Protesters storm the Dail??

Biggins

Chairman Meow wrote: »

...Certainly beats anonymously complaining about the government on the internet anyway.

...Says an anonymous poster complaining about the complainers on the internet!

Huh? :pac:

General Zod

ragg wrote: »

Maybe so, but it was still a load of bollocks that you made up and used to try and prove an unprovable point about something that never happened

How? Taxi drivers forced entry into the Taxi regulators office. It's hardly bollocks to assume they would have done the same if there was a guard at the door when they tried it.

El Tarangu

General Zod wrote: »

How? Taxi drivers forced entry into the Taxi regulators office. It's hardly bollocks to assume they would have done the same if there was a guard at the door when they tried it.

To assume makes and ass of you and me both.

Can the two of you stop arguing about hypothethical taxi-driver rampages??

dan_d_lion

El Tarangu wrote: »

To assume makes and ass of you and me both.

Can the two of you stop arguing about hypothethical taxi-driver rampages??

Seconded

ragg

General Zod wrote: »

How? Taxi drivers forced entry into the Taxi regulators office. It's hardly bollocks to assume they would have done the same if there was a guard at the door when they tried it.

What if the cop was steven segal, would they still do it?

yoshytoshy

Chairman Meow wrote: »

I despise the socialist wanker and everything they stand for, but still, fair play to them for doing something. Certianly beats anonymously complaining about the government on the internet anyway.

People speaking their mind has nothing but merits,im on my mobile out in work!

General Zod

ragg wrote: »

What if the cop was steven segal, would they still do it?

yes, if one of the taxi drivers was Batman, and he was prepared.

acermaple

Joe Duffy is going to be talking about it in 'Liveline' soon if anyone is interested ...are they?

eightyfish

acermaple wrote: »

Joe Duffy is going to be talking about it in 'Liveline' soon if anyone is interested ...are they?

Cue annoyance.

Playboy

Mister men wrote: »

"Every Joe soap spending more money than they had"...have you got proof of this or is it just the popular thing to say? I lived well within my means on my below average industrial wage for the last 10 years so don't tar everyone with the same brush.

Do you know what has caused the economic mess we are in? Its not complicated! You are the exception to the rule if you lived within your means. The vast majority of people in the western world have been living beyond their means and on credit for many years.


See here for a good laymans explanation of what happened.

Blobby George

Playboy wrote: »

Do you know what has caused the economic mess we are in? Its not complicated! You are the exception to the rule if you lived within your means. The vast majority of people in the western world have been living beyond their means and on credit for many years.


See here for a good laymans explanation of what happened.

I honestly hope you are not trying to play down the significant role the banks played in all this. Personal responsibility for Finance was lax, no question about that, but please don't insult peoples intelligence by saying the banks were just doing their job.

General Zod

acermaple wrote: »

Joe Duffy is going to be talking about it in 'Liveline' soon if anyone is interested ...are they?

I suspect today's liveline is going to be the after sex cigarette compared to yesterdays triumphal headshop rutting.

dan_d_lion

Playboy wrote: »

Do you know what has caused the economic mess we are in? Its not complicated! You are the exception to the rule if you lived within your means. The vast majority of people in the western world have been living beyond their means and on credit for many years.


See here for a good laymans explanation of what happened.

What it all comes down to is an economic system that strives for infinite growth in a world in which everything is finite. This inevitably leads to a conflict. Economic bubbles cannot be sustained, they burst and they burst regularly. Unfortunately when this happens it is generally the poor in society who bear the brunt of the pain.

So the reason for this particular "bubble burst", while by no means irrelevant, is in the grand scheme of things, just one more reason in a long list of reasons.

What really needs to be questioned here is not who's fault is it for doing what, but an economic and political system that puts profit before people and will keep doing so unless the people collectively come together and demand change.

Gang of Gin

Biggins wrote: »

Corrected you post!

Correct your post!:pac:

Playboy

Blobby George wrote: »

I honestly hope you are not trying to play down the significant role the banks played in all this. Personal responsibility for Finance was lax, no question about that, but please don't insult peoples intelligence by saying the banks were just doing their job.

The banks were guilty of one thing .. stupidity. The lent too much money and they relied way too much on interbank lending markets to fund their lending. When they realised they had invested too heavily in mortgage backed securities (which were wrongly rated by Moodys) and the bottom fell out of the US housing market it was too late. Their ability to finance themselves by getting credit was gone because banks did not want to lend to each other when they didnt know how much of the CDO's they had on their balance sheets and on their own balance sheets. When the banks stopped lending to each other, banks such as Northern Rock went first because there was a run on the bank. When lending dries up then it kickstarts a recession because now banks cant lend to each other so they wont lend to business or people .. this leads to a shortgage of cash in the market which means growth slows down and goes negative .. then people lose their jobs which cause more strain on public finances paying for unemployment and their is even less moeny in the economy. Government borrowing has to go up which increase the debt which frightenes the markets which means people start selling and short selling .. betting on shares and the market to detiorate. This recession isnt the 'banks' fault .. It was the fault of how people in the western world lived their lives. The banks lent money to people and corporations who couldnt afford to pay that money back. Is it the banks fault for lending the money .. yes it is to an extent .. they should have had tighter controls around lending criteria but in a market where property prices are always increasing banks thought their lending was secured. they were naive to think that house prices would continue to rise ad infinitum. But people and companies should not have been seeking loans they couldnt afford to pay .. At the end of the end that money was spent by people who didnt pay it back .. In any sane world thats where the blame should lie?

Gang of Gin

Were any Boardsies involved in the scuffle?

Morlar

I would add greed and corruption to the 'stupidity' you put this down to.

That documentary about Iceland last night made the point well - they have had their enquiry already and named and shamed & are moving on.

Our enquiry into this banking fiasco has not started yet, already they have said there will be no naming of names. Doubtless it will take about 4 years and cost hundreds of millions and no one will be found to have been in any way responsible.

Diageio_Man

don't know if it's been posted already hever some footage of it. http://vimeo.com/11668031

Playboy

Morlar wrote: »

I would add greed and corruption to the 'stupidity' you put this down to.

That documentary about Iceland last night made the point well - they have had their enquiry already and named and shamed & are moving on.

Our enquiry into this banking fiasco has not started yet, already they have said there will be no naming of names. Doubtless it will take about 4 years and cost hundreds of millions and no one will be found to have been in any way responsible.

Well I'm not sure how much corruption there was. I'm not doubting that there was some corruption (there always is) but I dont think it had an overly significant part to play in what happened. Greed is a given in a capitalist society and if you are not comfortable with that concept then its best we all form a communist state somewhere. Greed though needs to be regulated correctly .. and that didnt happen unfortunately.

Gang of Gin

Nozebleed wrote: »

its about time!! if the people of this country don't join in protest now nothing will change in this country. well done to all who went marching to dail eireann last night. you have my full support.

With a username like that I'd say you're always up for a ruck!

the_rovers_one

Next time we get around 1000 people to storm the gates. See how strong the Gardaí are then. Pr*cks.

Gang of Gin

gollem_1975 wrote: »

we'll have no fighting in the war room!

Good reference:)

Morlar

Playboy wrote: »

Well I'm not sure how much corruption there was. I'm not doubting that there was some corruption (there always is) but I dont think it had an overly significant part to play in what happened. Greed is a given in a capitalist society and if you are not comfortable with that concept then its best we all form a communist state somewhere. Greed though needs to be regulated correctly .. and that didnt happen unfortunately.

There was undoubtedly corruption, take a look at anglo shuffling the money in and out of accounts left and right. No thanks I won't be joining a communist country just yet. Why do you assume criticism of the role of the financial sector can only come from the left ?

Greed is a tricky one, where it is rampant greed leading to recklessness then - yes the banks are not off the hook using the 'michael douglas' excuse of greed is good. Irresponsible, reckless out of control greed for the short term gain is good for the greedy but not for the country or the economy as a whole.

mathie

mathie wrote: »

Angry Garda is angry.

Now with added Angry.

kuntboy

Playboy wrote: »

Do you know what has caused the economic mess we are in? Its not complicated! You are the exception to the rule if you lived within your means. The vast majority of people in the western world have been living beyond their means and on credit for many years.


See here for a good laymans explanation of what happened.

There are also HUGE social pressures on people to live beyond their means. The media is telling everyone that if you don't have the appearance of success, you are a loser. That means you MUST have a nice car, nice house, holidays, big TV etc. If you don't have these things, or aspire to have them, you are ostracised.

boboirl

Where are people getting words like "Stormed the Dail"...

They didn't "storm" anything... just merely loitered outside...

Its like the time when Ireland hosted the G8, and the media were reporting "riots" outside the Phoenix Park... its like these reporters had never seen a real riot in their lives...

Morlar

boboirl wrote: »

Where are people getting words like "Stormed the Dail"...

They didn't "storm" anything... just merely loitered outside...

Its like the time when Ireland hosted the G8, and the media were reporting "riots" outside the Phoenix Park... its like these reporters had never seen a real riot in their lives...

The media should have added the word 'try'. As in . . . 'Hard left protestors try to storm the dail'. That would have been more accurate.

El Tarangu

kuntboy wrote: »

There are also HUGE social pressures on people to live beyond their means. The media is telling everyone that if you don't have the appearance of success, you are a loser. That means you MUST have a nice car, nice house, holidays, big TV etc. If you don't have these things, or aspire to have them, you are ostracised.

I fear that you're running the risk of over-simplifying matters. People are sentient creatures who make their own decisions - I'm not sure that you can blame the media for "peer-pressuring" people into credit card debt and unrealistic mortgage repayments.

Fuhrer

El Tarangu wrote: »

I fear that you're running the risk of over-simplifying matters. People are sentient creatures who make their own decisions - I'm not sure that you can blame the media for "peer-pressuring" people into credit card debt and unrealistic mortgage repayments.

Sure you can.


I mean, people didnt know what a tracker mortgage was...

El Tarangu

Fuhrer wrote: »

Sure you can.


I mean, people didnt know what a tracker mortgage was...

:P