Middle Lane Motorway Morons...

R.O.R

metzengerstein wrote: »

i really dont understand what all the whinging is about ,it maybe the rules of our stupid roads ,but i personally find it pathetic to be expected to stay in the left lane overtake someone then be expected to get back in the left lane for another 20 seconds till the next car or til the merging traffic come s along ,its very annoying in my oppinion ,i think it should be ok to stay in the middle lane let the slower drivers stay in the left if they wish

metzengerstein wrote: »

i would be one who would like to see our roads being used properly

Contradict much?


If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

As Tesco say - every little helps.

Stiffs

R.O.R wrote: »

I want you (and everyone else ideally) in the inside lane, so that when I go to overtake you I only have to change one lane out and one lane back.

The middle lane morons give me a dilemma though - do I (illegally) undertake them, or do I move from lane 1 to lane 2 to lane 3, then when passed said moron, I go from lane 3 to lane 2 to lane 1. See the issue here?

It seems the world is such an unfair place for you..

I'd say your the tail gate type judging from the above statement of ..I want you & everyone else out of my way. You could always go with the flow of traffic and reduce your speed rather than over take everything possible.

albob

I haven't seen this posted already. Apologies if I missed it. From http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html

Lane 2

On a two-lane motorway, use this for overtaking only and move back into lane 1 when you have finished. You may also use this lane to accommodate traffic merging from the left.

On a three-lane motorway, you may stay in this centre lane while there is slower moving traffic in lane 1.
Lane 3

If you are traveling on a three-lane motorway, you must use this lane only if traffic in lanes 1 and 2 is moving in queues and you need to overtake or accommodate merging traffic. Once you've finished overtaking, move back to your left and allow faster traffic coming from behind to pass by.

You must not use the lane nearest the central median (lane 2 or lane 3, depending on the motorway width) if you are driving:

I think this quite clearly allows people to "drive" in lane 2 if driving at their current speed in lane 1 would mean regular changing of lanes from 1 to 2 and back to 1 again.

Agreed though that if lane 1 is empty or you are traveling at the same speed as those in lane 1 then people should use that lane. If you are driving at a speed that means you will be fairly regularly catching up to and having to pass out lane 1 drivers then lane 2 is fine.

metzengerstein

Stiffs wrote: »

It seems the world is such an unfair place for you..

I'd say your the tail gate type judging from the above statement of ..I want you & everyone else out of my way. You could always go with the flow of traffic and reduce your speed rather than over take everything possible.

sounds that way to me too ,

im trying to say that things will not change because our country is so behind and backward that nothing will change ,so unfortunatly we will just have to put up with the things that annoy us on the roads ,the road users could help this but i dont see it happenng

metzengerstein

R.O.R wrote: »

Contradict much?


If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

As Tesco say - every little helps.

like i said to you before ,ITS AN OPINION

metzengerstein

albob wrote: »

I haven't seen this posted already. Apologies if I missed it. From http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html

I think this quite clearly allows people to "drive" in lane 2 if driving at their current speed in lane 1 would mean regular changing of lanes from 1 to 2 and back to 1 again.

Agreed though that if lane 1 is empty or you are traveling at the same speed as those in lane 1 then people should use that lane. If you are driving at a speed that means you will be fairly regularly catching up to and having to pass out lane 1 drivers then lane 2 is fine.

R.O.R

Stiffs wrote: »

It seems the world is such an unfair place for you..

I'd say your the tail gate type judging from the above statement of ..I want you & everyone else out of my way. You could always go with the flow of traffic and reduce your speed rather than over take everything possible.

Did I say I want everyone else out of my way? I want as many as possible (ideally everyone) driving as far to the left as is legal and safe. It then makes it much easier for everyone to make progress.

I rarely break the speed limit anymore on the motorway, now that there are no major holdups. But even at or below the limit, on the inside lane of the M50 I'll still come across people doing slower than me. Do I illegally undertake them, do I cross the 3 lanes to overtake them (if there isn't someone already overtaking them), or do I slow down to the same speed as them so that 2 lanes are effectively a rolling road block?

Stiffs

R.O.R wrote: »

Did I say I want everyone else out of my way? I want as many as possible (ideally everyone) driving as far to the left as is legal and safe. It then makes it much easier for everyone to make progress.

I rarely break the speed limit anymore on the motorway, now that there are no major holdups. But even at or below the limit, on the inside lane of the M50 I'll still come across people doing slower than me. Do I illegally undertake them, do I cross the 3 lanes to overtake them (if there isn't someone already overtaking them), or do I slow down to the same speed as them so that 2 lanes are effectively a rolling road block?

Yaaaaawwn.


"I rarely break the speed limit anymore on the motorway, now that there are no major holdups." WHAT?

metzengerstein

R.O.R wrote: »

Did I say I want everyone else out of my way? I want as many as possible (ideally everyone) driving as far to the left as is legal and safe. It then makes it much easier for everyone to make progress.

I rarely break the speed limit anymore on the motorway, now that there are no major holdups. But even at or below the limit, on the inside lane of the M50 I'll still come across people doing slower than me. Do I illegally undertake them, do I cross the 3 lanes to overtake them (if there isn't someone already overtaking them), or do I slow down to the same speed as them so that 2 lanes are effectively a rolling road block?

with the way things are on our roads i could only say do what is the safest way the guy in front generally will not get out of the way anyway

BlackWizard

Stiffs wrote: »

Yaaaaawwn.


"I rarely break the speed limit anymore on the motorway, now that there are no major holdups." WHAT?

If you want I can translate that into Portuguese or maybe some other language for you? Yawn.

Stiffs

BlackWizard wrote: »

If you want I can translate that into Portuguese or maybe some other language for you? Yawn.

Translate this wizard "Babaca" Amazing skill set you have there - bet you were top of the class.


Regarding the previous post.

Read it a few times and see if anything jumps out at you or ask a friend for help.

R.O.R

Stiffs wrote: »

Yaaaaawwn.


"I rarely break the speed limit anymore on the motorway, now that there are no major holdups." WHAT?

Keeping you up are we?


I used to get held up for around 45 minutes at the M50 toll everyday. That was frustrating and I'd try to make up time on the M1.

There is now about a 5 minute hold up at Blanchardstown in the evenings if traffic is heavy, which isn't a major issue to me.

Does that make sense to you, or can I explain it any clearer?

dermothickey

Relax people, just drive carefully and you'll have no worries. I have no need of overtaking when in the middle lane as im going the speed limit, anyone who needs to pass me out is speeding, and breaking the law

Rovi

frex wrote: »

dermothickey wrote: »

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Well dermo,...

I see what you did there.

R.O.R

dermothickey wrote: »

Relax people, just drive carefully and you'll have no worries. I have no need of overtaking when in the middle lane as im going the speed limit, anyone who needs to pass me out is speeding, and breaking the law

If I were you I'd be more worried about my own driving and leave the others to do what they want to do.

If people want to speed past me, good luck to them It's down to the Gardai to enforce the speed limits - not me.

dermothickey

And according to the rules of the road I'm in the right http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html ha so who's the moron now ha?

BlackWizard

Stiffs wrote: »

Translate this wizard "Babaca" Amazing skill set you have there - bet you were top of the class.


Regarding the previous post.

Read it a few times and see if anything jumps out at you or ask a friend for help.

Actually I know the basics of brazilian portuguese because of my girlfriend being Brazilian. I've thought her to replace that word with "muppet".

I find your post amusing so I'm not gonna take offense to it. But usually we don't go around the forums calling each other names

R.O.R put his post into different words and it doesn't change anything. If everyone had a few good driving habits on the motorway like keeping to the left most lane, then traffic would flow more easily and the amount of people rushing and speeding on the motorways would drastically come down.

The knock on effects are what are the biggest issue to these bad driving habits people have.

BlackWizard

dermothickey wrote: »

And according to the rules of the road I'm in the right http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html ha so who's the moron now ha?

Nice link! I never seen the rules of the road with pictures like that showing proper lane usage.

But I am confused. DOes that not prove you should stay in the left most lane?

On a two-lane motorway, use this for overtaking only and move back into lane 1 when you have finished.

It's possible you could end up in lane 2 for quite some time if it's a long overtaking manoeuvre though.

R.O.R

dermothickey wrote: »

And according to the rules of the road I'm in the right http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html ha so who's the moron now ha?

Ahh, the old "there is something in the inside lane, way in the distance, so I'm OK in the middle lane" defence :rolleyes:

dermothickey

When reading my original posts on this matter I said I use the middle lane as the inside lane is usually full of slower traffic, so as my right I use the middle lane driving at 100kph on the naas dual carriageway stretch, This means its a smoother and more comfortable ride. Anyone who comes up behind me etc needs to move in to the third lane, then there free to speed as much as they want.

Stiffs

Not at all ROR i'm wide awake. Thanks for the concern.

Not that interested in the details of your journey if i'm honest. No offense.

I find it more laughable that you preach about the woes of people driving slow in the middle lane because you can't get by them at your desired speed whether within the limit or above. You've clearly stated you break the speed limit to make up lost time during congested traffic. And then tell others a few post later..

"Take a copy of the rules of the road, and read it through. If you are so fanatical about sticking to the speed limits, why not try other rules or regulations - or do you just want to pick and choose which apply and which don't really suit you?"

I think you maybe picking a few rules to suit your own travel time?

You also clearly state "I want you (and everyone else ideally) in the inside lane, so that when I go to overtake you I only have to change one lane out and one lane back'.

The notable point being "WHEN I GO TO OVERTAKE YOU".. :eek: Always in a rush ROR?

Add some time to how long it takes you to get to your desired destination rather than expecting everything and anything to get to the left of you so you can over take them.


I think Blackwizard should have the final words.. as it applies to all speeders and middle lane hoggers..

If everyone had a few good driving habits on the motorway like keeping to the left most lane, then traffic would flow more easily and the amount of people rushing and speeding on the motorways would drastically come down.

The knock on effects are what are the biggest issue to these bad driving habits people have.

And Blackwizard - no offense was meant - forum banter!

Cause and effect - both blame each other.


I'd say motorway training as part of the driving test? Or has that come about since. I did mine a good few years ago.

R.O.R

Stiffs wrote: »

The notable point being "WHEN I GO TO OVERTAKE YOU".. :eek: Always in a rush ROR?

Have you never come across someone driving slower than you?

If you have to overtake someone, does it mean you are in a rush?

You do realise, that some motorway traffic is restricted to speeds lower than the speed limit?

dermothickey

R.O.R you'd be better off sticking to the limit in the middle lane, no stress then.:P:cool:

Ush1

So the ideal and point of the 3 lane motorway, is 3 lanes of traffic, each one moving faster than the lane to the left of it?

Stiffs

R.O.R wrote: »

Have you never come across someone driving slower than you?

If you have to overtake someone, does it mean you are in a rush?

You do realise, that some motorway traffic is restricted to speeds lower than the speed limit?

Dog with a bone ROR.. Slow down.

You obviously missed the cause and effect point i made.
Your really vexed by this? I'm fully aware of the various carriage restricted to lower motorway speeds. I do 40k a year motorway combined. And i see "Muppets" in middle lanes and "Muppets" rushing past them to arrive at the next set of lights right in front of them.


Slow down. :rolleyes:

R.O.R

dermothickey wrote: »

R.O.R you'd be better off sticking to the limit in the middle lane, no stress then.:P:cool:

But then I'd look like a right cock by sitting in the middle lane

dermothickey

R.O.R wrote: »

If I were you I'd be more worried about my own driving and leave the others to do what they want to do.

If people want to speed past me, good luck to them It's down to the Gardai to enforce the speed limits - not me.

right back at you

Padraig Mor

Stiffs wrote: »

The notable point being "WHEN I GO TO OVERTAKE YOU".. :eek: Always in a rush ROR?
.

Ah the old Irish mantra that anyone who overtakes is a maniac......
Listen, it's quite simple really. If there's no car in the lane to your left, GET THE **** IN THERE! It's the law, and it's common sense.

corktina

dermothickey wrote: »

When reading my original posts on this matter I said I use the middle lane as the inside lane is usually full of slower traffic, so as my right I use the middle lane driving at 100kph on the naas dual carriageway stretch, This means its a smoother and more comfortable ride. Anyone who comes up behind me etc needs to move in to the third lane, then there free to speed as much as they want.

read the title...could be you the OP means....

dermothickey

The law is on my side corktina.... just check the rules of the road....

BlackWizard

dermothickey wrote: »

The law is on my side corktina.... just check the rules of the road....

I got the impression from the post below that you stay in this middle lane because you don't want the hassle of having to change lane every few minutes.

dermothickey wrote: »

It's more a case that you are overtaking continously for the entire trip...

Stiffs

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Ah the old Irish mantra that anyone who overtakes is a maniac......
Listen, it's quite simple really. If there's no car in the lane to your left, GET THE **** IN THERE! It's the law, and it's common sense.

Thanks for settling that up for us all Padriag. We were all eagerly awaiting your post to clarify things. Personally I've never heard of that mantra before?

The BA Baracus in a chopper snickers ad comes to mind for some reason..

dermothickey

BlackWizard wrote: »

I got the impression from the post below that you stay in this middle lane because you don't want the hassle of having to change lane every few minutes.

Exactly as it says black wizard, As it's more a case that your overtaking continously, which as youu have read my posts you are continously overtaking so the law says if it's a 3 lane motorway and the inside lane is moving slower than you, it means you can stay on the 2nd lane..fact

Stiffs

dermothickey wrote: »

Exactly as it says black wizard, As it's more a case that your overtaking continously, which as youu have read my posts you are continously overtaking so the law says if it's a 3 lane motorway and the inside lane is moving slower than you, it means you can stay on the 2nd lane..fact

Prove it and put a stop to this.:D Quick cuppa and i'll be back.

dermothickey

Using lanes properly

It is very important that you understand the purpose of each lane on a motorway. To help explain how and when to move from one lane to another, each lane is given a number. The picture below shows that lane 1 is the lane nearest the hard shoulder. This is also known as the inside lane. On a two-lane motorway, the lane nearest the central median is lane 2 (also called the outside lane). On a three-lane motorway, this lane is lane 3.

Lane 1

The normal 'keep left' rule applies. Stay in this lane unless you are overtaking.
Lane 2

On a two-lane motorway, use this for overtaking only and move back into lane 1 when you have finished. You may also use this lane to accommodate traffic merging from the left.
On a three-lane motorway, you may stay in this centre lane while there is slower moving traffic in lane 1.
Lane 3

If you are travelling on a three-lane motorway, you must use this lane only if traffic in lanes 1 and 2 is moving in queues and you need to overtake or accommodate merging traffic. Once you've finished overtaking, move back to your left and allow faster traffic coming from behind to pass by.
You must not use the lane nearest the central median (lane 2 or lane 3, depending on the motorway width) if you are driving:

• a goods vehicle with a design gross vehicle weight of more than 3,500 kilograms,
• a passenger vehicle with seating for more than 8 passengers (aside from the driver), or
• a vehicle towing a trailer, horsebox or caravan.

You may use it, however, in exceptional circumstances when you cannot proceed in the inner lane because of a blockage ahead. You may also use it if you are at a location on a motorway where a speed limit of 80km/h or less applies.

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html

From the rsa

Padraig Mor

Stiffs wrote: »

. We were all eagerly awaiting your post to clarify things.

Not all. Just the middle lane morons.

Stiffs

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Not all. Just the middle lane morons.

You might want to have a chat with Dermot Padraig.. Or alternatively have a read of the above post.

Don't think there much else to say really..

Apart from SLOW DOWN ROR.:D

NC27

dermothickey your points are valid during mid to heavy traffic, but I'll just give an example of what I seen last weekend.

I was driving up the N7 towards Dublin, it was sunday at about 4pm, traffic was very light. Just past Naas where the road is 3 lanes for a few K's I came across a line of 5 cars in the middle lane with less than a cars lenght between each of them, some off them where on and of there brakes. Now there wasnt a car in sight infront of them in lane 1. So as I came up to pass them I had to move from lane 1 trough lane 2 and into lane 3 and back across again, and not long after that que of cars, while me still in lane 1, I come across a car in lane 3 all on his own with no one infront in lane 1 or 2.

Thats the kind of thing that gets to me. I dont live in Dublin but I spend alot of time there at weekends and I see that kind of thing all to often when traffic is light. There is no excuse for that kind if driving.

Atomic Pineapple

We should have a €50 fine for dawdlers in the middle lane.

Get the gardai to travel the m50 with a mounted camera every so often and send out the fines.

In 6 months time we'd be out of a recession

dermothickey

draffodx wrote: »

We should have a €50 fine for dawdlers in the middle lane.

Get the gardai to travel the m50 with a ,ounted camera every so often and send out the fines.

In 6 months time we'd be out of a recession

I posted that idea on the mcaleese website a few months ago...

Of course everyone understands when you have people driving like that its just plain stupid, Myself I'm not from Dublin either, though drive up every fortnight and the times Im driving are the busy times. So that's my experience of the Naas dual carriageway.

Maybe a sign every few miles to remind people of this would be helpful, also the fact of HGV''s and so-on staying on the left although it's rare to see them on the inside lane.

Still though there is some funny drivers on that route, though considering that you have 2 lanes on a 120kph stretch, then when it moves in to 3 lanes it switches to 100kph what you end up having is folk sticking to 120 instead of easing off.

Have often seen people switching lanes continously on this stretch simply because they aren't happy sticking to the limits, so they tend to swerve from lane to lane passing everyone out and then tut there heads and flash at people because they wont get out of the way.

marious

things would change if gardai would give a s**t about something else than speeding and tax discs

dermothickey

Tax discs is one thing but speeding does kill. Think of it though 50 people out on the major roads driving every day with a mounted speed camera. It's a revenue collector

NC27

+1 on the sign every few km's or an anti-tank gun to take them out:D.

But with most people I know its not all there fault, because from what I have seen it seems to be people from the age of 40 and up who are the worst. Im sure when they where doing there test, there was no motorways or any mention in the rules of the road. That is why I think you should atleast do a theory test when it come to renew your licence every ten years, and if you fail the theory test you should have to resit the theory and a driving test to get your licence again.

marious

so do they care more about safety or revenue?

Padraig Mor

Stiffs wrote: »

You might want to have a chat with Dermot Padraig.. Or alternatively have a read of the above post.
D

Not sure it's me who needs the education on how to drive TBH.

Evolute

Topper Harley wrote: »

The RSA should make a TV ad explaining to people how to drive properly on a motorway. They've done it for roundabouts as well as slightly different ads for seat belts, drink driving and speeding. But the principle is the same, safer road conditions.

Sure they made one about how to use roundabouts and people still dont know how to use them.

frex

Possible comparable analogy:

Consider driving on a long straight minor road with broken white line and closing behind a slow moving car. Assuming all conditions are safe etc (in other words, so no rocket scientists on here decide to smartly pick on any insignificant details) and you move out to overtake, the logical thing would be to pull in after passing the car, not stay on the opposite side of the road...

marious

NC27 wrote: »

+1 on the sign every few km's or an anti-tank gun to take them out:D.

But with most people I know its not all there fault, because from what I have seen it seems to be people from the age of 40 and up who are the worst. Im sure when they where doing there test, there was no motorways or any mention in the rules of the road. That is why I think you should atleast do a theory test when it come to renew your licence every ten years, and if you fail the theory test you should have to resit the theory and a driving test to get your licence again.

IMO thats not the point, what difference does it make? Theres plenty of drivers out there that know exactly what to do and how to do and all but refuse do drive properly due to lazyness or other reasons.Nobody respect rules because everybody gets away with everything, because gardai are not interested in pulling somebody in for not using indicator i.e.

vincenzolorenzo

R.O.R wrote: »

If you can't use the 1st and second lanes properly you either need to learn to drive properly, or just stay off the motorway and leave it to those of us who can drive properly on it.

If you know what you are supposed to do, but don't do it then you are even worse than the rest of the muppets in my opinion.

:eek: Would you take a chill pill. Jesus every time i log onto the motors forum there's somebody whinging and bitching about motorway driving and how TERRIBLE we all are etc. Just live with it. Might not be ideal but no need to cut the snot off someone just for being honest about how they drive. If only everyone was a perfect driver just like you. :rolleyes: No need to take your road rage in here

Cookie_Monster

dermothickey wrote: »

You must not use the lane nearest the central median (lane 2 or lane 3, depending on the motorway width) if you are driving:

[*]a goods vehicle with a design gross vehicle weight of more than 3,500 kilograms. That means you truckers!

[*]a passenger vehicle with seating for more than 8 passengers (aside from the driver). That means you coach drivers!

[*]a vehicle towing a trailer, horsebox or caravan.

can some on print this onto every gantry sign on the motorway network?

I hate spending 5 mins stuck behind two trucks side by side with one doing 0.5 kph faster than the other :mad:

vincenzolorenzo wrote: »

:eek: Would you take a chill pill. Jesus every time i log onto the motors forum there's somebody whinging and bitching about motorway driving and how TERRIBLE we all are etc. Just live with it. Might not be ideal but no need to cut the snot off someone just for being honest about how they drive. If only everyone was a perfect driver just like you. :rolleyes: No need to take your road rage in here

he's right though, why should we have to deal with so many ****ing tards on the roads?