Pug wanted

Dannyboy1987

Hey Does anyone know where i could get a pug for free or very cheap ? even mixed once it looks more like a pug with the big eyes

Thanks

crotalus667

a very cheap pug would be about 5-600 last time i saw a cross on done deal it was about 350-450 the only place you are going to get one cheaper is either the pound a rescue

ps
They are prone to a lod of medical probs

Dannyboy1987

crotalus667 wrote: »

ps
They are prone to a lod of medical probs

Might just get another boxer so

My mam loves pugs thats why i wanted to get one , i'd even take one from a pound

doggiewalker00

I wouldnt recomend gettinga dog on the "cheap"
often thier inbred and will have problems with thier health.
the money you save at first,will be nothing like as costly as it will end up being.

More and more people should get rescues(you pay an adoption fee ranging from anywere from 50 to 250)
their are to many perfectly good dogs been put down every year becasue noboady wants them.

morganafay

I think unless you can find an adult one, you probably won't find one cheap. And an adult one for sale cheap might be an ex-breeding dog from a puppy farm and have loads of health issues. They're not that common so I think you'd probably have trouble finding one.

star-pants

I would second the 'don't get a dog ''for cheap''' because if you're looking at a purebred pug, if it's 'cheap' there's potentially something wrong with the pup or it's not purebred.
You might find one in a rescue, or you might find another dog like a boxer (I see you mentioned that) that would catch your eye.
If you're dead set on a purebred pug - you'll most likely have to pay the high price.

antocann

check donedeal, but for a cross its between 350-400, and a pug is between 550-800

i have a puggle myself , her name is daisy , theres some pics of her



not the best pic ,
she has lovely big eyes,
(and yes she is taking a dump)

andreac

I would avoid the likes of donedeal like the plague if you are looking for a pedigree dog. So many puppy farmers and dodgy breeders on it.
If you are looking for a pedigree dog contact the Pug Breed club who will put you in contact with reputable breeders.

Also you shouldnt be paying any sort of big money for a cross as they are really just cross breeds or mongrels at the end of the day. People crossing 2 diff breeds do not have the dogs welfare at heart, and only do it to line their pockets by putting a cute name like "Puggle" on them, which is just a made up name to help them sell quicker.:rolleyes:

If you want a cross breed then there are hundreds in rescue and the pounds which wont cost you 300-400 euro.

crotalus667

andreac wrote: »

I would avoid the likes of donedeal like the plague if you are looking for a pedigree dog. So many puppy farmers and dodgy breeders on it.

there are pleanty of legit people on done deal , what i will say is google the number , if it is a puppy farm it usealu comes back with a load of other adds

andreac wrote: »

If you are looking for a pedigree dog contact the Pug Breed club who will put you in contact with reputable breeders..

breed clubs are just that a club it does not mean they are reputable ,

andreac

crotalus667 wrote: »

there are pleanty of legit people on done deal , what i will say is google the number , if it is a puppy farm it usealu comes back with a load of other adds





breed clubs are just that a club it does not mean they are reputable ,

Sorry, but thats where you are wrong. Breed clubs are run by people who have the best interest of the dog at heart, which means breeding healthy dogs, running club shows and trying to encourage people to get involved with the club and know how to look after the breed. We do not encourage breeding unhealthy dogs and just breeding for the sake of it etc.
Have you ever been in touch or involved with a breed club?

Yes donedeal has some reputable but if you look at the amount of ads on the site with people selling on dogs for stupid reasons etc its not a site that i would recommend to anyone to buy a pedigree dog off. There are so many of these so called designer breeds for sale too and they are not responsible, reputable breeders imo, far from it actually.

crotalus667

andreac wrote: »

Sorry, but thats where you are wrong.

sorry but i am not wrong , just because people call it a club does not automaticly make it's members reputable

andreac wrote: »

We do not encourage breeding unhealthy dogs .

then explain the state of the pug breed ?? (and all the other breeds that have been interbreed for the sake of show instead of health)

LBD

crotalus667 wrote: »

then explain the state of the pug breed ?? (and all the other breeds that have been interbreed for the sake of show instead of health)

I have to agree with you here. We own two basset hounds and do everything we can to avoid them looking like what "breed clubs" would want them to!!! As a result we have two happy and "slim" basset hounds :rolleyes:

I'll never forget going to that doggy day out recently. My partner entered our younger basset into one of the shows for a laugh. He's actually the "fatter" of the two lads and the "lady" who was judging the show (she was from the kennel club or something) told my partner that doug would never win a show, he was far too underweight and not a "good specimen" of the breed to which my partner replied "I whole heartedly disagree with you and that is exactly why we would never put our dogs through the show world". She was not a bit impressed but we have no time for that attitude, there's an awful lot of snobbery in some doggy circles which I have absolutely no interest in.....we got our dogs as we are dog lovers and enjoy the fun, love and entertainment they bring into our lives. We did not get them so we can make money or win accolades off the back of them (that is my opinion though I would never judge someone else for doing differently). We are constantly stopped in the street by people remarking on how lovely and fun they are....thats praise enough for us :P

Oh and just to add one of the bassets was a rescue and the other lad we got from donedeal!!!!! Shock horror I know

LBD

antocann wrote: »

check donedeal, but for a cross its between 350-400, and a pug is between 550-800

i have a puggle myself , her name is daisy , theres some pics of her



not the best pic ,
she has lovely big eyes,
(and yes she is taking a dump)

Very cute!!! Nothing like a "dump" photo to get them to look at the camera

antocann

tnx LBD

andreac

crotalus667 wrote: »

sorry but i am not wrong , just because people call it a club does not automaticly make it's members reputable


then explain the state of the pug breed ?? (and all the other breeds that have been interbreed for the sake of show instead of health)

Well the club im involved in have reputable people involved and are there to support the breed and improve it and make sure no unhealthy dogs are bred from etc. Our members are vetted and so are potential homes of any of the pups that are bred by people involved in our club. I cant vouch for all clubs, but a lot of the clubs that i know and know people involved in them are the same.


I wonder where you come up with this interbred thing?? have you proof of this? or was it just because you have heard other people saying the same?
People seem to think that all pedigree dogs and ones that are shown are interbred which couldnt be further from the truth.
Id love to hear exactly where you got this info of interbreeding and where you can prove it.

Just because a dog is pedigree and is shown doesnt mean its interbred.

The puppy farmers are probably the biggest culprits of this. They are the ones producing all the unhealthy pedigree dogs and not having them health tested first, not the reputable breeders who health test their dogs.

I do agree that some breeds are in a bad way, the german shepherd is one and they need to be sorted out big time.

crotalus667

andreac wrote: »

Well the club im involved in have reputable people involved and are there to support the breed and improve it and make sure no unhealthy dogs are bred from etc. Our members are vetted and so are potential homes of any of the pups that are bred by people involved in our club.

you know i saw a docu with some one that claimed the same , after which another member of the club tryed to say breeding a father and doughter was perfectly fine :rolleyes:

andreac wrote: »

I wonder where you come up with this interbred thing?? have you proof of this? or was it just because you have heard other people saying the same?Id love to hear exactly where you got this info of interbreeding and where you can prove it.

The spca in a number of countrys (mainly the uk and us )have done extensive research into the subject if you care to drop them an email i am sure they will be only too happy to email you the results (they have been published)

andreac wrote: »

People seem to think that all pedigree dogs and ones that are shown are interbred which couldnt be further from the truth.

I never at any point said all pedigree dogs and ones that are shown are interbred but if you think it is not common place you are very much mistaken , out of all the pugs in the uk (40,000 iirc ) they have been so interbread it is the equivent of breeding out of a population of 20

andreac wrote: »

Just because a dog is pedigree and is shown doesnt mean its interbred. .

I never said it was , you are trying to create a straw man

andreac wrote: »

The puppy farmers are probably the biggest culprits of this.

thats debateable

andreac wrote: »

They are the ones producing all the unhealthy pedigree dogs

No they are not and if you belive that you have your head in the sand

andreac wrote: »

I do agree that some breeds are in a bad way, the german shepherd is one and they need to be sorted out big time.

it's more than just some it's alot , some are at the point where they are considered beyond sorting out

morganafay

I got all my dogs from ads in the buyandsell and they were all good breeders. You just need to make sure the breeder is good, by going to the home, looking around and asking loads of questions. Some signs of a puppy farm or bad breeder are dirty conditions, dirty puppies, dirty or matted parents, parents don't look like breed standard, they breed lots of different breeds of dogs, they don't know much about the breed and can't answer questions, they want to meet you somewhere or deliver the puppy, puppies unsocialised, parents nervous, not being allowed to see the mother and/or father, not being allowed to look around, puppy smelling bad, hearing a lot of dogs barking from somewhere outside or outbuildings or whatever, not registering the puppies, not having proof that the puppies are vaccinated/vet checked etc.

I think Donedeal has bad breeders and good breeders. If you go for one that's cheap that means it probably isn't registered, maybe there's something wrong with it? If it isn't registered then that's a good sign that someone just had a dog and decided to breed from it without really doing it properly. And it might not even be purebred.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

The Beeb did an excellent documentary on pedigree dogs. You can watch it on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbvv0vBf7t8&feature=PlayList&p=542E39AD912F0570&playnext_from=PL&index=1&playnext=2

morganafay

Sean_K wrote: »

The Beeb did an excellent documentary on pedigree dogs. You can watch it on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbvv0vBf7t8&feature=PlayList&p=542E39AD912F0570&playnext_from=PL&index=1&playnext=2

Thanks I'm going to watch it now.

I know some pedigree dogs have loads of problems, but hopefully most of them can be avoided by buying from good breeders who have the parents tested first. I'm so happy I got my Cavs from good breeders. They're 5, 7 and 8 and none of them have any health problems at all. They might develop heart murmurs later, but so far are fine. I'd still keep getting Cavaliers though, because they're such a great breed.

Edited: I just finished watching that and it was really upsetting.

But I still think I'd want dogs like Cavaliers as long as they were from good breeders and the parents were health checked. I know the pup could still have problems, but I think they're the nicest breed of dog there is and would never not have one.

But I would never buy a dog like a pug, shih-tzu, basset hound, or any others that are just physically deformed. At least Cavaliers can breath and run around properly . . .

I'm not opposed to breeding but I really don't see the point of dog shows and all . . .

LBD

morganafay wrote: »

Thanks I'm going to watch it now.


Edited: I just finished watching that and it was really upsetting.

But I still think I'd want dogs like Cavaliers as long as they were from good breeders and the parents were health checked. I know the pup could still have problems, but I think they're the nicest breed of dog there is and would never not have one.

But I would never buy a dog like a pug, shih-tzu, basset hound, or any others that are just physically deformed. At least Cavaliers can breath and run around properly . . .

Just for arguments sake......I was under the impression from a similar documentary which I too found very upsetting that due to breeding cavs are prone to fitting as their skulls are now too small for their brains?

My friend had a pug who lived a long life and had no problem running around at all, in fact try catch him!!! As I previously said I have two bassets and believe me they'd beg to differ with you on the physically deformed comment, they enjoy two walks a day and up the mountains on the weekends, they can run faster then me. I suppose my point is we all just need to be a bit careful with the "sweeping statements"

morganafay

LBD wrote: »

Just for arguments sake......I was under the impression from a similar documentary which I too found very upsetting that due to breeding cavs are prone to fitting as their skulls are now too small for their brains?

My friend had a pug who lived a long life and had no problem running around at all, in fact try catch him!!! As I previously said I have two bassets and believe me they'd beg to differ with you on the physically deformed comment, they enjoy two walks a day and up the mountains on the weekends, they can run faster then me. I suppose my point is we all just need to be a bit careful with the "sweeping statements"

Yeah I know, Cavaliers are a genetic mess too. When I got them I knew they were not the healthiest dogs but didn't know that much about all the genetic problems they can have (I was pretty young). I think buying from a good breeder then hopefully would help in getting a healthy one. I know that loads of them are meant to have these problems, but mine are fine, and my vet said that all the Cavaliers that she treats are fine except for one that has a heart murmur. But she used to work in California and loads of them had heart murmurs.

I don't mean all bassets, sorry. Just meant some you see, and same with shih-tzus and other breeds, and their legs look awful, like very deformed looking. My friend has one that's a year old and has spinal problems and hip dysplasia now, which is completely the breeder's fault. I know you can avoid these things by going to a good breeder too, but I just mean that dogs that have these really extreme physical features, I just wouldn't get one myself . . . Like some Cavaliers will have genetic faults and get illnesses, but I see having very short legs or a very short muzzle as a kind of genetic fault anyway. It might not really affect them at all in life though.

I just don't really like dogs with very short legs or with very squashed faces, or strange shaped faces, etc. I know Cavaliers don't look anything like wolves! but they do look quite balanced and "normal" if you know what I mean?

Except the Cavaliers in the documentary, the show ones, had really dome shaped heads compared to mine, they looked really different. So I think they'd be way more likely to have too small heads for their brains . . .

LBD

morganafay wrote: »

Yeah I know, Cavaliers are a genetic mess too. .

but I see having very short legs or a very short muzzle as a kind of genetic fault anyway. It might not really affect them at all in life though.

I just don't really like dogs with very short legs or with very squashed faces, or strange shaped faces, etc. I know Cavaliers don't look anything like wolves! but they do look quite balanced and "normal" if you know what I mean?

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You see I would have to disagree with you there. In my opinion Cavaliers are far from balanced looking, similarities exist between them and the bassets (although I dont think you would like to admit it ) They both have ears which are very long for their heads, admittedly the bassets to a greater extent but bassets are a much larger dog so its proportionate. However while the basset has a long muzzle and snout I would have thought the cav has quite a squashed muzzle......this is just the experience I have with them though, two of my aunties have cavs and when I think of them I think squashed muzzle and big beady eyes.....unfortunately I am probabaly biased as I'm not a fan of the cavalier I'd much prefer their cousin the cocker spaniel....although I never imagined having a basset hound I was always a "big dog" person....I grew up with collies, retrievers, all sorts of mixs. It was my fiance who always wanted a basset otherwise I would never have considered one and look at me now I have two :eek:. Never say never I suppose!!

We're going off topic anyway...who'd have thought a little pug could cause so much debate! Hope you find what you're looking for op!

morganafay

Oh yeah, I've seen loads of Cavs with pretty squashed muzzles and bulgy eyes, I hate that actually. Mine have short enough muzzles, but not very short. And they're eyes aren't really bulgy. I just meant Cavaliers aren't really really extreme, like some breeds can be.

I don't mean any offense to people who have the breeds, I just don't see the attraction. I look at them sometimes and think it just looks wrong. Not all of them, just when you see one that's really quite bad. Those GSD's on the documentary were awful.

Though my friends Basset Hound is actually really gorgeous!


And I forgot, one of my Cavs does have one problem. I don't know if it's genetic or not, but her bottom canine teeth are crooked and she sticks out her tongue sometimes. It's either her muzzle is too short and tongue is too long and her tongue made the teeth crooked (and that would be a genetic defect) or that she chewed stuff too much (which she did!) and made her teeth crooked and that's why her tongue sticks out. It doesn't cause her any problems, just looks silly. She's beautiful though.

I wish they were a healthier breed because I'm always going to have them, unless they get even worse genetically