SSFIV Tier List

A-Trak

Liquidswords wrote: »

Fei.

Azza wrote: »

Bison

Monday night hype that sh1t

Azza

A-Trak wrote:

Monday night hype that sh1t

Yeah but instead of trying to win, we both try to loose it to prove how bad our characters have it in that match up. :P

bush

I reckon id take an Fei with my Bipson

unky chop chop

Bah, your only arguing the weaknesses in your character match up so when your beaten whilst giving it your all you can fall back on "I told you so"

IT'S ON...HYPE

Liquidswords

Azza wrote: »

Does Fei have significantly less bad match ups than Sagat in Super. I'm mean one could argue Bison beats Sagat but at worst its 6:4 and many Bison players would disagree with that even. I'm sure Sagat has other bad match ups, but has he alot more than Fei? I mean why did Mago not pick Chun-Li or Guile is he was worried about bad match ups or Bison in particular.

Because they're dry as ****.

Of course my argument falls apart if I'm playing a poor Fei-Long. But I suggest you both play Nomi NL (think thats his name) Dutch Fei-Long player as Bison and and see how the match up goes. He didn't use option selects as much as light meaties. He punished my reversals 95% of the time. Bison is incredible easy to safe jump as his reversals take about 12 frames to start up, so even off a techable knock-down it isn't that hard. If I did not try and reversal, I was put under relentless pressure.

Not arguing that Fei links are not tough off Chicken wing, they are. But the guy I played above was nailing them with again 90-95% consistency (including the 1 frame link cs.hp)

Fei's ultra is still more viable than Bison's.
Focus attacks are not that bad against Bison in a footsie war. LK SK range isn't that good and alot of the time only hits once. The alternative is use neutral jump hard kick if you think a scissor kick is coming.
Fei has other set ups for his ultra too, which may not juggle well but at least its something.

Delayed rekka's against ex.psycho is not difficult. Few minutes lab practise and any reasonable Fei_Long player should be able to do it consistently.
Fei's sweep is bad, where as Bison's sweep is a high risk gamble.
Fei's throw range is average, same as Bison's.

Play keep away and you won't be under 'relentless pressure' from light meaties. Landing full rekkas on blocked EX CW can be 'kind of hard' I didn't say it was sh1t a brick hard just easy to mess up now and again mid match. Throw ranges may be similar but Bisons walk speed is much faster so hardly the same. One tick and Fei is out of range, 50/50 gone. Seriously, he dies to blocking lol.

For a character built around poking to be so outgunned at what he does best = disadvantage IMO.

^^^More or less what it boils down to. Rid your game of any and all moisture and you'll be flying.

Trust me this was one of Feis Top 5 worst match ups in Vanilla, I haven't played it in Super but I'm pretty sure it's still a bit of a nightmare. Why it was 5:5 on tier lists was due to them being so underdeveloped for the console characters last time around.

Azza

LiquidSwords wrote:

Because they're dry as ****.

Seems more likely to me Mago got bored of Sagat and switched rather than just not wanting to have to deal with bad match ups. Fei has just as many as Sagat.

As for playing keep away, anyone on this form will tell you that's exactly what I do in most match ups anyway included Fei Long.

As for tick throwing, Bison's movement speed matters little if any opponent can properly use delay teching. Learn delay teching and force Bison to use frame traps. If Bison can properly delay tech find your own frame traps or use the overhead. Occasionally mix in Fei's command grab. Bison doesn't have and overhead or a command grab so blocking is pretty good against him too although you do have to deal with chip damage off scissors.

Dreddybajs

How much could you trust any tier list for vanilla regarding the console characters? There was no high-level Japanese play regarding them, and I think one of the highest-rated Japanese players and obvious tier whore counterpicking the matchup is a pretty good indication. :pac:

Azza

Dreddybajs wrote:

I think one of the highest-rated Japanese players and obvious tier whore counterpicking the matchup is a pretty good indication.

Not following, I assume your referring to Mago here, what match up was he counter picking in? If you mean he switched to Fei-Long partly becaose of the Bison:Sagat match up why has he gone for a character that according to the Japanese does just as bad in the Bison match up.

And if its Mago you refer to as a tier whore why has he switched to Fei-Long?
He sure isn't top tier.

If its not Mago who you referring too?

Dreddybajs

Azza wrote: »

Not following, I assume your referring to Mago here, what match up was he counter picking in? If you mean he switched to Fei-Long partly becaose of the Bison:Sagat match up why has he gone for a character that according to the Japanese does just as bad in the Bison match up.

And if its Mago you refer to as a tier whore why has he switched to Fei-Long?
He sure isn't top tier.

If its not Mago who you referring too?

You're not following because you misread or misunderstood Hound's previous post.

The Hound wrote:

Not sure about Fei, I seen Mago switch to Sagat because of the bison match up and that says a lot.

Azza wrote:

Surely Mago didn't switch for that reason alone. Did he actually say that was the reason or part of the reason he switched?

Its not like Fei-Long is significantly better than SSF IV Sagat.

Hound specifically said that he switched from Fei to Sagat in a SSF4 match to counterpick a Bison player, not anything to do with what you were talking about.

I think Fei is very solid, and this game doesn't have a Sagat-level character - there's no obvious top tier character that dominates to pick, and as a result I think you see players picking a variety of solid characters instead.

Azza

Ah I follow now. Was under the impression that Mago was using Fei-Long to counter pick Bison not the other way round. Still I don't think Sagat is a natural counter pick for Bison but obviously you can't pick the best counter character if you don't practise him at all.