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Dont worry he will get the best of everything off me, i was looking at this
http://www.zooplus.ie/shop/dogs/dry_dog_food/hills_science_plan/puppy_junior/128147
its got some good reviews
great stuff. using it years.
consistantly good food.;)
where abouts do you live?
try and buy it in person if you can
{i find that if you buy anything online foodwise the BB date is fast approaching...}
Vets are same price as that website....get some samples off the vet also
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The risk of stomach rupture or intestinal impact is far greater and more common than the minisucle danger of infection. Alot of times as a dog owner you have to weigh up the pro's and con's of a situation and decide what's best for your dog and to me giving a dog a cooked bone is not a risk I would take.
never mentioned bones...
cooked meat
each to their own.....i would never give my dog,a bone from a bird...have given him cooked lamb bone before...no worries...
as i said everyone's different.
i wouldn't give my dog grapes,raisins either.....
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great stuff. using it years.
consistantly good food.;)
where abouts do you live?
try and buy it in person if you can
{i find that if you buy anything online foodwise the BB date is fast approaching...}
Vets are same price as that website....get some samples off the vet also
Im in clare, but work in limerick, are the petmania and maxi zoo good for getting food, thanks for all the help guys, just want the best for the little guy0 -
never mentioned bones...
cooked meat
each to their own.....i would never give my dog,a bone from a bird...have given him cooked lamb bone before...no worries...
These are actually very dangerous for dogs, ive seen dogs at the vets with lamb bones, cooked, lodged in a dogs mouth etc.
If you want to give a dog a bone give him a raw one, but stay away from any type of cooked ones.0 -
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These are actually very dangerous for dogs, ive seen dogs at the vets with lamb bones, cooked, lodged in a dogs mouth etc.
If you want to give a dog a bone give him a raw one, but stay away from any type of cooked ones.
^^---never heard that in me life...
i gave him the bone so's he could mill the gristle,fat and meat (what was left :rolleyes:)
...he actually lost interest in the bone after a while..
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^^---never heard that in me life...
i gave him the bone so's he could mill the gristle,fat and meat (what was left :rolleyes:)
...he actually lost interest in the bone after a while..
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It happened a dog i know, it lodged in the roof of the dogs mouth, they had to bring it to the the vets to get it taken out.0 -
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^^---never heard that in me life...
We had a dog in college for grooming and noticed something in its mouth, it had a piece of bone stuck in the roof of its mouth and I'd say it was there for a while. The dog didn't seem bothered, but it was really stuck in there hard. The teacher pulled it out but she was thinking she'd have to call a vet. It was ok though.
I do give my dogs bones just because they love them so much and it seems a waste to throw them away . . . but once I have my own place I won't have any bones around anyway, since I don't eat meat, so then I won't.0 -
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Have the healthiest, happiest most beautiful whippet in the whole world and she is fed on Pedigree chum nuts. Shiny coat, solid stools lovely behaviour etc etc. She gets Kong treats and sometimes I'll cook an extra chicken breast or keep leftover scraps of meat for her- bizarrely enough she goes mad for an olive or two aswell!! She NEVER gets wet food, unless we're in another pet owner's house and she nicks it from another bowl. I thought about changing the food but only because I felt like I wasn't a good enough owner unless I was paying through the nose for it.
When I did puppy walking for Irish Guide Dogs they used Pedigree- surely they wouldn't want to harm their animals?
I do splash out on Tigi shampoo for her ("Bed Head" for people= "Pet Head" for dogs
!!) so I think I'm as crazy as they come about my baby.
Go with your gut feeling on it- I started a thread here once on the same topic because I honestly felt guilty, if you love your dog and genuinely do what's best for it then don't listen to people who say you have to feed it Orijen/ Hills/ whatever else makes them feel superior0 -
denhaagenite wrote: »Have the healthiest, happiest most beautiful whippet in the whole world and she is fed on Pedigree chum nuts. Shiny coat, solid stools lovely behaviour etc etc. She gets Kong treats and sometimes I'll cook an extra chicken breast or keep leftover scraps of meat for her- bizarrely enough she goes mad for an olive or two aswell!! She NEVER gets wet food, unless we're in another pet owner's house and she nicks it from another bowl. I thought about changing the food but only because I felt like I wasn't a good enough owner unless I was paying through the nose for it.
When I did puppy walking for Irish Guide Dogs they used Pedigree- surely they wouldn't want to harm their animals?
I do splash out on Tigi shampoo for her ("Bed Head" for people= "Pet Head" for dogs!!) so I think I'm as crazy as they come about my baby.
Go with your gut feeling on it- I started a thread here once on the same topic because I honestly felt guilty, if you love your dog and genuinely do what's best for it then don't listen to people who say you have to feed it Orijen/ Hills/ whatever else makes them feel superior
Most people wont tell ya to feed it orjen/ hills or whatever , nearly everyone on this thread including me that feeds orjen or a more expensive food only does that because other brands have made the dog unwell .........
Most of us would love it if the dog was fine with a cheaper bag of food but for most of us that have written on here we only feed the expensive stuff because we have tried the other brands with no success .
I had a cocker spaniel for 16 years and it was brilliant on pedigree dry food , loved it and had no health problems until he hit the 15+ age.0 -
Outkast_IRE wrote: »I had a cocker spaniel for 16 years and it was brilliant on pedigree dry food , loved it and had no health problems until he hit the 15+ age.
I adore spaniels but I know the hair would drive me mad
. That is really great to hear- unfortunately people will read that because it had health problems before it died it MUST be down to the feeding. Nothing to do with the fact that it was at the ripe old age of 15 when it became ill.crotalus667 wrote: »the only tv advert i have seen for dog food that is sold over here is ped chum which i would not touch with a barge pole , i based by choice on recamendations from research and profresionals + people i know that have used it
Bad press for cheap(ish) food based on no impartial proof.morganafay wrote: »Do you have any proof of that? I don't trust the internet! If all the ingredients are on it, and if it says chicken/beef/lamb or whatever, instead of just saying meat, then wouldn't it have to be chicken/beef/lamb or whatever it says on the bag. I'd believe it with cheap dog good, but not with any of the expensive ones.
A cheaper food is more likely to contain questionable ingredients than an expensive food basedon what exactly?? I wonder do these people have pet insurance or exercise their animals properly?
Friend from school is a vet and I was gushing like mad about our one when I met her a couple of weeks ago and she was of the opinion that people pay far too much attention to the price of food and not nearly enough to other aspects of the dogs life/ health0 -
denhaagenite wrote: »I adore spaniels but I know the hair would drive me mad. That is really great to hear- unfortunately people will read that because it had health problems before it died it MUST be down to the feeding. Nothing to do with the fact that it was at the ripe old age of 15 when it became ill.
Bad press for cheap(ish) food based on no impartial proof.
A cheaper food is more likely to contain questionable ingredients than an expensive food basedon what exactly?? I wonder do these people have pet insurance or exercise their animals properly?
Friend from school is a vet and I was gushing like mad about our one when I met her a couple of weeks ago and she was of the opinion that people pay far too much attention to the price of food and not nearly enough to other aspects of the dogs life/ health
There are a few websites that analyse the food , i dont think pedigree chum is on here but orjen is and there a many more , http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/
the main gripe which is usually true about cheaper products is the use of Grains as a filler , grains have no place in a dogs diet naturally so these are what upset a lot of dogs , also the quality of meats used is also looked at ,
Im not saying this website is 100% right but it does bring up a few good issues .
But it raises a good issue some foods that you would expect to be high quality because of a higher price are no better than the cheapest brands .0 -
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Outkast_IRE wrote: »My dog is a abandoned collie cross we found as a 4 week old pup riddled with fleas !
Grasses are certain herbs etc are perfectly good for a dog and very small wild grain types would of been eaten this fibre is good for a dogs diet, the problem is with the large quantities of different grains which are ground down and used as filler in the food , this is the easiest website to link to and its the food i use as the dogs had skin problems and digestive issues on other foods .Have a quick glance http://www.orijen.ca/orijen/orijen/grainFree.aspx it explains why grain free.
But that is a web site advertising their own food? hardly impartial?
God reward you re the collie. Ours was 5 years when we persuaded our then-landlord to let us have her; thin as a rake and full of worms.
Spent around 16 hours a day locked in a windowless shed.
But I do wonder if a dog in the wild would not graze on eg wheat etc; fascinating topic ..0 -
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But that is a web site advertising their own food? hardly impartial?
God reward you re the collie. Ours was 5 years when we persuaded our then-landlord to let us have her; thin as a rake and full of worms.
Spent around 16 hours a day locked in a windowless shed.
But I do wonder if a dog in the wild would not graze on eg wheat etc; fascinating topic ..
Im sure if you did some research into the dietry habits of wolves in america then you are bound to get some answers if they have ever been observed eating grains or grains found in stool samples.
Oh i know that website is their own i linked to the dog food anyalasis one earlier in the thread that is independent and impartial and analyses loads of foods against each other.0 -
A few points here:
- Salmonella can certainly affect a dog. Raw chicken (especially when sourced from "chicken factories") should best be cooked
- dogs cannot digest raw vegetables, they do however need to eat veggie protein now and then. In the wild they would do this by eating the pre-digested food in their prey's stomach and intestines. In civilisation they get their veggy protein from prepared foods or from cooked veg.
- grass is not eaten as food but as a digestive aid (and in cases of severe tummy upset to induce vomiting)
- most foctory made dog foods are made from offal, offcuts and bone/meat meal that are not fit for human consumption. Unless your dog food (no matter how expensive it is) clearly states that all the ingredients are fit for human consumption, they aren't. These ingredients may sound yukkie to us but they still have nutritional value and if carefully prepared there is nothing wrong with them as such. No dog in the wild would turn away from a cow's eye or a bull's testicles
- the worst ingredients in prepared foods are the artificial ones ... sweeteners, preservatives, colourants, aromas. The more pleasant the food looks and smells to us, the more artificial it most likely is.0 -
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A few points here:
- Salmonella can certainly affect a dog. Raw chicken (especially when sourced from "chicken factories") should best be cooked
- dogs cannot digest raw vegetables, they do however need to eat veggie protein now and then. In the wild they would do this by eating the pre-digested food in their prey's stomach and intestines. In civilisation they get their veggy protein from prepared foods or from cooked veg.
- grass is not eaten as food but as a digestive aid (and in cases of severe tummy upset to induce vomiting)
- most foctory made dog foods are made from offal, offcuts and bone/meat meal that are not fit for human consumption. Unless your dog food (no matter how expensive it is) clearly states that all the ingredients are fit for human consumption, they aren't. These ingredients may sound yukkie to us but they still have nutritional value and if carefully prepared there is nothing wrong with them as such. No dog in the wild would turn away from a cow's eye or a bull's testicles
- the worst ingredients in prepared foods are the artificial ones ... sweeteners, preservatives, colourants, aromas. The more pleasant the food looks and smells to us, the more artificial it most likely is.
agree agree agree....
esp about the
"The more pleasant the food looks and smells to us, the more artificial it most likely is"
each to their own i suppose..
i know people who refuse to give their dog nothin but Ped Chum.
"...sure he's always eaten it ---nothinwrong with him.."
while i disagree with him ....each to his own.
i would never give a dog,raw chicken/chicken bones...or raw pork cos of the bacterial element...
i've never heard bad stories about dogs eatin Hills,royal canin etc...
but i have about ped chum and madra etc....from approx ten different human sources,incl vets,dog trainers,welfare worker's,farmer's,hunter's,greyhound owner's et al.
anyhow
rant over
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