Protesters storm the Dail??

gurramok

RTE news had no video of the incident on their RTE2 nightly news. TV3 have it up on their website http://www.tv3.ie/article.php?article_id=37423&locID=1.2.139.&pagename=home

At least TV3 have been on the ball reporting this.

Caoimhín

Dudess wrote: »

Exactly. Rumour has it Boards was about to collapse under the strain of all the "Why aren't we rioting?" threads.

I think most people just want to get on with our lives without being screwed by politicians/bankers/landlords/gombeenmen etc etc etc.

I dont know, what do we do?

If some charismatic leader arrived on the scene and promised to sort everything out and be tough with all of our ills would we dispense with all the so called "higher principals" of democracy?

Now im not advocation this but I despair because 25 - 28% of the population would still vote FF.

I believe our problem is that we as a people have still not evolved past a point where we only care about our immediate community and out own personal circumstance.

I am not preaching because i find myself falling into these very thoughts. Still though, compared to many other European countries we are very socially immature.

StupidLikeAFox

hinault wrote: »

I would urge people to attend these demonstration if you can.

I am not a public sector employee.
Nor am I a union member.

I want to demonstrate to show my opposition to the economic mismanagement of this country and the ill-conceived solution that is being imposed on the ordinary citizen.

This would also be me. And tbh if I was protesting I wouldnt mind which of these groups joined in, despite their own agendas. I think a large "enough is enough" protest is all what is needed

Jeez there are some awful morons around. Why dont people try and understand the economic crisis before they start doing crap like this. There is no other option than to capitalize the banks .. especially at the moment with markets in the state they are in. Do people think we should let them fail and then watch the whole country go bankrupt which causes a knockon effect in europe which will destablise the whole world economy?

Thats true, the banking system must be saved. However its the manner in which the bankers, those in charge are not being held responsible. The cronies, with proven close ties to the government, are getting off scot free with massive payoffs.

I love how people are giving out about FF after voting them back in and will do it again next time around.

A lot of people are of this attitude.
"Ara sure its not gonna change, whats the point?"
"Its ye're own fault for voting them in"

Fact is if the revelations that were known now were known in the last election Fianna Fail wouldnt have been elected. In any case I dont think they will be elected, they fupped up big time, when opposition parties get in (not sure if theyll even be any better, but they wont be worse) Cowen et al wont have to much credibility from the opposition benches

hinault

My name is URL wrote: »

What would your alternative be exactly? The reason we're not in a worse state than Greece is now is because plans were put into action early.

Where were the protesters when times were good? Nobody seemed to give a shit what was happening then..

If only it were that simple.

The 2000-2007 economic mismanagement of the govt have exacerbated the problems that we currently face and will face for the next few years.

The economic problems that are here are by and large home grown ones.

I opposed the policies 2000-2007 and I oppose the consequent solutions such as NAMA, bank recapitalisation.

ascanbe

Pittens wrote: »

Fintan o Toole and Vincent Browne were demanding that we spend more of our (frothy) GDP on public service pay etc. D mc Williams pointed out the froth.

If McWilliams , who also opposes Nama, is at a protest I will listen. The other two have nothing to contribute except hot air.

I was referring to his contribution on the Vincent Browne show.
Did he speak at the protest?
What O'Toole and McWilliams have in common is their belief that continuing along the current course could well result in us losing our financial soveriegnty; in that case it won't matter if you disagree with O'Toole's socialist leanings.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

dsmythy wrote: »

Sure, if you want to join in with the violent far-left then enjoy.

I wish to protest, therefore, I am violent far-left?

dsmythy wrote: »

I look forward to no violence next Tuesday then. And for the SWP to be merely centre-left.

I'd say there'll be bigger numbers. I'd say there's be isolated incidents of voilence (which I do not condone). I'd also say you'd be on here telling us that you told us so and painting a picture of WW3 anarchy. Sky news are hiring sensationalist bull****ters - perhspas you should apply?

Caoimhín

hinault wrote: »

If only it were that simple.

The 2000-2007 economic mismanagement of the govt have exacerbated the problems that we currently face and will face for the next few years.

The economic problems that are here are by and large home grown ones.

I opposed the policies 2000-2007 and I oppose the consequent solutions such as NAMA, bank recapitalization.

That is all good and well but the majority did; http://electionsireland.org/results/general/30dail.cfm

Now, i dont believe the majority of the electorate are FF supporters. I do think that the majority of the electorate were taken in by the zeitgeist of the time which was to keep the party going "sure we are the best little country in the world".

Same people are now calling for heads on a plate and bail outs for over-indebtedness.

nicegirl

David McWilliams should attend one of these demonstrations, and speak. He speaks the truth, and during the boom years predicted what would happen. Alot of people agree with his views, and he would be a key speaker, and would get ALOT more irish people out at these demonstrations

dsmythy

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I wish to protest, therefore, I am violent far-left?

No. If you wish to protest peacefully then do so. If you want to be a revolutionary, I'd rather you didn't.

Caoimhín

ascanbe wrote: »

What O'Toole and McWilliams have in common is their belief that continuing along the current course could well result in us losing our financial soveriegnty;

At this stage, I think that may be the best thing.

My name is URL

hinault wrote: »

If only it were that simple.

The 2000-2007 economic mismanagement of the govt have exacerbated the problems that we currently face and will face for the next few years.

The economic problems that are here are by and large home grown ones.

I opposed the policies 2000-2007 and I oppose the consequent solutions such as NAMA, bank recapitalisation.

But what are you protesting for.. just the removal of the current Government or is it more out of shear frustration and without any real purpose?

dotsman

whitesands wrote: »

Write this on yer blackboard.....

Problem: Bankers ruin country
Politicians Solution: Bail out the bankers with taxpayer money

And you agree with this??? Either you have no idea what's going on or your getting a bail out :eek: I suspect it's the former.

No facepalm pic on the net can describe how I feel when I read this post.

It is 2010. The recession has been going on for some time now (thankfully ending). And this is the extent of your investigation into the cause of the recession?

Have you ever once considered what happened in this country over the past 20 years that led to this recession?

gollem_1975

ascanbe wrote: »

Did you actually bother listening to Fintan O'Toole; he spoke a lot of sense.
Did you read any of his writings over the last number of years; he was one of the few who pointed out that we were on a fast-track to economic disaster.
He and those like him were derided as 'begrudgers' by many.
As far as i can make out he is, now, simply putting forth the opinion that we have to look for a different solution to this crisis; what we are doing now is not working and cannot work.
Rather than have a proper debate, though, many people choose to deride those who put forth alternative solutions as being 'rabble rousers' or 'hippies' etc.

hey this is after hours .. I wouldn't post like that in the politics forum..in fact I don't normally post in politics at all. If you're looking for a more serious debate maybe try there.

I was just picking up on a previous comment commending Vincent Brown for being on the scene and making a little joke as if this would be a suprise since he is linked with PFP and SWP.

If I can put my serious hat on here I accept that Fintan O'Toole had some things to say that went against the cheerleading of the property boom that we witnessed in the mainstream media and he should be commended.

However socialist commentators of Fintan and Vincent would not have been complaining that the levels of public expenditure were unsustainable during the boom. I think the resolution to the problem the country currently is in involves cutting public expenditure - maybe i'm wrong here but I think I can guess their position on that.

squod

My name is URL wrote: »

But what are you protesting for.. just the removal of the current Government or is it more out of shear frustration and without any real purpose?

I don't get it either TBH. Probably half the people there voted for them in the first place like. Could somone explain?

hinault

Caoimhín wrote: »

That is all good and well but the majority did; http://electionsireland.org/results/general/30dail.cfm

Now, i dont believe the majority of the electorate are FF supporters. I do think that the majority of the electorate were taken in by the zeitgeist of the time which was to keep the party going "sure we are the best little country in the world".

Same people are now calling for heads on a plate and bail outs for over-indebtedness.

I've never voted for FF :

Anyone who knows me would tell you that since 2002, I bored them senseless saying that I could not understand how house prices were inflating to the extent that they were.

This is not meant to be "I told you so" monologue : just setting out where I am coming from as regards this entire issue.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

So what is the difference between the use of the word protest here...

dsmythy wrote: »

No. If you wish to protest peacefully then do so. If you want to be a revolutionary, I'd rather you didn't.

... and here ...

nicegirl wrote: »

Will there be another protest in Dublin again next week?

dsmythy wrote: »

Sure, if you want to join in with the violent far-left then enjoy.

... that suddenly makes you think violent far-left?

gollem_1975

gurramok wrote: »

RTE news had no video of the incident on their RTE2 nightly news. TV3 have it up on their website http://www.tv3.ie/article.php?article_id=37423&locID=1.2.139.&pagename=home

At least TV3 have been on the ball reporting this.

In fairness there wouldn't have been any coverage apart from the fisticuffs though.

dsmythy

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

So what is the difference between the use of the word protest here...



... and here ...



... that suddenly makes you think violent far-left?

She would be protesting peacefully alongside the seemingly violence minded far-left. Just letting ordinary people glancing through the thread know who their bedfellows would be.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

dsmythy wrote: »

She would be protesting peacefully alongside the seemingly violence minded far-left. Just letting ordinary people glancing through the thread know who their bedfellows would be.

Ah, so you're implying that she will be joining a peaceful protest now? Fair enough. Case closed.

dsmythy

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Ah, so you're implying that she will be joining a peaceful protest now? Fair enough. Case closed.

No. SHE would be there to protest peacefully. Alongside her bedfellows with violence on their mind. Something she doesn't realise she is joining. She knows now.

nicegirl

Can I ask your opinions on this......if a general election were to be called, who would make a good leader for the country? Which party?

Des Carter

I could have said this on another thread but we should all buy eggs and egg the Dail - that way it would be a semi-riot but no one will be killed but at the same time we will piss off the government and make the Dail smell like eggs.

A win win situation

Sonnenblumen

Browney7 wrote: »

Just heard them saying on sky news that Protesters have stormed the dail.

Anyone else hear about this?:eek:

Is Zorba and his mates in town?

Caoimhín

hinault wrote: »

I've never voted for FF :

Anyone who knows me would tell you that since 2002, I bored them senseless saying that I could not understand how house prices were inflating to the extent that they were.

This is not meant to be "I told you so" monologue : just setting out where I am coming from as regards this entire issue.

I didnt mean to imply that you did, I meant in general. Sorry, i should be more specific about that.

Nicegirl
Can I ask your opinions on this......if a general election were to be called, who would make a good leader for the country? Which party?

I believe there is a small party in west Cork, the IZAN's or something, led by a charismatic young man with a funny mustache. They might be worth a bet.... :rolleyes:

gollem_1975

dsmythy wrote: »

She would be protesting peacefully alongside the seemingly violence minded far-left. Just letting ordinary people glancing through the thread know who their bedfellows would be.

to be honest I think you are overexaggerating the situation with regards to the violence.

Look at the guy in the footage with the dark hair who was receiving attention for a minor head wound at the end.

you could see there was a smirk on his face when he was being held back by the guard. he had no serious intention to do any harm.

this was jostling at most..but the outnumbered guards on duty couldn't be seen to let them pass.

Now if these guards were faced by half the number of pissed up Rovers fans facing them we would have seen the red sea parting ( pun intended )

dsmythy

gollem_1975 wrote: »

to be honest I think you are overexaggerating the situation with regards to the violence.

Look at the guy in the footage with the dark hair who was receiving attention for a minor head wound at the end.

you could see there was a smirk on his face when he was being held back by the guard. he had no serious intention to do any harm.

this was jostling at most..but the outnumbered guards on duty couldn't be seen to let them pass.

Now if these guards were faced by half the number of pissed up Rovers fans facing them we would have seen the red sea parting ( pun intended )

The hoops would be getting it for sure. It's still overly aggressive behaviour which hints at their style of delivering their brand of politics.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

dsmythy wrote: »

No. SHE would be there to protest peacefully. Alongside her bedfellows with violence on their mind. Something she doesn't realise she is joining. She knows now.

Bit condescending. How do you know she didn;t know in the first place.

dsmythy

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Bit condescending. How do you know she didn;t know in the first place.

Yes it was. Well if she didn't know she now knows

nicegirl

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Bit condescending. How do you know she didn;t know in the first place.

Who is the "She" you are referring to?!!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

dsmythy wrote: »

Yes it was. Well if she didn't know she now knows

So a recap. Girl wants to go protest, you assume she's ignorant and diecide to point out that it's going to be violent and far-left. Nice

OR

You don't like protests, possibly because the current status is beneficial to you, so you try to pass them off as violent far-left in order to get sympathy for your views in the hope that someone will support you and have to backtrack to the above when said support fails to materialise?

I'm guessing the later.