Protesters storm the Dail??

gollem_1975

eightyfish wrote: »

Not really. The value of something it the price it is selling for at that time. If 5 in the row of 10 houses went for €500,000 on Monday, then €500,000 is the true value of a house on that street on Tuesday.

The following Friday, however...

i.e. the old...

the value of your investment may go up or down

applies

eightyfish

kuntboy wrote: »

eightyfish you are only reading this because I told you to. Now do as you're told and make a smart reply, like a good boy.

I can't believe I convinced you to pick that username.

Koloman

Butch Cassidy wrote: »

Tell it to the some 5000 people that die each year due to inequality.

Elaborate please.

Coles

Playboy wrote: »

Greece... 1 million people working in public services out of a population of 11 million .. thats more than France which has a population of 70 million.

France have a Public Sector of 2.3 million or thereabouts, and a population of 62 million. The UK has 6 million public sector workers and a similar population... That's a ratio of 1 in 10. You're not p!ssing and moaning about that though, are you?

1968

FYI, there's plans for another demo next Tuesday:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/event.php?eid=118179554883320&ref=ts

North_West_Art

funny to see how the Gardai get heavy handed to protect the status quo of a small political elite, who intend to make more cuts to their pay... highly effective brainwashing techniques in use in Templemore, it has to be said

gollem_1975

North_West_Art wrote: »

funny to see how the Gardai get heavy handed to protect the status quo of a small political elite, who intend to make more cuts to their pay... highly effective brainwashing techniques in use in Templemore, it has to be said

funny...your post is funny

there were less than a dozen guards there at that gate simply doing their job.

most of the guards didn't draw batons.

the most serious injury caused to a protestor was caused by another protestor.

( check 5.05 minutes into the youtube clip )

case closed

SeaFields

North_West_Art wrote: »

funny to see how the Gardai get heavy handed to protect the status quo of a small political elite, who intend to make more cuts to their pay... highly effective brainwashing techniques in use in Templemore, it has to be said

The Gardaí can not choose who and who not to protect. They are obliged to fulfill their duties under the constitution, whether they agree with those duties or not.

hardCopy

SeaFields wrote: »

The Gardaí can not choose who and who not to protect. They are obliged to fulfill their duties under the constitution, whether they agree with those duties or not.

True, regardless of their own opinions, they have a duty to do.

Fair play to them.

(I don't know any of those Gards, so maybe they even agree with the government)

eightyfish

Those nice people in eirigi have commented on the situation:

In scenes reminiscent of the Reclaim the Streets march in Dublin a number of years ago, the Gardaí made a frenzied attack on the peaceful protesters, injuring a number of them including a 62-year-old woman.

Leeson said: “Last night’s attack on peaceful protestors outside Leinster House highlights, yet again, the attitude of the Twenty-Six County establishment towards those who are not fortunate enough to be a member of the golden circle.

I'd love to know how being charged at can be considered an attack?

dsmythy

eightyfish wrote: »

Those nice people in eirigi have commented on the situation:





I'd love to know how being charged at can be considered an attack?

No surprise there. We can add liars to the list of why not to attend their demo.

General Zod

eightyfish wrote: »

Those nice people in eirigi have commented on the situation:





I'd love to know how being charged at can be considered an attack?

In fairness, they weren't exactly charged at. the protesters did try to move past them, but if they were charged at they definitely would have ben pushed passed.

eightyfish

General Zod wrote: »

In fairness, they weren't exactly charged at.

The "protestors" approached the Gardai en masse, pushing them and throwing things at them, trying to force their way into the Dáil. Maybe not charged at, but it was definitely a violent and aggressive action.

The socialists make out that the Gardaí spontaneously decided to attack poor defenceless peaceful protesters, which is a plain lie.

dotsman

whitesands wrote: »

LOL, save the facepalm for yourself, my investigation into the recession started before it happened, I seen it & acted accordingly

I assume you meant "saw", as in "I saw it".

Are you telling me the extent of your investigation has been to declare "bankers ruin country"?

Do you understand how an economy works? Can you please explain, for those of us who "have a lot to learn", how you have come up with this particular synopsis?

whitesands wrote: »

As for the recession
You have alot to learn

As for when the recession precisely ends, it is difficult to pinpoint. But it certainly is in the process of ending and, if not already, will end during the coming months.

Perhaps you should read Goodbody's assessment from this morning:

Goodbody wrote:

Irish recession has ended, long live the recovery

Recent Irish economic data indicates that the Irish recession ended in Q4 2009 and that sequential growth resumed at the beginning of 2010 for the first time in two years. We are upgrading our Irish growth forecasts this morning. We now expect GDP to be flat in 2010 (previously -1%). GNP is expected to decline by 0.5%, as the external sector leads the recovery for the Irish economy. Importantly, this annual average forecast hides positive momentum through the year. This more positive outlook comes after a plethora of indicators, as well as some more positive comments from some Irish corporates, have pointed to a return to growth. The OECD leading indicator for Ireland, the latest of which was released this week, has proved to be a reliable guide to growth momentum in the past. In March, the indicator was up 8% yoy in March pointing to recovery in Q1. This followed similar positive trends in the PMIs for construction, services and manufacturing. While we still have concerns about consumer spending, yesterday's news that confidence reached a two year high supports recent evidence of a pick-up in spending from VAT receipts, retail sales and car sales. As a result, we now believe that consumer spending will effectively remain flat in 2010. With headwinds in the form of anaemic income growth and rising interest rates in 2011, we expect modest growth next year of 1.3%. However, with construction activity expected to hit a floor in 2010, we expect domestic demand overall to grow by 0.8% in 2011, despite the impact of continued fiscal consolidation. It was always our belief that Ireland would be a beneficiary of a global upturn. Our initial suspicion was that this would lead to an export-led recovery around the middle of the year, but recent data has provided a pleasant surprise. The next question is what type of recovery will emerge. Given that it will be led by exports, it is unlikely to be employment intensive, but the earlier stabilisation in domestic demand will help in this regard. Challenges still remain, including continued fiscal consolidation, banking sector rehabilitation and gains in competitiveness. An earlier return to economic growth will only help in achieving at least two of these goals.

From an equity market viewpoint, the stocks with the biggest exposure to such an improvement and currently have Buy recommendations on are the financials, Aer Lingus, CPL and ICG.

Source

DeVore

eightyfish wrote: »

I can't believe I convinced you to pick that username.

Normally we would request the user change their name but in this case we thought that the name choice would be its own punishment as people gloss over any reasonably well made points and simply dismiss his opinion as that of a 13 year old who still thinks that the word "cunt" makes you edgy and cool all by itself but ironically hasn't the balls to spell it correctly in case his mummy also has an account.

As for you, you can continue to post it as a response only to delete it 5 minutes later if you wish but eventually I'm going to point that out to everyone.



oops.


DeV.

eightyfish

DeVore wrote: »

As for you, you can continue to post it as a response only to delete it 5 minutes later if you wish but eventually I'm going to point that out to everyone.

Yep, I did. Thought calling a poster a "kunt" might be against the charter and all that, so I rephrased it.

Are you God? (EDIT: I mean that in a whimsical fashion. What depth of edited-posting knowledge do you mods have???)

betagamma

The Oggmonster wrote: »

The guy who was bleeding was on the ground a few minutes before wrestling with a Guard. He obviously went back for more. Now he'll claim to be innocent in tomorrows papers and try and claim compo.

We need this guy at the protests

Look lets not lose the perspective on these events, what happened was, there was a group of protesters on a march,who on arrival at the gates of the dail noticed the gate was open, they tried to walk past the security and breach the gate with some pushing and shoving, the garda present resisted their attempts and used their batons liberally in defense of their position, in the ensuing skirmish a couple of protesters and a garda received minor injuries, all were tucked up snugly in their beds that very night. Whether you believe this was an orchestrated leftist agenda or just the a section of the crowd being opportunistic, it at least draws attention to a march which ,on any other rainy day would have been dropped to the 'and finally' section of the news agenda but instead drew attention to the plight of the vast majority of attendants, ie their disillusionmemt with the status quo( not the ****e band), if lessons are to be learned from this,surely at least one should be that a peaceful vocal protest with wide support from all disenfranchised is merited.

Overheal

eightyfish wrote: »

Yep, I did. Thought calling a poster a "kunt" might be against the charter and all that, so I rephrased it.

Are you God? (EDIT: I mean that in a whimsical fashion. What depth of edited-posting knowledge do you mods have???)

Quite a lot actually, considering DeV owns the website.

KevinVonSpiel

Protestants storm the Dail??

DeVore

eightyfish wrote: »

Yep, I did. Thought calling a poster a "kunt" might be against the charter and all that, so I rephrased it.

Are you God? (EDIT: I mean that in a whimsical fashion. What depth of edited-posting knowledge do you mods have???)

Offtopic: Yes in a sense I am god. My avatar is the shop keeper from Mr Benn because people wonder how I turn up as if by majic. My tagline "the monsters daddy" is because Boards was called a monster in a business meeting I was in where no one knew who I was, right up until that moment.

I appreciated that you deleted your comment and the thought that you were reconsidering your posts is why you are still here. I like civility. The fact you did it twice mitigates that slightly. Still, you and he dont seem like the worst we've run accross.

A few people recently have taken to insulting people on thread, having anyone who has that thread on "alert me on new post by email" on receive their abuse and then by swiftly removing it think that have fooled us. Sly, yes... smart no.

Much like Neo I only see the site in code so to speak. I get everything regardless of who "deleted" what and unfortunately anyone I have on ignore. I can compare any version of any edit made back to the original if I so chose. In fact, like predator, I'm attracted to areas of high deletion count cos it means something warlike is happening.

If Kuntboy wishes to change his name I'm happy to provide him with a free name change, alternatively I may continue to mock him mercilessly and fling cows at him from my admin-castle. My PM box is open.




And now we return you to your scheduled thread.


DeV.

betagamma

yeah, Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmet, CS Parnell, Oscar Wilde..........

DeVore

KevinVonSpiel wrote: »

Protestants storm the Dail??

Do you remember when you were in school and the class clown would push people from behind into the teachers??



Thats what they did.


DeV.

betagamma

It usually ended in an unmerciful wedgie.

Run_to_da_hills

Looks like this will happen again next week.

General Zod

eightyfish wrote: »

The "protestors" approached the Gardai en masse, pushing them and throwing things at them, trying to force their way into the Dáil. Maybe not charged at, but it was definitely a violent and aggressive action.

The socialists make out that the Gardaí spontaneously decided to attack poor defenceless peaceful protesters, which is a plain lie.

Why are you putting protestors in quotation marks? it's pretty obvious they were protesting.

DeVore

because what he really meant was "idiot thugs"... he was being polite.

DeV.

Butch Cassidy

Koloman wrote: »

Elaborate please.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/1104/1224258024008.html

http://www.publichealth.ie/files/file/Inequalities%20in%20Mortality.pdf

eightyfish wrote: »

The "protestors" approached the Gardai en masse, pushing them and throwing things at them, trying to force their way into the Dáil. Maybe not charged at, but it was definitely a violent and aggressive action.

The socialists make out that the Gardaí spontaneously decided to attack poor defenceless peaceful protesters, which is a plain lie.

I'm sure this video has been posted before but here it is again:

About 15 people from the SWP/People Before Profit tried to get through the gate and Guards held them off. There was some "animated" protesting via chants and what have you and then there was some pushing from behind to which the Gardai responded to. Andrenaline was running high, a Garda suffered a little cut on his nose and a half dozen or so protestors were clobbered over the head with the kosh. The protestor's injuries were worse as there was blood free-flowing out of people's head but no need to keep score.

The 32-County Solidary Movement - the political wing of one of the IRAs, I can't remember which - were there. About 5 of them tried actually pushing open the gate that was CLOSED! which shows their high level of intelligence! Anyway, in the video you can see them holding up this poster just after the initial "clash" : http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00577/protest3_pa_577168s.jpg

Another video here:

It really wasn't anything near to a "riot" or a "storming". Damn the SWP anyway for doing it as I reckon it'll have done more harm than good as next week there's likely to be Garai out in strong force acting as indiscriminate as possible - at last Tuesday's march the Garda presence was low and there was no hassle. It was pretty stupid of them to engage with the Gardai considering one of the tenets of the protest was "public services" and many on the march would of course been against cutting the pay of front line public sector workers so their stunt was a little self-defeating. I wouldn't blame the Gardai for assaulting the 32CSM though as they are thugs.

LC2010HIS

this was predictable.
this government is a joke and they are lucky this didnt happen sooner
Bail out greece? we cant bail ourselves out!!
The irish people are the ones with the power.
I think a overall national strike should go ahead. we run this country. not the government

LC2010HIS

I had a long post written out, but decided against posting it incase I got banned.

My opinion, in short, is that the protestors are a bunch of moronic fools who got what they deserved (they deserved more of a hiding!) :mad:

LC2010HIS wrote: »

we run this country (into the ground). not the government

You forgot a bit...

dotsman

LC2010HIS wrote: »

I think a overall national strike should go ahead. we run this country. not the government

So, you think we should have a national strike?

You say "we run this country", yet all I see is you trying to run this country into the ground. Exactly what would a national strike do other than bring our country closer to collapse? What is the precise benefit? If there is a benefit, does it outweigh the costs of having our country collapse?