Protesters storm the Dail??

gollem_1975

dsmythy wrote: »

The hoops would be getting it for sure. It's still overly aggressive behaviour which hints at their style of delivering their brand of politics.

I mean the half dozen guards would have been the red sea parting!

the guards in this instance knew what they were up against, they didn't all draw batons for a start.

lets face it.. it was handbags

suppose you could say their behaviour was aggressive however they have drawn attention to their protest.. they are unlikely to have lost any supporters either by their actions so I'd say they are rightly feeling happy for themselves

whitesands

dotsman wrote: »

No facepalm pic on the net can describe how I feel when I read this post.

It is 2010. The recession has been going on for some time now (thankfully ending). And this is the extent of your investigation into the cause of the recession?

LOL, save the facepalm for yourself, my investigation into the recession started before it happened, I seen it & acted accordingly

As for the recession

(thankfully ending)

You have alot to learn

dsmythy

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

So a recap. Girl wants to go protest, you assume she's ignorant and diecide to point out that it's going to be violent and far-left. Nice

OR

You don't like protests, possibly because the current status is beneficial to you, so you try to pass them off as violent far-left in order to get sympathy for your views in the hope that someone will support you and have to backtrack to the above when said support fails to materialise?

I'm guessing the later.

Talk about over-complicating things.

She asked if there is another protest.

I inform her of some unsavoury elements that she would be aligning with but if that's ok with her then so be it.

You appear.

SWP were the culprits tonight. Way out left. Seemingly violent. Part of the proposed Tuesday(ly) protests.

dsmythy

gollem_1975 wrote: »

suppose you could say their behaviour was aggressive however they have drawn attention to their protest.. they are unlikely to have lost any supporters either by their actions so I'd say they are rightly feeling happy for themselves

Oh, there's no doubt about this at all.

gollem_1975

whitesands wrote: »

LOL, save the facepalm for yourself, my investigation into the recession started before it happened, I seen it & acted accordingly

As for the recession
You have alot to learn

funny as it may seem to you if the economy shows any sign of growth then in economic terms we can say we are out of recession.

under the croke park agreement there'll be no public sector redundancies so we are not going to see any huge increases in the numbers of unemployed

the euro is weakening so our exports are more attractive to the US an UK and we are more attractive to them as a tourist destination.

coming out of recession doesn't mean that the celtic tiger is back in town and its time to party , it just means the economy is growing .

artanevilla

Pauleta wrote: »

This is an attack on our democracy. If not terrorism then this should be treated as a coup attempt and these savages must be punished. Whatever you think about the current government these people have no regard for democracy and freedom. They will only tolerate their own political beliefs.


EDIT:

Turns out it was nothing. Nothing to see here

It's not an attack on democracy, the people want change. And it's not a coup, the army have nothing to do with it. If anything it's the government who have no regard for democracy, otherwise there'd be a general election tomorrow. It's not so much as people fighting for their political beliefs but fighting against the banks, supported by this government, bringing this country to it's knees. Terrorism has nothing to do with it, terrorism is the use of fear to acheive aims.

DeVore

Isnt it the definition of fascism to try to get your political way by force?


This isnt the far left, it looks more like the far right in some ways....


DeV.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

dsmythy wrote: »

Talk about over-complicating things.

She asked if there is another protest.

I inform her of some unsavoury elements that she would be aligning with but if that's ok with her then so be it.

You appear.

SWP were the culprits tonight. Way out left. Seemingly violent. Part of the proposed Tuesday(ly) protests.

So it's "seemingly" violent now? And if they're "way out left" you've never seen Berlin anarchists in action.

Beyond that, far from complicating things, I clarified things. You hate protests and therefore tar them as being violent.

The only thing I'm not sure about is why, in your defence, you felt the need to condescent to nicegirl in the first place. She's a big girl. She's allowed to cross the road.

gollem_1975

DeVore wrote: »

Isnt it the definition of fascism to try to get your political way by force?

Don't think so.. though then again dictionaries are written by the victors

whitesands

gollem_1975 wrote: »

funny as it may seem to you if the economy shows any sign of growth then in economic terms we can say we are out of recession.

13% unemployment, brilliant. The economists say were on the up & up...

gollem_1975 wrote: »

under the croke park agreement there'll be no public sector redundancies so we are not going to see any huge increases in the numbers of unemployed

Couldn't give a sh1te, sack half of them at least.

gollem_1975 wrote: »

the euro is weakening so our exports are more attractive to the US an UK and we are more attractive to them as a tourist destination.

Exports, what do we export?????? Tourism, notice the volcano????

gollem_1975 wrote: »

coming out of recession doesn't mean that the celtic tiger is back in town and its time to party , it just means the economy is growing .

Thanks for the lesson in economics :P I was protesting against NAMA last year, only about 500 people turned up. I quickly came to the conclusion there is too much fluoride in the water or too many people are just dumb.
I'm emigrating in the next month & taking my money with me, you clowns can pay for this mess, I'm certainly not.

dsmythy

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

So it's "seemingly" violent now? And if they're "way out left" you've never seen Berlin anarchists in action.

Beyond that, far from complicating things, I clarified things. You hate protests and therefore tar them as being violent.

The only thing I'm not sure about is why, in your defence, you felt the need to condescent to nicegirl in the first place. She's a big girl. She's allowed to cross the road.

Just friendly advice. I'm not one to force opinion on others, unlike certain groups. Irish far left groups are tiny, but give them a hold and then the violence would become dangerous, just ask Greek bank workers. Don't get hung up on words. The video shows them to be violent in nature.

nicegirl

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

So it's "seemingly" violent now? And if they're "way out left" you've never seen Berlin anarchists in action.

Beyond that, far from complicating things, I clarified things. You hate protests and therefore tar them as being violent.

The only thing I'm not sure about is why, in your defence, you felt the need to condescent to nicegirl in the first place. She's a big girl. She's allowed to cross the road.

Ok, it was me you were reffering to! Well if I was to attend a protest, I would go to support, and listen to what was said. I would not engage in violence/bad behaviour, it creates headlines, and I do not agree with it. I think the best way for a political protest to take place is if there are key speakers present (Who would also gain public interest, and get people to attend a protest) and also if there are many people there....possibly a couple of thousand. I think a protest like this, would make some kind of a difference, get the message to the government, and like I have said before there are power in numbers.

gollem_1975

whitesands wrote: »

Exports, what do we export??????

total exports of goods and services from Ireland in 2009 was €154 Billion

I'm emigrating in the next month & taking my money with me, you clowns can pay for this mess, I'm certainly not.

you can still post on boards.ie when you emigrate..please do keep in touch

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

dsmythy wrote: »

Just friendly advice. I'm not one to force opinion on others, unlike certain groups. Irish far left groups are tiny, but give them a hold and then the violence would become dangerous, just ask Greek bank workers. Don't get hung up on words. The video shows them to be violent in nature.

Well, no, but then neither do Sky News or Fox. Allegedly. But your original post inferred massively that the demonstration on tuesday next would be violent and far-left. Which is unlikley if the far-left groups are, as you say, "tiny".

Beyond that, I agree - far-left is just as bad as far-right, and thankfully will never have the numbers to be a serious thread (unless something drastic happens).

gollem_1975

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Beyond that, I agree - far-left is just as bad as far-right, and thankfully will never have the numbers to be a serious thread (unless something drastic happens).

I agree keep the serious threads in the politics forum

we'll have no fighting in the war room!

dsmythy

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Well, no, but then neither do Sky News or Fox. Allegedly. But your original post inferred massively that the demonstration on tuesday next would be violent and far-left. Which is unlikley if the far-left groups are, as you say, "tiny".

Beyond that, I agree - far-left is just as bad as far-right, and thankfully will never have the numbers to be a serious thread (unless something drastic happens).

If you put them altogether in a relatively small protest despite their numbers they are still a major section of it. Not something I'd like to be involved in.

nicegirl wrote: »

Ok, it was me you were reffering to! Well if I was to attend a protest, I would go to support, and listen to what was said. I would not engage in violence/bad behaviour, it creates headlines, and I do not agree with it. I think the best way for a political protest to take place is if there are key speakers present (Who would also gain public interest, and get people to attend a protest) and also if there are many people there....possibly a couple of thousand. I think a protest like this, would make some kind of a difference, get the message to the government, and like I have said before there are power in numbers.

I would be like nicegirl though in being open to attending peaceful protests created by the people who do not have political agendas or allegiances which attract violent elements. These planned Tuesday protests however, count me out.

artanevilla

DeVore wrote: »

Isnt it the definition of fascism to try to get your political way by force?


This isnt the far left, it looks more like the far right in some ways....


DeV.

Not really, fasicm is about one people heading for one goal. Although historically there is violence associated with it, it doesn't neccesseraly constitute it.

gollem_1975

artanevilla wrote: »

Not really, fasicm is about one people heading for one goal.

the other 10 stay in their own half of the pitch to prevent the other team getting to the other goal

its a defensive style of football originating in Italy

oh wait a minute thats Catenaccio I was thinking about..

buonanotte tutti!

Butch Cassidy

Koloman wrote: »

No we don't. Tell that to the 3 people who died last week in Greece.

Tell it to the some 5000 people that die each year due to inequality.

artanevilla

gollem_1975 wrote: »

the other 10 stay in their own half of the pitch to prevent the other team getting to the other goal

its a defensive style of football originating in Italy

oh wait a minute thats Catenaccio I was thinking about..

buonanotte tutti!

Facism was developed in Italy.....

dsmythy

Butch Cassidy wrote: »

Tell it to the some 5000 people that die each year due to inequality.

We shall not mention lives cost through Socialist implementation throughout history.

Where does that 5,000 figure come from anyway?

karlog

so eh rather than reading 22 pages of post was the dail stormed or not?

DeVore

Some guy pushed a Garda and ran off.

DeV.

strobe

For all the mouthing off and posturing I still have seen no sign of an Epic Riot Madra.....poor form Ireland, poor form.

ragg

DeVore wrote: »

Some guy pushed a Garda and ran off.

DeV.

Exactly, I find it humourous that people are saying that they applaud these people for trying something.
They outnumbered the cops by about 10 to one, if they wanted to get into the dail, they could have.
this "protest" reminded me of a dog chasing a car, they'd have no idea what to do if they caught it, so its all just hot air and bluster.

All it was, was Students and hippys with nothing better to do than pretend to protest.

How many of you were horrified after the love ulster riots?? Is that the kind of thing you want to see?

Mister men

ragg wrote: »

Exactly, I find it humourous that people are saying that they applaud these people for trying something.
They outnumbered the cops by about 10 to one, if they wanted to get into the dail, they could have.
this "protest" reminded me of a dog chasing a car, they'd have no idea what to do if they caught it, so its all just hot air and bluster.

All it was, was Students and hippys with nothing better to do than pretend to protest.

How many of you were horrified after the love ulster riots?? Is that the kind of thing you want to see?

I'm neither a hippy or student but an ordinary 9-5 PAYE worker and i was there. Bang goes your theory what.

arybvtcw0eolkf

ragg wrote: »

Exactly, I find it humourous that people are saying that they applaud these people for trying something.
They outnumbered the cops by about 10 to one, if they wanted to get into the dail, they could have.

They may have temporarily outnumbered AGS on at the time, but they didn't outnumber a full garrison of armed military police stationed in Leinster House & Government buildings who are tasked to protect the place, and they've a very robust mandate to do so too.

Biggins

I dunno what the fuss is over. So a couple of lads wanted to use the toilets there!
I know when I'm busting for a pee, I'd rush anyone in my way.

Nijmegen

Ethan Whispering Tuba wrote: »

They may have temporarily outnumbered AGS on at the time, but they didn't outnumber a full garrison of armed military police stationed in Leinster House & Government buildings who are tasked to protect the place, and they've a very robust mandate to do so too.

The army using heavy handed tactics to keep anti-government protestors out of the national parliament, at a time when said government is highly unpopular.

Wouldn't make us look like any more of a banana republic, no.

conorhal

So a feeble, poorly attended protest organized by professional crank Richard Boyd Barrett manages to salvage it's warped pride by using violence to grab some headlines and a bit of publicity. Very commendable :rolleyes:

Listening to Barrett on Newstalk this morning was a laugh though, apparently 2,000 protesters massed outside the dail, (actually the figure was quoted at around 500 people, which makes me wonder what is it with the Socialists and their inability to count? It certainly explains why the fail to grasp the seriousness of the current economic situation though.)
According to Barrett, they then tried to 'walk through the gate in a peaceful manner (probably baring flowers, and singing songs of unions and unicorns) when the Guards overreacted and started violently oppressing people. Of course he qualified that by mentioning that was as he saw things from the vantage point of where he stood ....in Socialist fantasy land.

BTW, what ever happened to a good ol 'set yourself on fire like a Tibetan monk' style protest? Flaming socialists!