Africa Day, Iveagh Gardens Dublin 16th May

nachoman

Anyone going to this, I attended it last year and I thought it was a great mix of music and different kinds of food.
Heres a link to the site.

http://www.africaday.ie/home.aspx

Nolanger

Will Bono be there?

orourkeda

When are we having a go back to Africa day?

Earthhorse

When are we going to have a go fuck yourself day?

LpPepper

My uncles band will be playing there , The Blue Thunder Band

nachoman

LpPepper wrote: »

My uncles band will be playing there , The Blue Thunder Band

goodstuff, i'll keep an eye out for them so.

Jay D

couple of us heading into this, never been and looking forward yo a mixture of food tbh

Orange69

If you don't go you are a fücking racist nazi bigot!

nachoman

Jay D wrote: »

couple of us heading into this, never been and looking forward yo a mixture of food tbh

Yeh, weather should be good.

orourkeda

Orange69 wrote: »

If you don't go you are a fücking racist nazi bigot!

I wont be going so.

joolsveer

Orange69 wrote: »

If you don't go you are a fücking racist nazi bigot!

What have Nazis to do with Africa?

Cavehill Red

Ye might as well go. Ye're paying for it, via the Dept of Foreign Affairs and other state bodies.
We don't have an America Day or an Asia Day or (God forbid) a Europe Day paid for by the state (to the tune of hundreds of thousands of euro, incidentally.)
The same state turned our national day, a religious feast day for Catholics and Anglicans, into a multiculti propaganda fest of 'New Irish' floats while banning any references to Christianity in the Dublin parade.
So go along, and celebrate the only culture our state agencies don't actively wish to destroy - the non-indigenous cultures of a far-off continent with little in common with Ireland, few historical connections relatively speaking, and slender achievements.

super_furry

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Ye might as well go. Ye're paying for it, via the Dept of Foreign Affairs and other state bodies.
We don't have an America Day or an Asia Day or (God forbid) a Europe Day paid for by the state (to the tune of hundreds of thousands of euro, incidentally.)
The same state turned our national day, a religious feast day for Catholics and Anglicans, into a multiculti propaganda fest of 'New Irish' floats while banning any references to Christianity in the Dublin parade.
So go along, and celebrate the only culture our state agencies don't actively wish to destroy - the non-indigenous cultures of a far-off continent with little in common with Ireland, few historical connections relatively speaking, and slender achievements.

Yeah, but on the plus side, the tunes are good.

nachoman

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Ye might as well go. Ye're paying for it, via the Dept of Foreign Affairs and other state bodies.
We don't have an America Day or an Asia Day or (God forbid) a Europe Day paid for by the state (to the tune of hundreds of thousands of euro, incidentally.)
The same state turned our national day, a religious feast day for Catholics and Anglicans, into a multiculti propaganda fest of 'New Irish' floats while banning any references to Christianity in the Dublin parade.
So go along, and celebrate the only culture our state agencies don't actively wish to destroy - the non-indigenous cultures of a far-off continent with little in common with Ireland, few historical connections relatively speaking, and slender achievements.

ehh, they have some nice food stalls set up..

Cavehill Red

Don't get me wrong. It's a good day out, just like the Dun Laoghaire multicult festival later in the Summer is.
They both should be. We pay enough for them.

MagicMarker

orourkeda wrote: »

When are we having a go back to Africa day?

Ooooh, controversial!

bnt

MagicMarker wrote: »

Ooooh, controversial!

Not really. Expand your epoch a little. :pac:

orourkeda

bnt wrote: »

Not really. Expand your epoch a little. :pac:

That makes no sense to me. Isn't an Epoch a period of time

epgc3fyqirnbsx

LpPepper wrote: »

My uncles band will be playing there , The Blue Thunder Band

Blue Thunder is a chipper

orourkeda

Eileen Curved Scorecard wrote: »

Blue Thunder is a chipper

And a helicopter.

orourkeda

Nolanger wrote: »

Will Bono be there?

He'll be filing his tax returns.

Nodin

orourkeda wrote: »

When are we having a go back to Africa day?

We won't, and the fact that may piss certain parties off pleases me greatly.

Cavehill red wrote:

Ye might as well go. (.......)achievements.

Do you disgruntled racist types c&p your whines from some central site?

O, and I'd like a source for that crap about "banning any references to Christianity in the Dublin parade." btw.

CreepingDeath

Will the Nigerian scammers have a stall there ?

orourkeda

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Will the Nigerian scammers have a stall there ?

Right beside the somalian pirates stall

orourkeda

Nodin wrote: »

We won't, and the fact that may piss certain parties off pleases me greatly.

Do you disgruntled racist types c&p your whines from some central site?

O, and I'd like a source for that crap about "banning any references to Christianity in the Dublin parade." btw.

No.

Cavehill Red

Oh, look, the racist card.
What a surprise.
Let's play, so. Firstly, you tell me how I'm racist for highlighting that we pay for a festival celebrating a distant continent with little links to this country when we do not for our own continent.
Then you can link to where you think I cut and pasted my post from (clue: I didn't.)
Finally, I'll happily let you know that on the Saturday before St Patrick's Day in 2009, a priest called into the Orla Barry radio show (which was hosting the organiser of the 'St Patrick's Festival' in Dublin) to complain that they had told him no float could bear religious iconography in the Dublin parade.
The organiser confirmed this, described what he called 'Christian themes' as being inappropriate and then went on to confirm that instead there would be a 'city fusion' float representing a dozen religions instead.
I'd love to link to it for you, but not everything's on the interwebs. I do have that discussion on tape though, because I couldn't believe what I was hearing and started recording it.

MagicMarker

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Finally, I'll happily let you know that on the Saturday before St Patrick's Day in 2009, a priest called into the Orla Barry radio show (which was hosting the organiser of the 'St Patrick's Festival' in Dublin) to complain that they had told him no float could bear religious iconography in the Dublin parade.
The organiser confirmed this, described what he called 'Christian themes' as being inappropriate and then went on to confirm that instead there would be a 'city fusion' float representing a dozen religions instead.
I'd love to link to it for you, but not everything's on the interwebs. I do have that discussion on tape though, because I couldn't believe what I was hearing and started recording it.

What's wrong with that? Personally, I think all religion should fúck right off.

starbelgrade

orourkeda wrote: »

When are we having a go back to Africa day?

Do you not have a taxi to drive?

orourkeda

MagicMarker wrote: »

What's wrong with that? Personally, I think all religion should fúck right off.

Why can anyone who expresses a religious belief f*ck off?

If you believe this to be true why is racism such a touchy subject

Cavehill Red

MagicMarker wrote: »

What's wrong with that? Personally, I think all religion should fúck right off.

It's a religious festival is what's wrong with that.
I speak as an ardent atheist when I say that the state has no right to bar references to Christianity in the St Patrick's Day parade, because it's not their parade - it belongs to the Irish people, who celebrate it in commemoration of the national saint, in keeping with a lengthy tradition.
Even worse is to do so hypocritically, by banning Christian references but then putting a float of all sorts of other religions up O'Connell Street.

orourkeda

starbelgrade wrote: »

Do you not have a taxi to drive?

You anti racism people wouldn't propagate sterotypes or fuel myths would you?

It's a rather foolish thing to say when one considers that you dont know the first thing about me. Practice what you preach. I presume you are preaching something.

Nodin

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Oh, look, the racist card.
What a surprise.
Let's play, so. Firstly, you tell me how I'm racist for highlighting that we pay for a festival celebrating a distant continent with little links to this country when we do not for our own continent..

....the sweeping generalisations re Africans, for starters.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Then you can (.....)recording it.

If theres St Patrick represented, thats a "christian theme". If theres a float with a dozen religons on it including some christians, thats some "christian theme" there too.

MagicMarker

Cavehill Red wrote: »

It's a religious festival is what's wrong with that.
I speak as an ardent atheist when I say that the state has no right to bar references to Christianity in the St Patrick's Day parade, because it's not their parade - it belongs to the Irish people, who celebrate it in commemoration of the national saint, in keeping with a lengthy tradition.
Even worse is to do so hypocritically, by banning Christian references but then putting a float of all sorts of other religions up O'Connell Street.

It's as religious as christmas tbh, as in, not religious at all.

biko

orourkeda wrote: »

When are we having a go back to Africa day?

Banned

Cavehill Red

Nodin wrote: »

....the sweeping generalisations re Africans, for starters.

I haven't mentioned Africans at all. Care to try again?

Nodin wrote: »

If theres St Patrick represented, thats a "christian theme". If theres a float with a dozen religons on it including some christians, thats some "christian theme" there too.

I've no evidence that any Christians WERE on the 'city fusion' float. Have you?
And just as Jesus in 'South Park' is not a Christian theme nor is some punter in an anachronistic mitre waving a rubber snake about at drunk people in O'Connell Street.
I couldn't care less about the Catholic Church or any other, but it renders the national feast day meaningless to seek to strip it of it's traditions and heritage which are indisputably rooted in Irish Catholicism.
To seek to bar them from the parade in which they should be central is shameful, in my opinion. But no less shameful than a government borrowing money at 6% on our behalf to throw a party to celebrate a distant continent with little connection to us.

Nodin

Cavehill Red wrote: »

It's a religious festival is what's wrong with that.
I speak as an ardent atheist when I say that the state has no right to bar references to Christianity in the St Patrick's Day parade, because it's not their parade - it belongs to the Irish people, who celebrate it in commemoration of the national saint, in keeping with a lengthy tradition.
Even worse is to do so hypocritically, by banning Christian references but then putting a float of all sorts of other religions up O'Connell Street.

St patrick = christian reference
float with all different religons = more than likely christian references

starbelgrade

orourkeda wrote: »

You anti racism people wouldn't propagate sterotypes or fuel myths would you?

It's a rather foolish thing to say when one considers that you dont know the first thing about me. Practice what you preach. I presume you are preaching something.

All I know about you is what you have posted on boards & none of it suggests to me that you are a the kind of person who I would like to spend any time with.

And I certainly have no time for racists or bigots.

rovert

The liberal do-gooders finally beat orourkeda

Cavehill Red

Nodin wrote: »

St patrick = christian reference

No, it isn't. See my previous post for why.

Nodin wrote: »

float with all different religons = more than likely christian references

Was there or wasn't there? I don't know and I doubt you do either. And in any case, seeking to create equivalence of religions in a feast day celebrated by one and not the others is a nonsense.
I don't doubt there are plenty of people happy to see the erosion of all that is unique and indigenous about Ireland. The state is central to that, and their multicult propaganda is no less evident when they blow fortunes on parties for Africa than when they seek to turn St Patrick's Day into a multicult Arirang.

ejmaztec

Cavehill Red wrote: »

borrowing money at 6% on our behalf to throw a party to celebrate a distant continent with little connection to us.

Nothing like international peace, friendship and harmony, is there?

Nodin

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I haven't mentioned Africans at all. Care to try again?.

So go along, and celebrate the only culture our state agencies don't actively wish to destroy - the non-indigenous cultures of a far-off continent with little in common with Ireland, few historical connections relatively speaking, and slender achievements.

You weren't talking about the Finns there.

non-indigenous

That term is all the rage with some people these days.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I've no evidence that any Christians WERE on the 'city fusion' float. Have you??.

According to your own account of the conversation via the organiser and the priest, the clear implication was that their would be "religious iconography" on the float.

starbelgrade

rovert wrote: »

The liberal do-gooders finally beat orourkeda

Oh yeah - it's someone else's fault that he is a racist.

Nodin

rovert wrote: »

The liberal do-gooders finally beat orourkeda

I think it fairer to say that he beat himself.

Nodin

starbelgrade wrote: »

Oh yeah - it's someone else's fault that he is a racist.

....probably some African.

Cavehill Red

Nodin wrote: »

You weren't talking about the Finns there.

I wasn't talking about Africans either. It's Africa Day, not Africans Day, after all.
Was there something about that quote of mine that you find to be inaccurate?

Nodin wrote: »

That term is all the rage with some people these days.

As is calling people racist because they'd like to see more fiscal responsibility and less multicult posturing from our morally bankrupt government.

Nodin wrote: »

According to your own account of the conversation via the organiser and the priest, the clear implication was that their would be "religious iconography" on the float.

Nope. According to my account and the tape, Donal Shiels, the festival organiser said that religions would be represented on the float by people.
Here's his actual quote for you: "There will be a float entitled 'City Fusion' in the parade, celebrating 20 different nationalities and 14 different religions will be represented on that."
I take from that that it's the different nationalities were being 'celebrated' whereas their mere presence meant that religions were 'represented.'
Which of course raises the question about why they were celebrating other nationalities during the Irish national feast day.
Let's cut to the chase here - why are we paying for an Africa Day and not an Ireland Day or a Europe Day?

nachoman

Nodin wrote: »

I think it fairer to say that he beat himself.

Ooarwh Matron!

rovert

Nodin wrote: »

I think it fairer to say that he beat himself.

That is one way to bring back corporal punishment.

southsiderosie

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Ye might as well go. Ye're paying for it, via the Dept of Foreign Affairs and other state bodies.
We don't have an America Day or an Asia Day or (God forbid) a Europe Day paid for by the state (to the tune of hundreds of thousands of euro, incidentally.)
The same state turned our national day, a religious feast day for Catholics and Anglicans, into a multiculti propaganda fest of 'New Irish' floats while banning any references to Christianity in the Dublin parade.
So go along, and celebrate the only culture our state agencies don't actively wish to destroy - the non-indigenous cultures of a far-off continent with little in common with Ireland, few historical connections relatively speaking, and slender achievements.

Actually, the Arts Council - which is publicly funded - supports a variety of cultural events for and with other countries and regions; the Franco-Irish Literary Festival immediately comes to mind. The government also quite generously funds a number of American artists and scholars to come to Ireland every year for several months, and finish their time with multiple public exhibitions of their work. Dublin City Council sponsors a number of cultural events, including Chinese New Years celebrations. I'm not sure what it is you're complaining about; all of these events are open to the public, not just specific ethnic groups. Frankly I think it's nice to have free cultural events in Dublin; most other "global" cities (cough, cough) have loads of these types of festivals and such, especially during the summer months.

That said, this funding pales in comparison to what the government pays to support Irish culture - language, artists, theater, etc.

I will agree that the St Patrick's Day parade in Dublin is lame. Unfortunately, I don't think adding religious symbols will save it. :P

biko

I'd probably go if I was over there, African food is fantastic.

Cavehill Red

southsiderosie wrote: »

Actually, the Arts Council - which is publicly funded....

Forgive me for stopping you there. That's a problem in itself. Shakespeare didn't require a government grant. Pace the 'National Campaign for the Arts' but they have to take their cuts like everyone else.
And I suspect people would rather keep hospitals and schools open than pay for the fat faces in Aosdana, visiting American sculptors, or the multicult festivals.
As I recall, the Chinese had no problem celebrating their new year for many years without state aid.

southsiderosie wrote: »

I will agree that the St Patrick's Day parade in Dublin is lame. Unfortunately, I don't think adding religious symbols will save it. :P

Whereas a 'City Fusion' float...?

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