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a new pistol format
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08-05-2010 11:20pm#1
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Xesse,
I've already been on to you about a proposal for a new smallbore pistol match format encompassing more disparate challenges.
As to the lack of NASRPC Prize giving - that is my fault.
I have been up to my eyeballs so have not yet ordered the new medals and there was a lot of rending of cloth and gnashing of teeth around the proposed handicap system so it got shelved. That is also now a re-work in progress.
B'Man
PS: When we get it sorted we must have a knees up and you can bring a wheelbarrow to haul your medals out of there (or at the very least wear a neck brace this time
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I'm in agreement with Sparks and B'man here (there's a blue moon event
). Legislative stuff has put sports stuff on the backburner and there aren't enough people to help with the normal stuff like getting medals and class prizes etc.
Running matches (as you know) takes time and energy as well, so actually doing development work always goes lower down the priority scale because by its nature there are no instant results and it's an open ended task.
What can the competitors do?
Simple stuff like phone around when there's a match on and get people to attend. You don't need a fancy title to do that, it's just a phone call or an email or a facebook post.
Association stuff is association stuff, it doesn't really exist at individual level; if you shoot pistol and there's a match on then you should go if you can. It's that simple. Likewise with rifle.
And try and support your dealers wherever you are. Along with the recession and the licensing problems, most dealers are on their knees. If it costs a quid more to buy your ammo from them, just ask yourself is it worth a quid to have them there near you providing a service?0 -
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Unless you held a C/F pistol license PRE 19th Nov. 2008 you are disentitled to apply.1) As and from the date of commencement of this section, no applicationfor a firearm certificate in respect of a short firearm shall be considered by an issuing person other than for
A) a device capable of discharging blank ammunition and to be used as a starting gun or blank firing gun
a short firearm of a type specified at paragraph 4(2)(e) of the Firearms](Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 (S.I. No. 21 of 2008) and designed for use as so specified.
C) a short firearm for which the applicant for the firearm certificate held a firearm certificate on or before 19 November 2008.Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County
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A few days could mean alot to some lads.
So let that be a warning to you.......... now ............ so there........... ya young pup ya ..................:p
Jaysus i'm bored.
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This refers to .22 and Olympic standard pistols I presume ( apendix b ) a short firearm of a type specified at paragraph 4(2)(e) of the Firearms](Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 (S.I. No. 21 of 2008) and designed for use as so specified. 0
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Horlicks!Or jingosim through lack of exposure.
I cannot believe that people would not like another challenge - if they would just give it a try.
B'Man
We shoot ISSF and NASRPC matches in Rathdrum, in fact we designed the course of fire for NASRPC benchrest pistol and most of our lads take part in those matches.
The primary issue is really about time available to people and the inevitable clashes that a busier calendar produces. How many times this year have we seen people complain about the fact that they can't be in two places at the same time?
People also find that shooting pistol one-handed at 25m too difficult; that's an observation I've heard on many occasions, they turn up once, have a go and then disappear. We've a few members who just won't do it, and some like me who don't embarrass easily
The other issue is specialisation; the demands of particular disciplines and the skillsets that are developed to be competitive can sometimes mitigate against other disciplines, so an air pistol shooter can't manage other disciplines that have heavier trigger pressures or involve recoil and still improve their air pistol scores. This is at the higher end of the scale obviously because at the lower end, that distinction is less stark. But equally a guy who's used to centre fire rapid shooting finds slow fire precision shooting counter intuitive to their existing skillset and often come to a point where it's an either/or decision.
This is in sharp contrast to rifle shooting. Rifle shooters, by and large can transfer quite easily from centre fire to rimfire and from sporting rifle to target rifle and vice versa very easily with no real loss of performance once the intial learning curve is completed. Pistol shooting seems to require a greater degree of specialisation. Discussions on this contrast have taken place on other fora such as target talk in the US where the lament was that the US which has such a huge volume of pistol shooters can't even come close to competing with the likes of the Germans or Russians in precision events.
Another issue is ranges and how they are set up. Some ranges can't do some events either because of their size, the equipment they have or their authorisation. People are not that inclined to turn up to an event they've never practised on their home range.
That's not even touching on the personal preference issue which Sparks alluded to.0 -
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I've seen my shooting fall off severely in the last few months because of things outside of shooting (work, money, wedding stuff and the like); I've seen that happen to a *lot* of other shooters too - the economic downturn hit a lot of people hard. Between that, the legislative/licencing issues, and the point that people have individual preferences, there's a lot of cause for a falloff in the last while. I don't think there's anything major that folks have failed to do.
As have I - had a new baby last year which cramped my style a bit - also had the legislative waffle, the furore over IPSC and the attendant gnashing of teeth, rending of cloth and politics taking over from the sport. But I still get out when I can and shoot every discipline I can. But that's just me.it's not down to the NTSA not running the right matches, it's just the rest of life being a lot of work right now.
This is not about who has done what - as the OP said - and I agree with him - there are a lot of firearms and not a lot of participation. This should not be about which association rounds them up. It should be about providing types of competition that attract all of them.
TouchéHorlicks!We shoot ISSF and NASRPC matches in Rathdrum, in fact we designed the course of fire for NASRPC benchrest pistol and most of our lads take part in those matches.
And you are to be applauded for it. Like I said this is not about what is being done - it's about trying to add something new - a new attraction for the great unwashed who do not compete.The primary issue is really about time available to people and the inevitable clashes that a busier calendar produces. How many times this year have we seen people complain about the fact that they can't be in two places at the same time?
A bit of co-operation between NASRPC and NTSA on calendar would iron out most of the clashes. Availability we can't do anything about.People also find that shooting pistol one-handed at 25m too difficult; that's an observation I've heard on many occasions, they turn up once, have a go and then disappear. We've a few members who just won't do it, and some like me who don't embarrass easily
So shoot pistol one handed at 3, 7, 10, 15 or 20 metres - when you're comfortable with it you may have a go at the 25m variant.The other issue is specialisation; the demands of particular disciplines and the skillsets that are developed to be competitive can sometimes mitigate against other disciplines, so an air pistol shooter can't manage other disciplines that have heavier trigger pressures or involve recoil and still improve their air pistol scores. This is at the higher end of the scale obviously because at the lower end, that distinction is less stark. But equally a guy who's used to centre fire rapid shooting finds slow fire precision shooting counter intuitive to their existing skillset and often come to a point where it's an either/or decision.
There are at most a dozen highly competitive individuals in each discipline and they are the ones who do shoot cross discipline. We need something to get more people involved. If they turn out to be competitive that would be good too.Another issue is ranges and how they are set up. Some ranges can't do some events either because of their size, the equipment they have or their authorisation. People are not that inclined to turn up to an event they've never practised on their home range.
So come up with disciplines that will work on the majority of ranges - don't do anything that limits the possibility of people doing it 'at home'
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Which was what benchrest pistol was about; getting people used to sighting and dealing with recoil with the stabilisers on as it were. A lot of people seem to have stopped there though, not willing or confiident enough perhaps in taking the next step.And you are to be applauded for it. Like I said this is not about what is being done - it's about trying to add something new - a new attraction for the great unwashed who do not compete.
Been there, worn the teeshirt and eaten the piesA bit of co-operation between NASRPC and NTSA on calendar would iron out most of the clashes. Availability we can't do anything about., even created a google calendar for NASRPC so that clashes could be spotted in advance and correlated with the individual clubs. But realistically speaking, clashes are unavoidable at this stage, there are just too many disciplines and not enough weekend days, we even had to run an eveing detail in Rathdrum recently to assist people who wanted to shoot in Midlands on a clashing date.
That's not as easy or as simple as it sounds. To maintain range safety and stay in line with the range safety template, it may not be possible to either move the firing point or the targets to facilitate this. Moving the firing line forward defeats baffling and noving the target line forward defeats range floor safety measures, even if it were possible, which in Rathdrum for example it is not.So shoot pistol one handed at 3, 7, 10, 15 or 20 metres - when you're comfortable with it you may have a go at the 25m variant.
Benchrest pistol should have been the catalyst here as it requires very little in the way of specialist range setup and can be shot at any distance, I know one of the problems is availability of targets; pistol targets are very expensive to ship because of their size. Currently, the whole licensing issue is putting people off investing or taking part until all the dust has settled as well as the costs of implementing the new range safety certification system.There are at most a dozen highly competitive individuals in each discipline and they are the ones who do shoot cross discipline. We need something to get more people involved. If they turn out to be competitive that would be good too.
So come up with disciplines that will work on the majority of ranges - don't do anything that limits the possibility of people doing it 'at home'
B'Man
Just keep running the competitions and encouraging people to attend is all we can do at the moment.0 -
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