FF long term election strategy & 2016 celebrations

goose2005

mcmickey wrote: »

FF will be back in power in 2017 ( not that I'm looking foward to it :mad: ) After we ahve 4 years of a similiar fiasco from FG and Labour, FF will be back, like it or not. It's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

But think of all the dyed-in-the-wool FFers who'll die 2010-17.

mcmickey wrote: »

I would have thought that the f**Kin idiots were the British soldiers killed and wounded who fought against them as 1916 rising gave rise to the objectives of the leaders - breaking away from British rule for independence.

Even the unarmed culchies who were Dublin police officers? Or the Shropshire peasants' sons who knew nothing about "Paddy" and his nation?

Do you think all military commerations are " celebrating a mindless suicide pact " or just Irish ones ?

Most of them are, in fairness.

PomBear

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Exavctly isnt that what i said??

Well by that logic Arthur Griffith set up Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael

PomBear

trapsagenius wrote: »

The world isn't split between socialists and capitalists, you know.

No but the 1916 leaders had socialist roots and was potrayed in a socialist document, my point was they were nothing but socialist

LordSutch

mcmickey wrote: »

But I'll tell you what a mindless suicide pact is, the idiots from the36th Unionist divisionwho tried to run the machine guns down at the battle of the Somme

Certainly not very smiley :cool:

paddyland

RATM wrote: »

nah extinction is a long way off for FF- even now they are at their lowest ebb and they are still polling 20-23% or so. That seems to suggest that the party have a very loyal base who would put them back in power irrespective of how bad the economy party is.

FYP

In fact why bother having the expense of general elections at all. FF supporters seem to think they have grandfather rights over the running of the country. If we were going to put them back in every time, regardless of how corrupt and self serving and immoral they are, then we might as well save the expense, and sit at home and have a nice cup of tea, and leave FF to bleed the dregs of the country for themselves.

Hands up who's for abandoning democracy and simply returning FF automatically every time, giving them a clap on the shoulder, and saying not to worry lads, sure maybe you'll get it right next time? The Berties and the Seanies and the Fingletons seem to have done all right for themselves, so FF can't be ALL bad...

We declare the right of [a small band of] the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies... etc.

hallelujajordan

anymore wrote: »

I wonder if FF are really looking forward to the people of 1916 being compared with Haughey, Bertie Ahern, John O Donogue, Willie O Dea, Beverly Cooper Flynn etc ?

If you are talking about their impact on Irish history and how they will be remembered in generations to come . . I think Bertie Ahern will compare very favourably as the man who, along with Adams, Hume, Blair and Trimble delivered permanent peace in Northern Ireland after a century of division and unrest. . .

LordSutch

hallelujajordan wrote: »

If you are talking about their impact on Irish history and how they will be remembered in generations to come . . I think Bertie Ahern will compare very favourably as the man who, along with Adams, Hume, Blair and Trimble delivered permanent peace in Northern Ireland after a century of division and unrest. . .

Not sure I'd compare Adams achievements 'very favourably' in the same breath.

loldog

Camelot wrote: »

Not sure I'd compare Adams achievements 'very favourably' in the same breath.

I would, because he had to travel a lot farther than most from his original position. Same goes for Paisley and Peter Robinson.

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hallelujajordan

Camelot wrote: »

Not sure I'd compare Adams achievements 'very favourably' in the same breath.

Nor would I personally, but history will . . just like history has forgotten the cold blooded killings carried out by Michael Collins and his men.

LordSutch

loldog wrote: »

I would, because he had to travel a lot farther than most from his original position. Same goes for Paisley and Peter Robinson. .

But Paisley & Robinson were not part of a Terrorist network, they never failed to comdemn bombings & murders during the troubles, whereas Adams murky past includes actually being involved with the PIRA, hence my demarcation between him, and Trimble, Paisley, Hume, Ahearn, & Robinson.

Nodin

Camelot wrote: »

But Paisley & Robinson were not part of a Terrorist network, .

From the majority unionist community, Paisley was among those invited in 1956 to a special meeting at the Ulster Unionist Party's offices in Glengall Street, Belfast. Many Loyalists who were to become major figures in the 1960s and 1970 also attended, and the meeting's declared purpose was to organise the defence of Protestant areas against anticipated Irish Republican Army (IRA) activity, as the old Ulster Protestant Association had done after partition in 1920.[23] The new body decided to call itself Ulster Protestant Action (UPA), and the first year of its existence was taken up with the discussion of vigilante patrols, street barricades, and drawing up lists of IRA suspects in both Belfast and in rural areas.[24][25]
Even though no IRA threat materialised in Belfast, and despite it becoming clear that the IRA's activities during the Border Campaign were to be limited to the border areas, Ulster Protestant Action remained in being (the UPA was to later become the Protestant Unionist Party in 1966). Factory and workplace branches were formed under the UPA, including one by Paisley in Belfast's Ravenhill area under his direct control. The concern of the UPA increasingly came to focus on the defence of 'Bible Protestantism' and Protestant interests where jobs and housing were concerned.

As Paisley came to dominate Ulster Protestant Action, he received his first convictions for public order offences. In June 1959, a major riot occurred on the Shankill Road in Belfast following a rally at which he had spoken.[26].

Paisley, along with Noel Doherty established the Ulster Constitution Defence Committee, which in turn established the paramilitary organisation Ulster Protestant Volunteers on on 17 April 1966 at a parade in the Shankill area of Belfast [27](Boulton 34). Paisley then went on to establish another paramilitary group, Third Force, on 1 April 1981 [28][29][30]. Finally, the paramilitary group Ulster Resistance was established by Paisley, also in 1981[31][32].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Paisley#Early_activism_and_paramilitary_involvement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Force_(Ireland)

Coillte_Bhoy

PomBear wrote: »

Well by that logic Arthur Griffith set up Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael

**** knows how you came up with that analogy. Oh wait i know, you are going to be real clever and illustrate how ff and fg ultimatley came from the original sinn fein party establishe by griffith. my arent you the clever fellow?/ Sad get a life.