sounding crap mixer when playing vinyl. Was using an A&H on power fm the other night and the superiority sound-wise was very very very noticeable.

joker77

Ok, I'll try this take on it jt

Irish people have a MAJOR problem with taking personal responsibility, and like to complain an awful lot about things rather than trying to change things.

Zascar

Jeff you're like the Richard Dawkins of the Digital-Vinyl Debate (if Richard Dawkins believed in God up until a few years ago)

jtsuited

joker77 wrote: »

Ok, I'll try this take on it jt

Irish people have a MAJOR problem with taking personal responsibility, and like to complain an awful lot about things rather than trying to change things.

now we're talking!! although i agree entirely.

jtsuited

Zascar wrote: »

Jeff you're like the Richard Dawkins of the Digital-Vinyl Debate (if Richard Dawkins believed in God up until a few years ago)

the greatest compliment that could ever be paid to me. thank you colly.

joker77

jtsuited wrote: »

I fcuking hate CDJs. They encourage a bad way of mixing, using the master pitch algorithm and just pulling the platter back or forth the whole way through a mix.

I have never used a CDJ - and don't know how to. Not joking. Really - I should - if I was playing out it would be prudent to have some CDs in the box in case the decks failed (as has happened). But meh. F*ck it. If the decks fail someone else can take over.

jtsuited

joker77 wrote: »

I have never used a CDJ - and don't know how to. Not joking. Really - I should - if I was playing out it would be prudent to have some CDs in the box in case the decks failed (as has happened). But meh. F*ck it. If the decks fail someone else can take over.

Ah if the decks fail, you just get into 'entertainer' mode, kill the music, say a few jokes while fixing whatever's broken and then boom, on with the show.

joker77

Without going looking it up - there must be some anthropological or psychological term for this:

"The overwhelming need of the majority of people to just fit in"

We've debated here and the general agreement would be that most people are in fact idiots (arrogant and all as that sounds - it's born out by the f*cking disgrace of a society we live in).

But I think that need to fit in a lot of the time overrides the thought processes for most people, and stops them making the right decision.

jtsuited

conformity?

joker77

ha.

That'd be it alright

kunst nugget

jtsuited wrote: »

Fcuk this lads, this forum needs a resurrection. We need Is Mise, Ianuss, Joker, Milltown, Andy and the rest to get into a massive argument. I'll get the ball rolling........

This country's people voted in such a way for so long that they have got what they deserved, and to suddenly go on about how 'this country was ruined by bankers and crooked politicians' is silly.

It was a perfect storm of idiocy to be honest. Cheap credit flooding into banks desperate to loan it out to spastics with no sense while the government displayed no touch regulation. While we knew our politicians were a bunch of dipsticks we had a childlike trust in the banks that they would look after us. I mean the blue chip status accorded to these fúckers led us to believe in their stability and cautiousness. So when they started handing out money left, right and centre while the politicians basked in the glow of the celtic tiger and let them go about their business without questioning it, most people felt that was how things were going to naturally be from now on and decided to lose a fair few IQ points along the way. Idiot politicians, idiot bankers and idiot people.

But I do have to say I fücking hate the phrase 'Ah, we lost the run of ourselves…' It's as if people think it's right that we should all collectively suffer as some sort of act of penance for the fact that we 'got above our station.' What a utterly, utterly catholic notion.

jtsuited

you bring up something i've been thinking about recently.

A lot of people have this idea of 'the mainstream' and then 'the marginalised fringes'.

now, I've been an atheist since I was 10, I went to a catholic school, was into music, etc., and I've always made sure to not feel like an outsider. If I'm in a room full of conservative Christians (as in the perpetuators of the Status Quo) etc., I don't mind being the one who is outnumbered in an argument.

I find a lot of people just stay shtum in order to 'keep the peace', and are quiet sorts when it comes to arguing with people over societal issues.
It's why I'm so vocal about my atheism. I try to make opinions based on facts and evidence. Opinions based on evidence and rational thought should be the Status Quo as opposed to just the prevailing schools of thought amongst the academics or 'intellectuals'.

It's sort of funny the way over the last few years the term 'nerd' or 'geek' has become completely complimentary as opposed to derisory. If you were out socialising and some dude came up to you and said 'well I'm into astrophysics' a lot of people would be like 'woah cool, tell us about it'.

I actually think there's a weight of responsibility on science people to make sure there is a public engagement on the topic. That's why I greatly admire people like Dawkins. Or yer man Brian Cox. The popularisers of rationality are going to be of great societal importance in the future, so that 'mainstream society' is no longer influenced by religious ignorance or general human silliness, but by logical rational discussion.

jtsuited

I'm also genuinely of the opinion, that forums die without argument. argument is good. people need to argue more.

I have to say one of my favourite parts of medicine is the way that if someone presents a paper, everyone is invited to tear into it, find holes in it, and basically just point out everything that is wrong with the research. Because it yields better results over the long term. Our life expectancy being as high as it is, is a a direct result of millions of hours of people criticising other people's work. think of that.

kunst nugget

jtsuited wrote: »

I'm also genuinely of the opinion, that forums die without argument. argument is good. people need to argue more.

Argument on the internet only works when you're not dealing with someone who is convinced of their own complete infallibility. And knob jokes. Very important...

jtsuited

kunst nugget wrote: »

Argument on the internet only works when you're not dealing with someone who is convinced of their own complete infallibility.

it's very difficult to remain of the opinion you are infallible though if you are just presented with a very strong well worked out argument contrary to your opinion though.

kunst nugget

jtsuited wrote: »

it's very difficult to remain of the opinion you are infallible though if you are just presented with a very strong well worked out argument contrary to your opinion though.

But that's the problem with a lot of heads out there. If I get something wrong I'm happy to admit it but there's people who don't care what evidence they get to the contrary they will not admit they are wrong.

I'm friends with one of the missus' cousin and she's dog mad. She put up something about this 'Save Lennox' campaign in Belfast. Have any of you heard about it? Basically, a pitbull type was taken off a family, deemed to be dangerous and was put down by Belfast City Council. I read through a piece about it, check out the law regarding banned dogs and said I think Belfast City Council didn't do anything wrong. All that I got back about it was absolute bullsh¡t from pet nazis about what a disgrace it was, a travesty of justice, etc.

Everyone of the ****ers had read what the Save Lennox campaign had written on the subject but not one of them had actually read what the law is on dangerous dogs. It was absolutely incredible and they all refused to actually entertain any of what I was saying based on 'facts' or 'law'. I'm now fully convinced that there is a type of pet owner out there who is more retarded than fundamental christians.

ianuss

joker77 wrote: »

Ok, I'll try this take on it jt

Irish people have a MAJOR problem with taking personal responsibility, and like to complain an awful lot about things rather than trying to change things.

While I kind of agree, I think the real problem in this country is the absolute non-existence of accountability, right across the board. In both business and political life it's like a cancer. It's absolutely shameful.

I could write a thesis on it. Even if you only look at the past few months you have Mick Wallace. A man who admitted on national radio that he KNOWINGLY underpaid VAT (committed fraud), because if he declared the correct rates, he would have gone out of of business. Yeah Mick, that's how business works! Nothing is done. Stays in his position, retains his salary and future pension rights. Wallace was a story in the media for a week. Then it's forgotten about. The man is a criminal. This is just a crazy, crazy scenario.

Then you have Joe Higgins, a man I used to have complete respect for, and he's defending Wallace. Saying it's the people (voters) of Wexford that Wallace is accountable to, not the nation. And Joe Higgins then, about a week later admits to fraudulently using govt. expenses to travel to events around the country. He tries to claim that he was within his rights as his party is a small party and he couldn't go otherwise. When it's pointed out that this use of the expenses is clearly NOT covered by Dail legislation, again, nothing gets done. It's almost a non-story. And again, he's stealing from the State - nothing gets done.

And that's before I even mention Denis O'Brien, Michael Lowry, Ivor Callely or Bertie. This is just the last couple of months.

Or going further back..... any of the banking related figures, the law firms or audit firms who acted completely incompetently without ever having to face an examination of their practices. Those same audit firms are now advising NAMA and getting paid enormous sums of money. (BTW, the average salary in NAMA is over €100,000. AVERAGE salary for ~200 people is €100,000.)

If you look across the Irish Sea at Britain. If you get caught there, you're out. Diamond got bombed as soon as the sh1t hit the fan over the LIBOR rates. Politicians are regularly bombed for getting caught up in any scandal. And when you compare that to the complete disregard for the rule of law and absence of any sort of ethical standards in Ireland it becomes rage inducing. The mainstream media in this country have to take a HUGE part of the blame. The lack of reporting is mind boggling at times.

There's an acceptance in this country of shockingly poor standards in all walks of life, media, sports, health services, transport etc etc etc.

And as for trying to effect change, it is virtually impossible. There is widespread acceptance that this is just the way things are.