New fox rifle???

jimbrowning

hi lads. i,m changing my cz .22 mag. iv had it 4 years and love it!
i can put 5 shots in a 2'' bull at 100m. but dont like it for foxes out past that. getting a centerfire but kno dam all about them. read alot about the .222 .223 and .22-250. what price are they and what type of barrel you recon? all advice welcom! thanks

Rovi

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.223 seems to be the big favourite for foxes these days, but I'll leave the detailed discussion to the fox specialists.

Tackleberrywho

jimbrowning wrote: »

hi lads. i,m changing my cz .22 mag. iv had it 4 years and love it!
i can put 5 shots in a 2'' bull at 100m. but dont like it for foxes out past that. getting a centerfire but kno dam all about them. read alot about the .222 .223 and .22-250. what price are they and what type of barrel you recon? all advice welcom! thanks

.222 ammo availability is not great and not great selection.

.223 Ammo from €10-€30 a box 20 rounds Vast availability and vast amount of variations in ammo.

.22-250 classed as Deer Hunting Rifle at the moment, Therefore Licencing issues & Expensive ammo and limited availability as a result.

CZ or Remington offer the Cheapest Starting Rifles. ~€500-750
Barrels have different twists, but there is ammo to suit both twist rates.

.223 Capable of sub 1" ,5 shot group @200 yards

landkeeper

triple two is a lovely calibre i had one years ago and loved it , it can be hard to get ammunition for it in the republic
223 is a good calibre for foxes but noisy if your used to a mag you'll be shocked , lots of ammunition available for it from the cheap to the rediculous

Tackleberrywho

landkeeper wrote: »

triple two is a lovely calibre i had one years ago and loved it , it can be hard to get ammunition for it in the republic
223 is a good calibre for foxes but noisy if your used to a mag you'll be shocked , lots of ammunition available for it from the cheap to the rediculous

I'd deffo recommend a moderator/suppressor/silencer if you pardon the pun

bunny shooter

I'll add .204 Ruger or .220 Swift and you can pick up .17 REM for small money now

I recommend .204 Ruger if you want a good fox gun

jimbrowning

223 it is then.
just back from dealer. he offered me a howa 1500 .223 synthetic stock with a swift 4.5-14x 44 scope. he's lookin 1000e less 400e for mycz .22 mag. (v. good condition) making it cost me 600e.
how dose that sound????

bunny shooter

Ditch that scope, no experience with Howa rifles, calibre will do what you want

Feidhlim Dignan

jimbrowning wrote: »

223 it is then.
just back from dealer. he offered me a howa 1500 .223 synthetic stock with a swift 4.5-14x 44 scope. he's lookin 1000e less 400e for mycz .22 mag. (v. good condition) making it cost me 600e.
how dose that sound????

look around a howa lightnig can be got for around e650

Cass

A few similar threads. Makes for some NOT so light reading, but alot of answers and opinions.

Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3

Enjoy.

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

Ditch that scope, no experience with Howa rifles, calibre will do what you want

Howa are according to fergal White a brilliant design if you want to work on them in the future.

The scope will limit your potential though. You would want to spend at least €500 on a scope, otherwise you will never get the best out of the Rifle IMHO.

Especially if you want good light gathering ability for a fox. 50mm objective lens min IMHO.
A lot of good x-Celtic tiger scopes in circulation.

look around! or ask the dealer for a better scope. He will have loads in the shop on other rifles. Try and strike a better deal.

Rifle has great reports!

Cass

Some gundealers are running a deal where by you can get a Howa/Savage rifle, Swift scope, gun slip, mounts & rings all for €650.

Not 100% on the details or the calibers available under the deal, but a bloody good offer i think. Especially for newbies.

pajero2005

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

The scope will limit your potential though.

bunny shooter wrote: »

Ditch that scope

News just in:

Tack and Bunny in agreement shocker:eek::eek:

patsat

pajero2005 wrote: »

News just in:

Tack and Bunny in agreement shocker:eek::eek:

Ahh boards won't be the same without their differing opinions!

pajero2005

patsat wrote: »

Ahh boards won't be the same without their differing opinions!

.............and here was me sitting by the computer with popcorn in hand waiting for fight-night:D

Feidhlim Dignan

patsat wrote: »

Ahh boards won't be the same without their differing opinions!

not the same, but a better place where we all co-exist in harmony

Cass

pajero2005 wrote: »

News just in:

Tack and Bunny in agreement shocker:eek::eek:

Jaysus, what next ??????????????????????

Rovi

Feidhlim Dignan wrote: »

not the same, but a better place where we all co-exist in harmony

At the risk of taking the thread even further Off Topic...

Everybody: Hold hands.

All together now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1vr16j0CMw

Rovi

Feidhlim Dignan wrote: »

not the same, but a better place where we all co-exist in harmony

At the risk of taking the thread even further Off Topic...

Everybody: Hold hands.

All together now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1vr16j0CMw

Tackleberrywho

pajero2005 wrote: »

News just in:

Tack and Bunny in agreement shocker:eek::eek:

I always agree when a comment is correct !
I only disagree when I believe a comment is incorrect.

And I love Everybody!
coum buy ya me'lord!
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

bunny shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I always agree when a comment is correct !
I only disagree when I believe a comment is incorrect.

And I love Everybody!
coum buy ya me'lord!
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

And you've been wrong here quite a bit lately :P

Tac is learning from those who actually DO know more than him

Cum by aw me arse :pac:

Cass

Okay Rovi anymore of that nonsense and i'll report you to yourself, for cruelty to human kind.

To try and get back on topic here is my few choices, all of which are in .223 simply because i think it to be the most versatile and all rounder type of round/gun.

A) Tikka T3 Varmint -

CZ 527 - Kevlar -

C) Remington 700 -


D) Savage (any of the LRPV models) -

pajero2005

Although I have a .22wmr at the moment my ideal scenario (when the finances allow it) is to keep that for the bunnies and get a Tikka T3 in .223 for charlie.

I've been out a good few times lamping with a buddy who swears by his .223. I've seen him knock foxes on the spot from some IMO fantastic distances (about 150-180yds on a couple of occasions)

Also seems to be a great selection of rounds on the market for it.

I would however recommend a mod/suppressor for it. Massive difference in noise levels compared to a .22wmr.

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

And you've been wrong here quite a bit lately :P

Tac is learning from those who actually DO know more than him

Cum by aw me arse :pac:

And that ain't you by your own admit-ion, You questioned my Deer Hunting Techniques yet you openly stated you have never shot a deer on a separate Thread.
I know you like to wind me up, but I still love ya Bunny

I always learned from some great friends, some of whom you know, But I know them better and longer

Any time I need advice I ask those who actually know.
Not Hurlers on the Ditch
Now, Group Hug

Tackleberrywho

ezridax wrote: »

Okay Rovi anymore of that nonsense and i'll report you to yourself, for cruelty to human kind.

To try and get back on topic here is my few choices, all of which are in .223 simply because i think it to be the most versatile and all rounder type of round/gun.

A) Tikka T3 Varmint -

CZ 527 - Kevlar -

C) Remington 700 -


D) Savage (any of the LRPV models) -

OP any of the above will do the job.
Just buy what you think is best from your criteria.

bunny shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

And that ain't you by your own admit-ion, You questioned my Deer Hunting Techniques yet you openly stated you have never shot a deer on a separate Thread.

Where did I question your techniques ?

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I know you like to wind me up, but I still love ya Bunny

:eek:

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I always learned from some great friends, some of whom you know, But I know them better and longer

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Any time I need advice I ask those who actually know.

Your right

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Not Hurlers on the Ditch

Weird place to play. I used play on a pitch :P

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Now, Group Hug

Tac shall we make friends



:P

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

Tac shall we make friends



:pac:

Any lovin is good lovin.
It's ok to love me
It's ok to want to be more like me

Any time you want to bury the hatchet you are very welcome in my house.

jimbrowning

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Howa are according to fergal White a brilliant design if you want to work on them in the future.

The scope will limit your potential though. You would want to spend at least €500 on a scope, otherwise you will never get the best out of the Rifle IMHO.

Especially if you want good light gathering ability for a fox. 50mm objective lens min IMHO.
A lot of good x-Celtic tiger scopes in circulation.

look around! or ask the dealer for a better scope. He will have loads in the shop on other rifles. Try and strike a better deal.

Rifle has great reports!

can you give me the name of a scope or 2 you wud recomend. cant afford anytin in 500e range just yet. 300-350e tops.
thanks

Tackleberrywho

jimbrowning wrote: »

can you give me the name of a scope or 2 you wud recomend. cant afford anytin in 500e range just yet. 300-350e tops.
thanks

Roughly your price guide with VAT & CCT.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/nikon-4-12x50-buckmasters-riflescope.html

I'll have a look for irish sites but thats the kind of area you are in.
Weaver, Burris, leupold, and many second hand Pecar or other german austrian old model scopes second hand scopes

Make sure you look at the glass and see that somebody did not use sand paper to clean it

johngalway

jimbrowning wrote: »

hi lads. i,m changing my cz .22 mag. iv had it 4 years and love it!
i can put 5 shots in a 2'' bull at 100m. but dont like it for foxes out past that. getting a centerfire but kno dam all about them. read alot about the .222 .223 and .22-250. what price are they and what type of barrel you recon? all advice welcom! thanks

The price of the rifle itself isn't the big consideration, it's the cost of the ammo you'll be shooting from there on out. Maybe it'll like the €13 a box cheap stuff and maybe it'll like the €30 a box stuff like mine :rolleyes:

Remington, CZ, Tikka, Sako are all good rifles. Of course, there are others, they're just the ones I'm familiar with. I have heard good things about Howas.

I'd go along with the lads in ditching that scope. I'm more interested in the wallet abusing end of the scope market so I won't go suggesting on mid range scopes.

Depending on how accurate you and your rifle will become, 100 yards is a close in shot Walk before you run, keep things sensible at the start and learn yourself and yer gun.