UFO's - what do you believe?

dyer

Way back in history battles were fought if the 'Gods were on your side' ~ seemingly a force that could win you the day, but not controllable and could not be summoned, but if they turned up on your side, it was seemingly more than a sign ~ history is full of episodes where small battle groups defeated massive opposing forces and sonic weapons used against structures and thing vibrating apart.

im not sure what youre talking about, care to elaborate?

caseyann

dyer wrote: »

im not sure what youre talking about, care to elaborate?

I think he means as far back as history can go,people believed in something of higher power or force on their side in battle.

caseyann

gbee wrote: »

Add ion the FOO Fighter during WWII RAF special sections to intercept and destroy UFOs. Germany was believed to have UFO technology and the Germans feared the Russian equivalents.

Way back in history battles were fought if the 'Gods were on your side' ~ seemingly a force that could win you the day, but not controllable and could not be summoned, but if they turned up on your side, it was seemingly more than a sign ~ history is full of episodes where small battle groups defeated massive opposing forces and sonic weapons used against structures and thing vibrating apart.

All our past civilisations paid hommage ~ but to exactly what remains the mystery. That items like we see today were reported thousands of years ago. Are they the same, exactly the same or a series of different things, who made them, we could have made them as we knew the planet was going through a global extinction event but we lost the knowledge.

That there is something is irrefutable, IMO, what it is debatable.

You bring a good point to the debate gbee,When did humans begin worship of someone in the heavens and stars above.Once it was a few gods each others were told to worship the plants and trees and animals surrounding them.
The old paintings of god in heavens above also objects shaped in ufo shapes aswell as plane shapes etc..






http://casescorner.com/id16.html

gbee

caseyann wrote: »

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Yes, I think the depictions are so stark that if someone said a present day vandal had added these images in, I'd be inclined to believe that [too].

But we have them in cave drawings as well and when it comes to the Gods many ancient tablets depict them as we would depict a visiting dignitary at the airport with the plane in the background.

Unless they get proven as a hoax, these 'throwaway' bits of graphics are very telling. It proves to me that we interacted with something commonly enough that we were no longer amazed at the machines themselves, as with the occupants of same.

finnegan2010

I reckon they are out there. But i dont think they are observing us for decades if not hundreads or thousands of years. I dont they would be bothered sitting back and watching what goes on on earth.....suppose it could be a good comedy though!

caseyann

Check out the video half way down the page in the link.Ufo's the hard evidence.
Its all cockpit recordings.

dyer

it could also be an uncanny coincidence.. or just a case of seeing what we want to see. the blade of the helicopter might just be a line drawn to frame the symbols underneath, or a stone with a plank on top the bit under that again might be a symbol for a dwelling, a landscape or something.. who knows! if only we could ask the natives

New Zealand were latest in line to release classified UFO files in December, of which copies can be found here.

I came across some more information about the Rendlesham forest incident which i hadnt heard before.. basically the guy who touched the landed craft and sketched drawings of the symbols on it, got a flood of information after placing his hand on it which he later wrote out as 6 pages of binary code in his notebook .. here it is anyway, complete with OTT narration. The case itself is really interesting, you should read about it in the english national archives, or search youtube for rendlesham forest pretty sure theres a documentary or two floating around there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALdeoj-11Vo

gbee

http://casescorner.com/id16.html

Having been looking at this and seen some new stuff it puts a new reflection for me on the moon landings.

And we know Neil Armstrong has not been very forthcoming and is obviously hiding something, that leads some to suspect he never landed on the moon, now if the info is correct, we found UFOs on the moon, that, in my mind makes more sense.

We also know NASA had back up film and we are fairly satisfied that they used these, IMO, now I suspect it was to edit out the UFO's presence rather than a question of whether we landed or not.

dyer

well, youre free to read and believe whatever you want but, just dont go too far down the rabbit hole

its beyond reasonable doubt NASA edit their transmissions and photographs at this stage. i recommend you go watch 'nasa the smoking gun' if you havent seen it already.. a quick google should find you a stream somewhere.

gbee

dyer wrote: »

well, youre free to read and believe whatever you want but, just dont go too far down the rabbit hole

Why not, I hear there are female rabbits there, win, win!

maninasia

dyer wrote: »

considering there are probably billions of planets in the universe.. 500 is not even a grain of sand in the ocean compared to whats out there, so i think his "claim" is quite naiive to be honest. were lucky that earth lies in the so called golden circle orbiting the sun which allows mild enough conditions for life to evolve. his reasoning is kind of short sighted anyway.. perhaps life could have existed on that planet at some point.. just as the sun will eventually fry this planet to a crisp.

Oh-uh here come's the Goldilocks concept again . Our type of life could be rare and other types of life could be far more common. Also bacteria do not need 'just right' conditions to survive and prosper.

Also what a stunningly bad conclusion to make from 'looking at' (actually we can't even look at other planets yet let alone tell how many are around the stars that we know have some) a selection of 500 to the probably billions out there (as other poster noted).
It's like somebody landing on the moon and making a conclusion about life on Earth...in fact it is worse than that!

dyer

true, it might well just be a concept, but a scientifically sound one as far as our current understanding allows us to hypothesise. it stands to reason that a planet would need suitable conditions for complex life to evolve. its all well and good to discover bacteria but a far cry from discovering intelligent life. if this is the only planet in the entire universe with life on it, then it must have evolved here in isolation.. if thats possible, then theres no reason why it cant happen somewhere else, given the ideal conditions.

its a fascinating subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
In natural science, abiogenesis or biopoesis is the study of how life arises from inorganic matter through natural processes, and the method by which life on Earth arose. Most amino acids, often called "the building blocks of life", can form via natural chemical reactions unrelated to life, as demonstrated in the Miller–Urey experiment and similar experiments that involved simulating some of the conditions of the early Earth in a laboratory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrobiology
Astrobiology (or exobiology) is the study of the origin, evolution, distribution, and future of life in the universe.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070412-alien-planets.html
Researchers have developed a way to analyze the light emitted by a given planet's parent star and determine how that light interacts with various chemicals in the planet's atmosphere. This gives scientists an idea of the wavelengths, or colors, of light that reach the planet's surface.

On Earth, red light is most abundant, while blue light is most energetic, or useful to plants. So plants tend to absorb these colors and reflect the less useful green light, said Nancy Kiang, a biologist at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York.

But other stars may emit different wavelengths of light, and their planets may have different chemicals in their atmospheres, she explained. So the dominant colors reaching the surfaces of other planets may be unlike those on Earth.

This means that distant worlds could theoretically feature plants that are red, yellow, or blue.

maninasia

Bacteria are very complex single celled organisms. They also exist in a massive diversity both genetically and metabolically, far in excess of animals and plants. They interact together to change the environment and to create liveable environments. Where most people go wrong is they judge bacteria to be ...simple. They are not.
If you mean complex life as 'intelligent life' intelligence can be emergent from different ways. Very soon intelligent artificial life will exist. Surely intelligent artificial life would be more common than our type of intelligent life which is probably only a temporary prelude in evolution. Artificial intelligent 'robots' can exist happily in vacuum, transmit their inteligence infinitely, they will be immortal for all intents and purposes. They could also clone their intelligence very rapidly, not like us.

Amino acids are common in space as is water and hydrogen, free floating, not on planets. Our understanding of the universe is still extremely limited. We don't have a clue how life got started nor whether it came from outside or started on earth. We do know that all life on earth is related though.

Finally we only one of many intelligent animals on earth, it just happens that we have technological and social skills and we seem to be able to memorise and transmit information between ourselves better than other animals and also we have two very useful hands to build things.

Riamfada

If aliens were so prevalent in human prehistoric development why did they leave? Did Jesus run them off with a big stick?

gbee

Riamfada wrote: »

If aliens were so prevalent in human prehistoric development why did they leave? Did Jesus run them off with a big stick?

Well, if you know Virgin Birth story in Christianity, Jesus was one of them! So maybe you're right.

maninasia

And later he ascended into heaven. There's a lot of interesting stuff in the bible, speaking in tongues, glowing lights on their heads, burning bushes, moving stars in the sky and all that jazz

MrMojoRisin

Riamfada wrote: »

If aliens were so prevalent in human prehistoric development why did they leave? Did Jesus run them off with a big stick?

Lol.

caseyann

Apparently some interesting happenings going on over in Egypt even though there is a black out,Its been reported UFOs in the skies over Cairo.

http://www.huliq.com/10282/ufo-sightings-spawn-cometa-report-fear-world-crisis

Foreign exchange students at Eugene’s Lane Community College told local media today that while there’s a news blackout in Egypt. But, there’s also reports of UFOs. Moreover, there have been BBC and other international media confirmations; news of lights and UFO sightings in skies over this ancient land.


http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/cometa.htm
In 1999 an important document was published in France entitled, UFOs and Defense: What must we be prepared for? ("Les Ovni Et La Defense: A quoi doit-on se préparer?"). This ninety-page report is the result of an in-depth study of UFOs, covering many aspects of the subject, especially questions of national defense. The study was carried out over several years by an independent group of former "auditors" at the Institute of Advanced Studies for National Defense, or IHEDN, and by qualified experts from various fields. Before its public release, it has been sent to French President Jacques Chirac and to Prime Minister Lionel Jospin. The report is prefaced by General Bernard Norlain of the Air Force, former Director of IHEDN, and it begins with a preamble by André Lebeau, former President of the National Center for Space Studies (Centre National D’études Spatiales), or CNES, the French equivalent of NASA. The group itself, collective author of the report, is an association of experts, many of whom are or have been auditors of IHEDN, and it is presided over by General Denis Letty of the Air Force, former auditor (FA) of IHEDN.

murrayp4

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20110202/video/vwl-ufo-hovers-over-jerusalem-15af341.html

Voodu Child

murrayp4 wrote: »

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20110202/video/vwl-ufo-hovers-over-jerusalem-15af341.html

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Jerusalem_night_7088.JPG

Its a fairly half-assed hoax using the still picture above.

[Jackass]

Brain Stroking wrote: »

With all the technology each of us possess in today's world why is there never even one clear video of a UFO with perspective to other objects in its vicinity clear? That is my big problem. All videos i see could be feasibly created in your bedroom

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, or real or fake, but how about a UFO incident from January of this year, recorded by four independent witnesses, all from different angles? This was witnessed over Jerusalem on 27th January 2011...


Camera men one & two are beside eachother...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0lEqR1Oy3I

One & Two snycd

Video Three

Video Four

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAMT65z8oTI

Three of them snycd

Voodu Child

Youtube video:


Stock image of Jerusalem off Wikimedia (link above):


The others are fake also. Probably a viral campaign for iPad video-editing software :rolleyes:

Those videos are incredibly hard to call. If it was just one video it would be extremely easy to write it off as a fake, but for the fact that more and more videos are cropping up makes it seem plausible. Added to this the fact that the exact same objects were being reported in Utah the day before! The exact same flashing red lights and one descending light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X8AzsOZbkg

We are either witnessing the most elaborate hoax ever constructed or these videos are legitimate and those are actual UFOs.

Voodu Child

Deleted User wrote: »

We are either witnessing the most elaborate hoax ever

There's about 20 minutes work in the one I posted above.

Voodu Child

Voodu Child wrote: »

There's about 20 minutes work in the one I posted above.

So do it then. 20 minutes.

[Jackass]

Voodu Child wrote: »

Youtube video:


Stock image of Jerusalem off Wikimedia (link above):


The others are fake also. Probably a viral campaign for iPad video-editing software :rolleyes:

Yup, the picture matches up perfectly with the angle of the camera, even the same lights are on / off in the same buildings in the foreground, so unless this footage was taken on the exact same night from the exact same spot as the photograph was taken, then it's = confirmed fake.

Good post voodu child.

dyer

that video is most certainly fake.. all the lights are static and show no signs of fluctuation, when the ufo flies off at the end it looks like it was drawn with mspaint.. the other videos however, are harder to discredit. either way, whether these videos are real or not hardly refutes the experiences people are having all over the world.

ultain

[QUOTE=gbee;70318646 Virgin Birth story in Christianity, Jesus was one of them![/QUOTE]

Make a great flick!

murrayp4

http://www.space.com/10789-jerusalem-ufo-hoax.html

loldog

Apparently now it seems the aliens really were dropping something off

Baby found at Dome of the Rock

Probably the Mahdi, hopefully not the Antichrist.

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