Renault Fluence and Renault reputation (warning-old thread)

MoodeRator

:mad:
I am STILL waiting! on the verge of cancelling now.
Though i did like the way the interior is kitted out for the driver!

Pikasso

MoodeRator wrote: »

:mad:
I am STILL waiting! on the verge of cancelling now.
Though i did like the way the interior is kitted out for the driver!

Pity. Though if you are anywhere near delivery it will worth the wait!

flerg

Great decision made in buying the Renault Fluence top of the line Tom Tom. It's great in all departments, looks, cost 104 euro per yr to tax, over 1000km to the tank very roomy and super comfortable. We got our order in early and waited a wk for it. 19,500 euro total cost mud flaps and all.

http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01629/Renault-Fluence_1629544c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7680414/Renault-ad-banned-over-French-electricty-claims.html&usg=__TrRpbve7sMBo7FT8Sw1iz8-kA2Y=&h=288&w=460&sz=27&hl=en&start=13&tbnid=nsgl30Q3LyPRAM:&tbnh=108&tbnw=173&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drenault%2Bfluence%2Btom%2Btom%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D574%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C380&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=113&vpy=305&dur=9425&hovh=178&hovw=284&tx=167&ty=128&ei=QF5YTL-QKoiM0gS20JzrCA&page=2&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:13&biw=1024&bih=574

Dags

Has anyone had a orange warning ''check diesel filter'' on a fluence i had and took my car to dealer and power is not great since they gave a poor explanation of why it happened but explained well that i'd have to pay 65 euro

bazz26

Sounds like the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) is possibly blocked. Very common on modern day diesel cars, do you do alot of short trips in the car?

RedorDead

BrianD3 wrote: »

Re: sales figures, Renault was the 2nd best selling make after VW in Ireland in April. It's unheard of for Renault to sell more than Toyota and Ford in this country.

Probably because they are practically giving their cars away with discounts of nearly double that of competitors listed above. I am sure if Toyota or Ford discounted their cars like Renault do they would sell 3 or 4 times what Renault sell.

-Chris-

Wait until trade in time... Disaster!! :eek:

Leonard Hofstadter

RedorDead wrote: »

Probably because they are practically giving their cars away with discounts of nearly double that of competitors listed above. I am sure if Toyota or Ford discounted their cars like Renault do they would sell 3 or 4 times what Renault sell.

Even with all their discounting, they are still not selling as many cars as Ford, VW and Toyota.

These three makes have the volume segment in the Irish car market sewn up.

Toyota are well ahead this year, but of course their numbers have been well inflated because of all the new Garda cars that are being delivered (Toyota won the contract to deliver the current batch of new Garda cars) - then again Ford's numbers were inflated for many years too because most of the time Ford wins the tender for new Garda vehicles.

Dags

Dags wrote: »

Has anyone had a orange warning ''check diesel filter'' on a fluence i had and took my car to dealer and power is not great since they gave a poor explanation of why it happened but explained well that i'd have to pay 65 euro

What about the 5 year warranty? Surely they'd throw in a manual regeneration of the DPF for free on a year ish old car? If it's due to the driving style this will happen again..... and again. DPF may well pack up eventually.

joolsveer

bazz26 wrote: »

Anyone remember this yoke?

I had one back in 1987 I think. Drove to Saint Tropez in it. Not speedy though.

Leonard Hofstadter

Is the DPF included in the warranty?

If not, people are going to be spending a fortune keeping these yokes going in a few years time - people are buying diesel because of the €104 tax and not actually thinking about the consequences of a DPF packing in because the car gets driven around town all the time / driven too gently or the DMF going.

Diesel works for some people, but it is feck all good for a lot of people who predominantly use their cars for short distance low speed driving.

Is there a 1.4/1.6 Petrol Megane or Fluence available?

Leonard Hofstadter

There is a 1.6 which is in band D or else band E.

God bless Ford, for they do a simple 1.6 petrol in the new Focus, with no start/stop, direct injection, turbo, DPF, DMF and it sits nicely in band B:pac:;)!

Oh and it is available in 125 PS form too, so it's not slow either!

EPM

DPF should be covered under warranty alright. Mine was when it clogged due to a fault. I can see a major problem when the warning light comes on an people ignoring it. It comes on to tell you to take it for a run to force a regan. Leaving it go will mean it could clog up completely and require replacing far too early.

Leonard Hofstadter

EPM wrote: »

DPF should be covered under warranty alright. Mine was when it clogged due to a fault. I can see a major problem when the warning light comes on an people ignoring it. It comes on to tell you to take it for a run to force a regan. Leaving it go will mean it could clog up completely and require replacing far too early.

Given that a lot of people see servicing as an expensive waste of money, you can be sure that plenty of folk will ignore the DPF warning light as well!

EPM

In this country I can see Renaut losing their shirt on warranty claims. Same can be said for other manufacturers.

Leonard Hofstadter

EPM wrote: »

I can see the company that Renault Ireland have contracted to provide the last two years of the "five year warranty" losing their shirt.

FYP;)!

EPM

EPM wrote: »

In this country I can see Renaut losing their shirt on warranty claims. Same can be said for other manufacturers.

Not if they get away with charging €65 to regen a DPF on a newish car

EPM

RoverJames wrote: »

Not if they get away with charging €65 to regen a DPF on a newish car

I can see the thinking behind this if the driver ignored the warnings. But a forced regeneration is basically taking it for a spin with a mobile diagnostics until attached and pressing the button. A lot for so little...

ltdslipdiff

EPM wrote: »

I can see the thinking behind this if the driver ignored the warnings. But a forced regeneration is basically taking it for a spin with a mobile diagnostics until attached and pressing the button. A lot for so little...

Not necessarilly EPM, a forced regen involves running the engine at high idle and over-fuelling the injectors which dumps diesel in to the DPF which in turn ignites and burns off the soot/particles. The single biggest cost of this process is the requirement that the oil be changed after the process due to the ultra-high engine temperature experienced and the degradation of the engine oil during the cycle....

higginsshane70

Renault Fluence is something like cheaper option of Renault but i think it's great option if you don't have too much money and you want to have new car with everyting what modern car should have.
My father bought Nissan Tiida which is similar car for Nissan.

higginsshane70

higginsshane70 wrote: »

Renault Fluence is something like cheaper option of Renault ...........My father bought Nissan Tiida which is similar car for Nissan.

It's a booted Megane, class above the Tiida no matter how cheap it is.

EPM

ltdslipdiff wrote: »

Not necessarilly EPM, a forced regen involves running the engine at high idle and over-fuelling the injectors which dumps diesel in to the DPF which in turn ignites and burns off the soot/particles. The single biggest cost of this process is the requirement that the oil be changed after the process due to the ultra-high engine temperature experienced and the degradation of the engine oil during the cycle....

Oil change afterwards? Is it not the same process as the normal regen cycle that most cars do automatically anyway once the exhaust temperature is high enough (on a high speed journey for example)?

SlowRunnerMarty

Like Flerg I too bought Tom Tom diesel Fluence last year and I got far more extras and much better price than anything else on the market.
Im absolutely delighted with it and as I had an old 10 year old car I got the top of the range Fluence for less than 18K

Zubeneschamali

SlowRunnerMarty wrote: »

I had an old 10 year old car I got the top of the range Fluence for less than 18K

This is a point in Renault's favour: people trading in 10+ year old cars on a scrappage scheme may be more likely to keep the car long-term than folks who trade in 2-4 year old cars for a new model more regularly.

If you're keeping a car for 5 years plus, a low sticker price is of course good news, but low residuals don't matter so much, since the car is worth roughly 0% of it's new price when you get rid anyhow.

At €104/annum motor tax and decent mpg if you got 5 years troublefree from the €15,000 ones you got value/cheap motoring anyway even if you only get €3000/€4000 for it.

BrianD3

As implied in the last couple of posts, low purchase price generally results in low depreciation. It can be like banging you head off a wall in this forum when people start assuming that because a car is discounted and is a Renault that it will result in awful depreciation. The opposite is the case.

A 15k Fluence will depreciate less than a 20k Honda Civic. The Civic will be worth more than the Fluence after 1, 2, 5 years but it won't be worth 5k more. The longer both cars are kept, the smaller the difference becomes. It might be down to less than 500 quid at 10 years. If both cars do big mileage this could occur a lot sooner. Two cars worth feck all but one of them cost 5k less than the other as well as having a better warranty and better reliability (source ADAC, the current model Civic is a relatively unreliable car)

bazz26

EPM wrote: »

Oil change afterwards? Is it not the same process as the normal regen cycle that most cars do automatically anyway once the exhaust temperature is high enough (on a high speed journey for example)?

I think he means the additive that is used with the DPF. Eolys is the name of the additive used on the PSA HDi engines.

ltdslipdiff

bazz26 wrote: »

I think he means the additive that is used with the DPF. Eolys is the name of the additive used on the PSA HDi engines.

No there's no fluid used with the Renault DPF, I know the PSA HDi's use the Eolys fluid. The induced regeneration is carried out using the diagnostics clip in the workshop. Ideally this should never need to be done, but where regeneration attempts have failed its a necessity. Usually the start-stop driving syndrome causes this. The oil must be changed after a forced regeneration, you'd understand why if you saw the temperature readouts of the upstream and downstream sensors during regeneration ! The cooling fan is on full whack during the process. Haven't seen any of the Renault Euro 5 Engines needing a regeneration yet.....

Dags

captainspeed wrote: »

Is the DPF included in the warranty?

If not, people are going to be spending a fortune keeping these yokes going in a few years time - people are buying diesel because of the €104 tax and not actually thinking about the consequences of a DPF packing in because the car gets driven around town all the time / driven too gently or the DMF going.

Diesel works for some people, but it is feck all good for a lot of people who predominantly use their cars for short distance low speed driving.

That makes sense car is only 9 months old and have nearly 20,000 km done. I just wonder is diesel not a good grade ...watered !!!!!!!!!!

-Corkie-

Dags wrote: »

That makes sense car is only 9 months old and have nearly 20,000 km done. I just wonder is diesel not a good grade ...watered !!!!!!!!!!

The grade of diesel would have feck all effect of the DPF. The Diesel filter would hold any dirt or water. Its normally gets clogged from short slow journeys plus using the wrong oil type in your car but your car is new so the oil in not an issue. The moral of the story is drive harder..:)

Leonard Hofstadter

-Corkie- wrote: »

The moral of the story is drive harder and faster ..

FYP!

ltdslipdiff

Just curious OP, which of the following images was the light on the dash?

Guy:Incognito

EPM wrote: »

I can see the thinking behind this if the driver ignored the warnings. But a forced regeneration is basically taking it for a spin with a mobile diagnostics until attached and pressing the button. A lot for so little...

On the contrary it could be a bargain in the long run if they explain the reason it happened to the owner and they take heed.

slave1

Just back from a glorious month in Florida and picking up on the 5 year Renault warranty I had a Kia Sedona, grand car and noticing the ads in the paper Kia's come with a longer standard warranty than over here (7 years I think) i.e. 10 years, 100,000miles.
I thought now that's confidence, until I saw some ads from the local Kia dealerships on the local TV stations, if you buy a new model Kia they come with 20year, 200,000miles warranty, talk about long term confidence in your car after that!!!!

-Chris-

Warranty is just a variation on an insurance policy. A manufacturer or dealer could give you a 100 year warranty if they wanted, but they then have to make provisions for the potential costs of repairs and you can be sure you're paying for it when you buy the car.

ltdslipdiff

On mature reflection, I'd bet my hat on it being the diesek fuel filter rather than DPF that has been at fault here ! Please check with your garage OP and put me out of my misery !

the culture of deference

I have a new megane, 1.5dci, 5 year warr, I am getting 90km per gallon, 104 tax a year, service interval 2 years.

The car is fantastic, great road holding, safest in its class. If you are thinking of a new estate car for 16 and a bit grand you would be mad not to get this new.

Zubeneschamali

the culture of deference wrote: »

I am getting 90km per gallon.

My S-Max gets about 6 light years on a cubic mile of diesel.

Mr.David

the culture of deference wrote: »

safest in its class

Please elaborate......:rolleyes:

Leonard Hofstadter

the culture of deference wrote: »

I have a new megane, 1.5dci, 5 year warr, I am getting 90km per gallon, 104 tax a year, service interval 2 years.

The car is fantastic, great road holding, safest in its class. If you are thinking of a new estate car for 16 and a bit grand you would be mad not to get this new.

Two things:

- it is crazy to leave a diesel engine go two years without even so much as an oil change, regardless of what Renault say. Any engine, especially a diesel should at least get the oil changed once a year minimum.

- the Megane is NOT the safest car in its class - the basic models don't even have ESP as standard. The only other cars in the segment that don't have this life saving safety feature are the Skoda Octavia, Toyota Auris/Corolla and Peugeot 308. Everything else has this vital safety feature.

It's no good having all the airbags in the world or a five star safety rating when you don't have the technology that can prevent you from needing to use the airbags and five star crash test rating in the first place!

ltdslipdiff

captainspeed wrote: »

Two things:

- it is crazy to leave a diesel engine go two years without even so much as an oil change, regardless of what Renault say. Any engine, especially a diesel should at least get the oil changed once a year minimum.

- the Megane is NOT the safest car in its class - the basic models don't even have ESP as standard. The only other cars in the segment that don't have this life saving safety feature are the Skoda Octavia, Toyota Auris/Corolla and Peugeot 308. Everything else has this vital safety feature.

It's no good having all the airbags in the world or a five star safety rating when you don't have the technology that can prevent you from needing to use the airbags and five star crash test rating in the first place!

The new range of Renault Euro 5 diesels can get UP TO two years between sevices, obviously this is in the most rare of occasions where mileage is minimal and driving conditions are easy. There is an Oil Control System in the E5 diesels that monitors the quality of the oil and adjusts the service interval accordingly. I've yet to see a car go two years between services, its usually just a year/30,000 klms.

I agree with the ESP statement, its standard on all models of Fluence and I'd imagine it will become compulsory on all cars in the next few years, its a great bit of kit ! Its on the Dynamique upwards Megane.

Zubeneschamali

ltdslipdiff wrote: »

The new range of Renault Euro 5 diesels can get UP TO two years between sevices, obviously this is in the most rare of occasions where mileage is minimal and driving conditions are easy.

In which case your DPF will be clogged before the 2 years is up! :pac:

Yakuza

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

My S-Max gets about 6 light years on a cubic mile of diesel.

That's 7.343 l/100km. Is that around town or on the motorway?

=+((1760*3*12*2.54)^3/1000)/((299792458/1000)*86400*365.25*6)*100

Zubeneschamali

Yakuza wrote: »

That's 7.343 l/100km. Is that around town or on the motorway?

Mostly motorway, but I don't always strictly obey the warp drive limits.

By the way, you are sad :pac:

Yakuza

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Mostly motorway, but I don't always strictly obey the warp drive limits.

By the way, you are sad :pac:

Pfft, it's not rocket science

poolfandar

Has anybody got an up to date price or a recent price for a 1.5dci Fluecne on Scrappage? Was quoted €16700 the other day from, would there be any more room for haggling???

the culture of deference

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Mostly motorway, but I don't always strictly obey the warp drive limits.

By the way, you are sad :pac:

36,000 billion miles, pics or gtf

poolfandar wrote: »

Has anybody got an up to date price or a recent price for a 1.5dci Fluecne on Scrappage? Was quoted €16700 the other day from, would there be any more room for haggling???

Always more room to haggle, go to a different dealer

0279

Best car i ever had. i changed for a laguna. can't believe that it does so much and is so well quipped.

Pikasso

0279 wrote: »

Best car i ever had. i changed for a laguna. can't believe that it does so much and is so well quipped.

Woah! 2 posts in 7 years. Don't go over doing it now 0279 :D:D:D
Enjoy your Fluence