LOI 7/5/2010

doncarlos

antomorro-sei wrote: »

LOL. No, no I'm not. I wasn't in the stand, I saw it from the New Stand and looked like you lot were starting trouble.

Way to back track, it went from we started fights with old men to it looked like we were starting trouble. There were four lads standing up one Dundalk fan and three pats fans and you drew a conclusion from the length of the pitch away that Dundalk fans were starting fights with old men??

antomorro-sei wrote: »

Obviously not though, because you said so.

Obviously not though because it didn't happen.

antomorro-sei wrote: »

I'm not gonna get into an argument with you about what Dundalkkk fans have done in the past. You know full well.

Your worse than my girlfriend when she says "you know what you did" when I haven't a clue what shes on about. :rolleyes:

antomorro-sei

doncarlos wrote: »

Your worse than my girlfriend when she says "you know what you did" when I haven't a clue what shes on about. :rolleyes:

Are you actually having me on?

stovelid

Maybe it was just a row over a discarded bottle of physeptone?

antomorro-sei

stovelid wrote: »

Maybe it was just a row over a discarded bottle of physeptone?

Haha

*checks pockets*

dreamers75

stovelid wrote: »

Maybe it was just a row over a discarded bottle of physeptone?

We throw them at linos afaik

more stupid midweek matches, play our A team tbh.


10 May 2010 Derry City 7:45 Finn Harps The Brandywell
10 May 2010 Dundalk 7:45 Sporting Fingal Oriel Park
10 May 2010 St Patrick's Athletic 7:45 Bray Wanderers Richmond Park
10 May 2010 UCD 7:45 Shamrock Rovers UCD Bowl
11 May 2010 Cork City 7:45 Limerick Turner's Cross
11 May 2010 Sligo Rovers 7:45 Letterkenny Rovers The Showgrounds
11 May 2010 Waterford United 7:45 Tralee Dynamos RSC

stovelid

dreamers75 wrote: »

We throw them at linos afaik

more stupid midweek matches, play our A team tbh.


10 May 2010 Derry City 7:45 Finn Harps The Brandywell
10 May 2010 Dundalk 7:45 Sporting Fingal Oriel Park
10 May 2010 St Patrick's Athletic 7:45 Bray Wanderers Richmond Park
10 May 2010 UCD 7:45 Shamrock Rovers UCD Bowl
11 May 2010 Cork City 7:45 Limerick Turner's Cross
11 May 2010 Sligo Rovers 7:45 Letterkenny Rovers The Showgrounds
11 May 2010 Waterford United 7:45 Tralee Dynamos RSC

It will be three games against UCD for us in the space of about 6 weeks.

dfx-

€15 out to the awkward UCD Bowl in the freezing cold for a reserves game...hmmm, the crowd attendance might not be the greatest ever seen

GLaDOS

dfx- wrote: »

€15 out to the awkward UCD Bowl in the freezing cold for a reserves game...hmmm, the crowd attendance might not be the greatest ever seen

Low crowd in UCD shocker

stovelid

Derry, Dundalk, Pat's and Rovers all through tonight.

dreamers75

about 300 at pats (thats generous tbh)

Why is it full price for this ?

2-0 pats felt sorry for bray tonight, they really are woeful.

Poor game both goals came from deflected clearances 1st being a for their keeper.

dfx-

Actually decent lot of Hoops there afterall, but still freeeeezing. I don't remember Danny Murphy being as good as he has been recently whenever he played against Rovers, but I'm not complaining. A great hassle/run and cross for Twigg..

Main thing though was the scandalous clamour for overtime amongst the local Gardaí..dog unit, police escorts for the no 10 bus home, police escorts from the ground to the bus stop..there were more Gardai than UCD fans.

The sight of the dog handlers standing on guard with their dogs ready as everyone left is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

antomorro-sei

dfx- wrote: »

Actually decent lot of Hoops there afterall, but still freeeeezing. I don't remember Danny Murphy being as good as he has been recently whenever he played against Rovers, but I'm not complaining. A great hassle/run and cross for Twigg..

Main thing though was the scandalous clamour for overtime amongst the local Gardaí..dog unit, police escorts for the no 10 bus home, police escorts from the ground to the bus stop..there were more Gardai than UCD fans.

The sight of the dog handlers standing on guard with their dogs ready as everyone left is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

Dog Squad was waaaaaaaaay OTT tbh. I was at the game, decent game of ball I thought, Rovers definitely deserved it, and had UCD equalised with that last minute chance, it would have been another half an hour in the cold.

stovelid

dfx- wrote: »

Main thing though was the scandalous clamour for overtime amongst the local Gardaí..dog unit, police escorts for the no 10 bus home, police escorts from the ground to the bus stop..there were more Gardai than UCD fans.

The sight of the dog handlers standing on guard with their dogs ready as everyone left is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

Bogger guards hoping for a bit of legal assault, no doubt.

dreamers75

antomorro-sei wrote: »

Dog Squad was waaaaaaaaay OTT tbh. I was at the game, decent game of ball I thought, Rovers definitely deserved it, and had UCD equalised with that last minute chance, it would have been another half an hour in the cold.

You do know Pats played on the same night?


Has Hooply converted another?

stovelid

Busted cheating on the wife with the mistress?

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Here's a good article with some excellent quotes from Ian Foster about the state of the league

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/fuming-foster-slams-crazy-fixture-pileup-2174930.html

Fuming Foster slams 'crazy' fixture pile-up

'I genuinely think if I knocked on the door at Abbotstown on a Monday morning, there would be no one in'


By Daniel McDonnell
Tuesday May 11 2010
FRUSTRATED Dundalk manager Ian Foster has launched a wide-ranging attack on the administration of the League of Ireland.

The Liverpudlian is one of many current bosses bemused by the crowded fixture schedule, which he attributes to the unnecessarily short length of the campaign. He is also confused by the league's approach to rules surrounding transfers and suspensions, in addition to the justification offered for the mid-season break.

Like a number of Premier Division clubs, Dundalk are in a run of nine matches within the space of 28 days. Last night's EA Sports Cup meeting with Sporting Fingal was their fifth consecutive outing on a Monday, in addition to their normal Friday fixture. Foster cannot understand the urgency to pack in so many fixtures, believing the product is suffering as a result.

"I can't believe they are all crammed into this stage of the season, that is crazy," says Foster. "I don't understand why the close season is so long here. From October 29 to March 5 is an unbelievably long time. If you look at England and Scotland, you finish in the first week in May and the lads are back in pre-season first week in July. Here, you could travel the world twice. In a car.

"Why do we have to be different? Why do the transfer windows have to be different? Why do the loan periods have to be different? Why is there so much trouble signing players? Why aren't the suspensions the same as anywhere else? When you get a player booked (and hitting the limit of four yellows), I have no idea when he will miss a game. You can't appeal anything. I genuinely think if I knocked on the door at Abbotstown on a Monday morning, there would be no one in.

"I'm putting the questions out there because I don't know the answers."

This League of Ireland season finishes a week earlier because the authorities want to avoid a clash between the FAI Cup final and an international week, similar to last year where the build-up to the final between Sporting Fingal and Sligo was overshadowed by the small matter of a Thierry Henry handball.

Abbotstown say that the two-week break in June is requested by the PFAI, as it gives part-time players a chance for some kind of summer break.

Meanwhile, the shorter length of the season reduces the annual expenditure for those clubs who pay players week-by-week rather than salaries. This is where Foster takes issue.

"The clubs don't decide when the season starts," he says. "We pay our players 40-week contracts. And everyone keeps telling me we are a professional club. No we're not. If you are a professional you get paid 52 weeks of the year.

UNEMPLOYED

"My players don't get paid for three months. So for nine months they're professional and for three months they are unemployed.

"If your player is on €40,000 a year he's on €40,000 a year, whether he's paid over 36, 40 or 52 weeks. And none of my players are on that by the way. In England and Scotland, your contract starts on July 1 and finishes on June 30. That's a professional contract. Everyone keeps telling me. Let's be professional. Why have November, December, January and February off?" continued Foster, who also cannot understand why the league's transfer window closes before the season begins.

"If you go to the highest level in the UK the transfer window finishes after the season starts -- a week after. It closes for permanent transfers. A week later, it opens for loans. Why can't we loan after the window? Galway, for example, have no goalkeeper. So they could phone us and say, 'could you do us a favour?' Why can't they do that? It was an emergency loan. But it's paperwork. So someone's got to do a job.

"I'm looking for out-of-work pros two weeks before the season starts. Why? I genuinely think they are restricting players' work. We signed a lad, Sam Malsom. On February 13, he kicked a ball for his local side (amateur club in England) to keep fit. Then he couldn't sign for me. That's an absolute disgrace. February 13! The season kicked off on March 5. That changed his status from professional to amateur. Now the kid is no longer even a professional footballer -- because the FAI deem him to be an amateur.

"Listen, they've got a great product here. I'm not saying that they haven't. I just think it needs to be more professional."

- Daniel McDonnell

Irish Independent

OhNoYouDidn't

Des wrote: »

Here's a good article with some excellent quotes from Ian Foster about the state of the league

Its garbage. Whining for the sake of it and blaming the FAI for Dundalks failings

Foster cannot understand the urgency to pack in so many fixtures, believing the product is suffering as a result.

It is at the request of the part time clubs like Dundalk.


"Why do we have to be different? Why do the transfer windows have to be different? Why do the loan periods have to be different?

Because our season is different.

When you get a player booked (and hitting the limit of four yellows), I have no idea when he will miss a game. You can't appeal anything.

This is a valid point however.


Abbotstown say that the two-week break in June is requested by the PFAI, as it gives part-time players a chance for some kind of summer break.

Meanwhile, the shorter length of the season reduces the annual expenditure for those clubs who pay players week-by-week rather than salaries. This is where Foster takes issue.

"The clubs don't decide when the season starts," he says. "We pay our players 40-week contracts. And everyone keeps telling me we are a professional club. No we're not. If you are a professional you get paid 52 weeks of the year.

That is a decision of Dundalk FC and no-one else. They chose a part time 40 week contract setup.

"My players don't get paid for three months. So for nine months they're professional and for three months they are unemployed.

That is a decision of Dundalk FC and no-one else. He is trying to blame the FAI for the way Dundalk structure their contracts?

who also cannot understand why the league's transfer window closes before the season begins.

Another valid point.


"I'm looking for out-of-work pros two weeks before the season starts. Why? I genuinely think they are restricting players' work. We signed a lad, Sam Malsom. On February 13, he kicked a ball for his local side (amateur club in England) to keep fit. Then he couldn't sign for me. That's an absolute disgrace. February 13! The season kicked off on March 5. That changed his status from professional to amateur. Now the kid is no longer even a professional footballer -- because the FAI deem him to be an amateur.

Its not the FAI's fault that one of his players registered and turned out for another side. Thats the players stupidity and indicipline.

"Listen, they've got a great product here. I'm not saying that they haven't. I just think it needs to be more professional."

Start at home Ian

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That is a decision of Dundalk FC and no-one else. He is trying to blame the FAI for the way Dundalk structure their contracts?

Isn't there a standard contract?

OhNoYouDidn't

Des wrote: »

Isn't there a standard contract?

Yes, in the template sense. How much you pay, how long for and bonuses/clauses are up to the club

The 40 week versus 52 week a year option is entirely down to the club (some clubs offer players 40 weeks worth paid over 52 weeks so they have a third option as well). So he is giving out to the FAI because Dundalk chose the part time approach and thats simply inane. Plenty of things to give out about in the FAI, but this isn't one of them.

doncarlos

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Its garbage. Whining for the sake of it and blaming the FAI for Dundalks failings

A bit touchy about Foster are we after he had the tenacity to criticise your fans?

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Foster cannot understand the urgency to pack in so many fixtures, believing the product is suffering as a result.

It is at the request of the part time clubs like Dundalk.

Really. Any evidence or links to reports to back this up?

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

"Why do we have to be different? Why do the transfer windows have to be different? Why do the loan periods have to be different?

Because our season is different.

So what? In England you can loan a player for a month. This can't be done in Ireland for some reason. Same with rolling contracts.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

"My players don't get paid for three months. So for nine months they're professional and for three months they are unemployed.

That is a decision of Dundalk FC and no-one else. He is trying to blame the FAI for the way Dundalk structure their contracts?

They'd get paid if the season was longer. TBH like most clubs in the league we probably couldn't afford to pay players without matchday income.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

"I'm looking for out-of-work pros two weeks before the season starts. Why? I genuinely think they are restricting players' work. We signed a lad, Sam Malsom. On February 13, he kicked a ball for his local side (amateur club in England) to keep fit. Then he couldn't sign for me. That's an absolute disgrace. February 13! The season kicked off on March 5. That changed his status from professional to amateur. Now the kid is no longer even a professional footballer -- because the FAI deem him to be an amateur.

Its not the FAI's fault that one of his players registered and turned out for another side. Thats the players stupidity and indicipline.

Yes of course it's the players fault but it doesn't excuse that the rule is stupid.

OhNoYouDidn't

doncarlos wrote: »

A bit touchy about Foster are we after he had the tenacity to criticise your fans? .

Did he? Can't say his utterings are important enough to me to even notice.

doncarlos wrote: »

Really. Any evidence or links to reports to back this up?
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It was in the article, but I remember it from the time. The FAI shortened the season at the request of the clubs (or a majority of them, I have no idea what way Dundalk fell on this)

doncarlos wrote: »

So what? In England you can loan a player for a month. This can't be done in Ireland for some reason. Same with rolling contracts. .

Fair enough at one level. But the FAI do review the league regularly, have Dundalk petitioned for a change in the rules?

doncarlos wrote: »

They'd get paid if the season was longer. TBH like most clubs in the league we probably couldn't afford to pay players without matchday income..

Fine. But thats Dundalk's call to make, not something the FAI imposed. Its baffling that he is in effect criticising his clubs policy in the media. If he wants to pay players 52 weeks a year, the chairmans office is that way -->

doncarlos wrote: »

Yes of course it's the players fault but it doesn't excuse that the rule is stupid.

No its not. You can only play for two clubs a year. Simple as that. Blaming the FAI because some player was dense enough to tog out for a second team while under contract is inane. Blame the player and make sure he has a proper training regieme close season.

He has a couple of good points, but its easier to blame the association than demand changes from his club, isn't it.

GLaDOS

Thought he made some good points myself

OhNoYouDidn't

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Thought he made some good points myself

There are some good points buried in there, but overall he is having a whinge for the sake of it. If he is that worried about players on the dole, give them better contracts. Its within his power.

antomorro-sei

dreamers75 wrote: »

You do know Pats played on the same night?


Has Hooply converted another?

Haha no

I'd an exam until 7:30 so just decided to go to the match after it.

antomorro-sei

Bohs just got dumped out of the League Cup by Monaghan United on penos.

dfx-

:D

bohsman

Great result.

stovelid

Shhh. It was part of a "tactical plan".

bohsman

Meh, we had the exact same discussion 2 years ago when Bohs lost to Derry. I dont care about the league cup, nor did I when we won it last season and with our ropey form the less distractions the better tbh, still, win a game in hand against Bray and we're joint top.

Did you honestly care when Rovers lost to Shels in the LSC? Theres nothing between the 2 competitions, we were never going to win 6 trophies this year.

As someone on the Bohs forum said, the biggest losers are Temple St hospital.

doncarlos

bohsman wrote: »

Meh, we had the exact same discussion 2 years ago when Bohs lost to Derry. I dont care about the league cup, nor did I when we won it last season and with our ropey form the less distractions the better tbh, still, win a game in hand against Bray and we're joint top.

Did you honestly care when Rovers lost to Shels in the LSC? Theres nothing between the 2 competitions, we were never going to win 6 trophies this year.

As someone on the Bohs forum said, the biggest losers are Temple St hospital.

Have to agree with this. I was hoping that we would be knocked out too. I'm still annoyed that Foster played such a strong team when we have a much more important game against Galway on Friday.
The league cup is a mickey mouse competition that most fans don't care about. I can't imagine fans of any of the traditional big clubs looking back and saying "do you remember that great league cup win in 2010"

OhNoYouDidn't

bohsman wrote: »

Meh, we had the exact same discussion 2 years ago when Bohs lost to Derry. I dont care about the league cup, nor did I when we won it last season and with our ropey form the less distractions the better tbh, still, win a game in hand against Bray and we're joint top.

Did you honestly care when Rovers lost to Shels in the LSC? Theres nothing between the 2 competitions, we were never going to win 6 trophies this year.

As someone on the Bohs forum said, the biggest losers are Temple St hospital.

While there is a grain of truth to that, there is still the obvious 'you would say that' line that I won't bother with.

Long and short of it, a close to first choice side lost to Monaghan with an energy sapping 30 mins of extra time on top of it. Obviously we are going to chuckle.

Lamper.sffc

bohsman wrote: »

Meh, we had the exact same discussion 2 years ago when Bohs lost to Derry. I dont care about the league cup, nor did I when we won it last season and with our ropey form the less distractions the better tbh, still, win a game in hand against Bray and we're joint top.

Did you honestly care when Rovers lost to Shels in the LSC? Theres nothing between the 2 competitions, we were never going to win 6 trophies this year.
As someone on the Bohs forum said, the biggest losers are Temple St hospital.

I would agree with most of what you said. Happy enough that we are out as well. I do think the League cup is a step up from the LSC though. I think a lot of managers do aswell. The team bohs put out against us in the LSC was a lot weaker (to say the least) than the one against Mons.

stovelid

Obviously the league, Europe and then the FAI cup is a higher priority, but I wouldn't sniff at an EA cup final against somebody like Pat's, Sligo or Dundalk. It would be a grand day out and decent publicity/occasion for the club.

dreamers75

Yay vs Sligo in Quarter finals.

5th time we will have played them this season.

dfx-

Derry away.

The Brandywell midweek..ugh.

OhNoYouDidn't

Whats all this about a B*hs fan getting arrested for racially abusing the Monaghan goalie?

I assume we will see the same outpouring of indignation from D7 we saw over the Ndo non-event?

Gavin "shels"

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Whats all this about a B*hs fan getting arrested for racially abusing the Monaghan goalie?

Over being Italian?

OhNoYouDidn't

Gavin shels wrote: »

Over being Italian?

Kind of. He used to play for Lazio and a bozo chanted "Roma, Roma" at him and the mule thought he was abusing him for being a Roma gypsy and lagged him!

Sickening stuff from the racist B*hs :pac:

Gavin "shels"

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Kind of. He used to play for Lazio and a bozo chanted "Roma, Roma" at him and the mule thought he was abusing him for being a Roma gypsy and lagged him!

Sickening stuff from the racist B*hs :pac:

Aw so your racist remake was a pish-take.

bohsman

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

While there is a grain of truth to that, there is still the obvious 'you would say that' line that I won't bother with.

Long and short of it, a close to first choice side lost to Monaghan with an energy sapping 30 mins of extra time on top of it. Obviously we are going to chuckle.

Absolutely, would have been good for the kids to go further like last season.

Nowhere near first choice tbh 3 starters started, 2 came on. No Keegan says it all.

Chris O'Connor (G) Very much 2nd choice
Paddy Collins (D) ?
Owen Heary (D) Really needs to find form if to be considered 1st choice, hasnt featured recently
Denis Moran (D) ?
Conor Powell (D) 1st choice albeit bizarrely dropped recently
Mark Rossiter (D) Not 1st choice, not the same since Salzburg
Gary Burke (M) Behind the 2 lads out on loan in the pecking order but looks decent
Ruadhri Higgins (M) Would like to see him be 1st choice but isn't at the mo
Mark Quigley (M) Not a winger but 1st choice atm
Killian Brennan (F) 1st choice
Aaron Greene (F) another one that deserves a chance tbh but not 1st choice

Brian Shelly
Raffael Cretaro