You are not a f*cking DJ. You’re an overpaid, untalented, cake-throwing c*nt.

joker77

Android 666 wrote: »

That's why you have to get out an vote, an apathetic voting public is like manna from the heavens for those fookers…

I know it has to be done, but it doesn't seem to matter what gobaloon gets into power, we still end up getting fúcked.

francois

joker77 wrote: »

I know it has to be done, but it doesn't seem to matter what gobaloon gets into power, we still end up getting fúcked.

Not sure about that, a protest vote, or even a spoil is worth doing. I'd prefer if we had a proper re-alignment in politics FF/FG should merge to form one party, otherwise this riduclous tweedledumb/tweedledumber civil war ****e will continue

We need to give local councils proper powers, otherwise we just get a succession of mediocre parish pump stroke merchants like that gob****e healy-rea who oon tv last night said he was removing support of the govt for the people of kerry-I'd have thought the national crisis was a tad more important-TD's should focus on national issues

We need an end to political dynasties, i'm fed up with mediocrities in the Dail, there just because the father/brother/uncle was there

Anyone heading to the march on saturday?

joker77

I've a commitment to go on a charity cycle on Saturday for the Movember thing, but I'd like the chance to protest.

Where, when, and who's organising?

francois

joker77 wrote: »

I've a commitment to go on a charity cycle on Saturday for the Movember thing, but I'd like the chance to protest.

Where, when, and who's organising?

It's nominally ICTU, though I suspect there'll be a large turnout-Departs Wood Quay at 12 on Saturday...plus there is a record fair on in film base!

Android 666

joker77 wrote: »

I know it has to be done, but it doesn't seem to matter what gobaloon gets into power, we still end up getting fúcked.

We're fooked for the next few years no matter who gets into power that is a given but we can't use that as an excuse not to vote. The idea that Fianna Fail have fooked things up so badly that nobody can fix it without pain to the electorate should be enough to spur us on to ensure that they never get the chance to do this again! The notion that it doesn't matter who is in power should be wiped from everybody's minds now! Vote people, vote!

jimi_t2

http://www.rte.ie/news/av/2010/1122/thefrontline.html#

44:15 onwards - Malachy Steenson of the Workers Party having a nice rant. One of the most entertaining Frontlines this year; certainly better than the FF/FF/FG panel on Vincent Brown afterward.
http://www.workerspartyireland.net/id339.html

And another beautiful rant
''''Right pat, i'm off to sue an old lady about a field - I might get a million out of it''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y35zuWaMTPU

And, just to lighten the mood, Jimmy Carr absolutely destroys Pat Kenny. The A-Dolf comment just goes to show how awful kenny is at off-the-cut stuff. The phone call is absolutely priceless as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ffpFxlhsMA

Is mise le key

francois wrote: »

Not sure about that, a protest vote, or even a spoil is worth doing. I'd prefer if we had a proper re-alignment in politics FF/FG should merge to form one party, otherwise this riduclous tweedledumb/tweedledumber civil war ****e will continue

Well then we would all be rightly fooked, FG, a bunch of right wingers in power as one with the most corrupt party in the state!!!!!

francois wrote: »

We need an end to political dynasties, i'm fed up with mediocrities in the Dail, there just because the father/brother/uncle was there

I hear that, it can & has been done but needs pretty determined & thankless work to break down an electoral area to see an alternative that hasnt inherited their political right.

francois wrote: »

Anyone heading to the march on saturday?

Hopefully

francois

Thats why I think we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to change things Key.
People need to start thinking politicallty-FF will be out for a generation, Lab should not go into coalition with FG,

joker77

francois wrote: »

Thats why I think we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to change things Key.
People need to start thinking politicallty-FF will be out for a generation, Lab should not go into coalition with FG,

Will Labour have a choice though? It'll either be them or FF.

Greens are gone. I'd say there'll be nothing left of that party after the next election.

francois

joker77 wrote: »

Will Labour have a choice though? It'll either be them or FF.

Greens are gone. I'd say there'll be nothing left of that party after the next election.

I like the idea of Fintan O'Toole, where we should be given a choice on what we are going to pay private bond holders-worth a read

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/1123/1224283932871.html

jimi_t2

francois wrote: »

Thats why I think we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to change things Key.
People need to start thinking politicallty-FF will be out for a generation, Lab should not go into coalition with FG,

Fianna Fail are guaranteed at least 30 seats; probably closer to 40 by the time an election rolls around. They're undeniably crippled but you're basically going to end up with a lot of FF TDs from Rural areas who've been looking out for the local interest and basically acting as county councillors for the last 2 decades going ''independent'' or pulling the nepotism card out for their son/daughter etc... a la Healy Ra.

The majority of Munster constituents find it incomprehensible to vote with any sort of national interest in mind.

Re: The Greens - They'll always get some scrap of the student/crusty/eco vote regardless of their nonsense policies simply because they're somewhat ''trendier'' than the other parties. I realise how trite this sounds but the polls reflect this. They won't quite go the way of the PDs but will probably end up not far above the WP/SWP/Monster Raving Loony Party.

That said, having watched Gormly on VB last night I'd have to say that he, at least, is guaranteed some major role in the coming years. Sure he ****ed the country for his own agenda and undoubtably the greens and FG agreed this ''revolt'' last weekend and purposely kept FF out of the loop (contrary to Leo Varadkar's denial of same last night). However, the sheer brazeness of the man in an interview is something to behold; he's definitely a smooth operator and a statesman through and through, pity he's on the wrong side.

joker77

Has anyone read Fintan O'Toole's new book - Enough is Enough: How to Build a New Republic?

joker77

francois wrote: »

I like the idea of Fintan O'Toole, where we should be given a choice on what we are going to pay private bond holders-worth a read

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/1123/1224283932871.html

He makes sense alright, but a lot of what he says is pie in the sky stuff. It shouldn't be, but the reality of the situation means it is.

He was very good, as usual, on Frontline last night. Then he started on about suspending the government, getting a temporary administration in made up of qualified specialists to tide things over until we had a major overhaul of the political system. I completely agree with the man, but all Kenny had to say was that they had no mandate (i.e. they weren't elected) and then completely gloss over his points.

The only mandate for something like this would be if the people actually stormed the Dail and seized power. The army would then step in though.

Is mise le key

francois wrote: »

Thats why I think we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to change things Key.
People need to start thinking politicallty-FF will be out for a generation, Lab should not go into coalition with FG,

Indeed, what is the best & most likley to happen is a mass defection from FF voters to labour, they certainly wont vote FG based on the civil war still having an influence. So if there is a mass sway to the left from traditional FF voters then it may very well be a Labour led government as the bigger party.

joker77

Found some info on the protest on Saturday:

http://www.ictu.ie/november27/routemap.html

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=111897895543876

jtsuited

I'm fairly sure I remember labour announcing that should there be an election, they will have enough candidates running in EVERY constituency to secure a near majority in the Dail. If they did that, I reckon they would actually get the near majority.

jimi_t2

Is mise le key wrote: »

Indeed, what is the best & most likley to happen is a mass defection from FF voters to labour, they certainly wont vote FG based on the civil war still having an influence. So if there is a mass sway to the left from traditional FF voters then it may very well be a Labour led government as the bigger party.

I'm a labour man through and through, as are all my immediate family, but I really can't see a mass sway from FF to Labour. Traditional FF voters, despite the civil war, will probably see FG as the closest alternative. It sounds counter-intuitive but Irish politics has often been the case of ''better the devil you know''.

Similarly I find if hard to comprehend that people might go from Lenihan to Joan Burton as Finance Minister for example. She's possibly one of the most empathetic people in the Dail and has genuine concern for the working classes as well as a very good grasp of economic matter, but cannot seem to come across well at any stage nor command any major respect in the Dail whatsoever.

In fact, the only female member of Dail who consistently comes across as a ''statesman'' is Hanafin - and I think there's a good chance she'll end up leading the remaining tatters of FF if it comes to it. A quick google shows that she's indicated interest and all

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1123/politics.html

As biased as I am (or because of it) I think that Labour has probably done the most good in this country in the last decade, especially the likes of Ruari Quinn and the Corporate Tax rate. While I don't particularly agree with the mad Rabbittes attack on Pat Carey recently, it was certainly justified.

Is mise le key

jtsuited wrote: »

I'm fairly sure I remember labour announcing that should there be an election, they will have enough candidates running in EVERY constituency to secure a near majority in the Dail. If they did that, I reckon they would actually get the near majority.

They are running 65 candidates.

jimi_t2 wrote: »

I'm a labour man through and through, as are all my immediate family, but I really can't see a mass sway from FF to Labour. Traditional FF voters, despite the civil war, will probably see FG as the closest alternative. It sounds counter-intuitive but Irish politics has often been the case of ''better the devil you know''.

Time will tell but FF/FG are deeply entrenched still in rural constituencies & quite a few if not a lot would see Labour as an alternative, again based on the history of the party IMO.

Android 666

jimi_t2 wrote: »

Similarly I find if hard to comprehend that people might go from Lenihan to Joan Burton as Finance Minister for example. She's possibly one of the most empathetic people in the Dail and has genuine concern for the working classes as well as a very good grasp of economic matter, but cannot seem to come across well at any stage nor command any major respect in the Dail whatsoever.

I'll be voting labour but Joan Burton comes across as a whingy old maths teacher and not as empathetic. She has a moany voice that stabs my brain and a face that constantly looks like she just got slapped with a wet fish. I think that Labour might be in a better position with somebody else in that role.

jimi_t2 wrote: »

In fact, the only female member of Dail who consistently comes across as a ''statesman'' is Hanafin - and I think there's a good chance she'll end up leading the remaining tatters of FF if it comes to it. A quick google shows that she's indicated interest and all

Hannafin is a evil fooking troll of a women with nothing but contempt for the people she serves. I hope she is one of the first booted out. Her treatment of autistic kids in her time as minister for education is a prime example of that.

francois

jimi_t2 wrote: »

I'm a labour man through and through, as are all my immediate family, but I really can't see a mass sway from FF to Labour. Traditional FF voters, despite the civil war, will probably see FG as the closest alternative. It sounds counter-intuitive but Irish politics has often been the case of ''better the devil you know''.

Similarly I find if hard to comprehend that people might go from Lenihan to Joan Burton as Finance Minister for example. She's possibly one of the most empathetic people in the Dail and has genuine concern for the working classes as well as a very good grasp of economic matter, but cannot seem to come across well at any stage nor command any major respect in the Dail whatsoever.

Was a Stick myself, helped Gilmore out, left after the split when DeRossa et al joined labour, was disappointed because i cannot see for the life of me why labour should ever support FG, but that's an argument for another day!
Depending on how the polling goes, it will be interesting to see where disaffected FF voters go (mind you you will always get a numbskull core vote who will never deviate) not sure if they will transfer to FG, perhaps to the usual gene pool FF malcontents going on local issues

BaZmO*

francois wrote: »

(mind you you will always get a numbskull core vote who will never deviate)

That's one of the most infuriating things about politics, and something I will never understand. How people can continually vote for the same party regardless of performance is retarded.

Voting for someone that has continually failed to perform is just rewarding incompetence.

francois

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What annoyed me most over the past few weeks was John Gormley recently commenting on the issue of two paid garda drivers sitting in his chauffer while he cycles to parliament.

He pulled Vincent Browne up by saying that the car 'didnt follow him as he cycled' to which Browne replied that the car was still in use with two paid drivers at all times. Gormley simply said 'okay, well this has to change' - in November 2010?

Is mise le key

Jamie Future Needle wrote: »

What annoyed me most over the past few weeks

What annoyed me most over the past few weeks is that our country is almost on the brink of privatisation & we are subject to slavery to a private firm.:mad:

Is mise le key

francois wrote: »

Im feeling like a national campaign of grafitti is needed on all FF premises mirroring this above.

FU.CK you Deputy dempsey, FU.CK you!!!!!

Android 666

What annoyed me most is not being able to work out how the put the figs in fig rolls. Wtfig!!!

BaZmO*

francois wrote: »

What's a TRATIOR?

Is mise le key

BaZmO* wrote: »

What's a TRATIOR?

Its what a man in a hurry spray paints on a TD's clinic trying to spell traitor:D

Android 666

BaZmO* wrote: »

What's a TRATIOR?

An Italian style eating establishment. I thought everyone knew that… It's what Noel will be running come January.

joker77

What annoyed me most is that the political system has failed us so much that polls taken show that 48% of the people would prefer the IMF and EU Central Bank to be in control of our affairs. That is an outrageous statistic. The IMF have done a whole lot of harm where they've been around the world, people are either completely ignorant of this, or think it's the better of two evils. Either way, depressing stuff.

Next up would be the fact that all these negotiations have to remain secret. As I said last week, we will only find out what's really going on this week in maybe 5-10 years time.