Italian AltNets in €2.5bn FTTH Proposal For Large Cities

Sponge Bob

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-07/vodafone-fastweb-wind-invest-eu2-5-billion-in-grid-update1-.html

Vodafone Group Plc, FastWeb SpA and Wind Telecomunicazioni SpA will invest an initial 2.5 billion euros ($3.2 billion) with partners in a fiber-optic fixed-line phone network in Italy to challenge dominant rival Telecom Italia SpA.

The network will cover about 10 million people in Italy’s 15 largest cities within 5 years, the companies said in a statement today.



In a second phase, it may be extended to cover cities with over 20,000 people to reach about 50 percent of the population with a total investment of about 8.5 billion euros.

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I wonder whether BT and Vodafone could be "forced" into a venture like this here ????

rob808

I don't think ireland will ever see FTTH ever maybe in 20 years lol.I think eircom next NGB package be 10mb next we see that in other 3 years.They call it super super fast broadband while europe be on other side laughing at ireland and it smart economy.

Sponge Bob

Think of a 1/10th scale plan here. 1/10th the population and buildings at 1/10th the cost ....serving 1m people not 10m people.

The Italians reckon it could be done for €250m pro rata. UPC claim to have spent €330m to get a lesser result...not so much in terms of homes served but in terms of future expansion capacity

watty

Eircom's DSL is stuck forever at a peak 20Mbps+ for less than 15%, 1Mbps for upto 15% and maybe 7Mbps to 9Mbps on average. No connection at all for over 1/3rd users because they no longer have phone lines.

Unless they do at least FTTC/FTTK. Their NGB is nothing of sort, but NGN core/backhaul, which isn't NGN anymore as many people have it 100% for years already.

I think give the way we do stuff, 750M to 1B is a more realistic figure for the whole country.

bealtine

Wind CEO Luigi Gubitosi, Fastweb CEO Carsten Schloter and Vodafone Italia CEO Paul Bertoluzzo have presented a project for deployment of a new fibre-based broadband network across the country. The operators have also asked the government to back the broadband project by summoning all market players to participate in the initiative and help create a 'fibre company'. Vodafone, Wind and Fastweb have rolled out the first trial of the fibre network project in a district of Rome. The project involves the deployment of a single FTTH network. The project aims to connect 15 major Italian cities (with around 10 million inhabitants) within five years, as part of an overall investment of nearly EUR 2.5 billion divided among all the actors and institutions involved. In a second phase of the project, requiring overall investments estimated at EUR 8.5 billion, the network would be extended to cover towns with more than 20,000 inhabitants, reaching about 50 percent of the Italian population. The national project is open to all public and private operators, Telecom Italia included, which want to join the investment. Fastweb, Vodafone and Wind have already committed to contribute financially to future investments required by the project, as well as migrate all their customers to the new point-to-point network. The initiative includes the immediate launch of a pilot project in the Collina Fleming area of the Rome capital. The operators aim to connect around 7,000 households to the new network by July this year.

paulm17781

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Think of a 1/10th scale plan here. 1/10th the population and buildings at 1/10th the cost ....serving 1m people not 10m people.

1/10th the density too. That's the problem.

bealtine

paulm17781 wrote: »

1/10th the density too. That's the problem.

That's just an excuse that gets trotted out every time and simply not true either.

Let's examine this excuse:

Population Density (inhabitants per square Km, extrapolated from the
CIA World Factbook)
Ireland...57
USA.......31
Sweden....20
Finland...15
Norway....14


The Nordic countries have no problem rolling out FTTH.

Sponge Bob

bealtine wrote: »

That's just an excuse that gets trotted out every time and simply not true either.

Let's examine this excuse:

Population Density (inhabitants per square Km, extrapolated from the
CIA World Factbook)
Ireland...57
USA.......31
Sweden....20
Finland...15
Norway....14


The Nordic countries have no problem rolling out FTTH.

I think he means Dublin vs Florence or Cork vs Milan. Of course we are nowhere near the ambition of Finland where universal means universal.

The fact that much of the fabric of large Italian cities is protected architectural heritage tends to cancel out the higher population density.

Ya can't take the Kango to Venice

bealtine

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I think he means Dublin vs Florence or Cork vs Milan. Of course we are nowhere near the ambition of Finland where universal means universal.

The fact that much of the fabric of large Italian cities is protected architectural heritage tends to cancel out the higher population density.

Ya can't take the Kango to Venice

Dublin has a higher population density then Rome:) So that argument falls flat there too.

http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/largest-cities-density-125.html

Ireland is very good at dreaming up excuses as to why things cannot be done instead of just doing the
necessary things. Like the Irish definition of universal is "well maybe" , "if the moon is in the right position in the sky"
and many other all too familiar excuses. It all boils down to the same thing the lack of political will and foresight.

dubhthach

rob808 wrote: »

I don't think ireland will ever see FTTH ever maybe in 20 years lol.

To be pedantic there is currently 12k+ houses in Ireland that have FTTH, however it's such a minuscule amount it doesn't really count for much. Of course Magnet are going to be launching a 200Mbit/s product on their current FTTH some time in the autumn, no doubt to compete with UPC's new 100Mbit/s offering.

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/16151/comms/magnet-to-start-trialling-200mbps-fibre-broadband